Wicked

[Woody]

Thanks Frankie and Mathew, Wicked is coming to Virginia!!

[Woody]

:)

[sellsman11]

Congratulations Lin!! Send engine pics when you have time.:sifone:

[Woody]

Thanks Frankie. Cleaned up the Cig and took some new pictures. I'll e-mail when I get to work in the AM....

[Trim'd Up]

Beautiful boat for sure, but that Frankie guy is a little questionable. ;)

[Offshoredrillin]

congrats Lin.:)

[sellsman11]

Beautiful boat for sure, but that Frankie guy is a little questionable. ;)



I want my Sushi back!:sifone:

[sellsman11]

Thanks Frankie. Cleaned up the Cig and took some new pictures. I'll e-mail when I get to work in the AM....



Got the pics. Thanks! Fill up the Cig and we are in business!:sifone:

[Team Tsunami]

Congrats on the MTI!! Its a great looking boat and youll love the cat!! Frankie, I see a rather nice 39 Outerlimits in the background there........hook a brutha up!!:D:D

[Woody]

Got the pics. Thanks! Fill up the Cig and we are in business!:sifone:

Is it full w/good gas and stabilizer, I expect the MTI to be full too!!

I'm afraid to axe about the Sushi:ack2:

[Wild]

congrats, awsome boat

[Trim'd Up]

I want my Sushi back!:sifone:

I put the leftovers in the front starboard compartment of "Wicked". You didn't get them out?:rofl:

[Woody]

I put the leftovers in the front starboard compartment of "Wicked". You didn't get them out?:rofl:

Some things you just don't joke about:boxing_smiley:

[Wild]

saw it again friday night, on of my favorite paint jobs , when do you take delivery

[Woody]

Thanks. Showed up last night:sifone:

[MarylandMark]

I wouldn't have been able to sleep! Awesome!!

[Wild]

Thanks. Showed up last night:sifone:

so are you posting from the water on your phone or what

[t500hps]

so are you posting from the water on your phone or what

I bet he's not......although 50 degeees is manageable, it's raining cats and dogs here today! :(

[schnydo]

Is that a 850 boat ?

[Woody]

Is that a 850 boat ?

Yep...

[Sea-Dated]

Beautiful.... Congrats!!!!!!

[Tantrum]

Very nice, like the paint alot
Congrats!

What gear ratio's and props are you running?

[Spine Tingler]

Congratulations Woody!

[Woody]

Thanks all....Christmas came early 'round here

[Sean H]

Very nice, like the paint alot
Congrats!

What gear ratio's and props are you running?

spinnin' in, one inch spacers, 1.35's and 39's it ran 149 before it was traded in.

[Woody]

What gear ratio's and props are you running?

1.35 17 x 39's

[schnydo]

Nice

[Tantrum]

1.35 17 x 39's

Are you on the rev limiters?
We are spinning 38's but want to try 40 or 41's. Little worried about getting up on plane with no ventilation but the 38's hit the rev limiters at will. Will still keep the 38's for rough water and heavy loads.

[Tantrum]

spinnin' in, one inch spacers, 1.35's and 39's it ran 149 before it was traded in.

Sean
Do you know what the X Dimension was before spacers? 149 is a big number.
Chris

[sellsman11]

Sean
Do you know what the X Dimension was before spacers? 149 is a big number.
Chris

If you looked up "maintained with an open checkbook" in the dictionary, you would find a picture of Lin's MTI. The X is a standard factory setup. The hull was tweaked. Thats about it. 149 is a real number.

[sellsman11]

Are you on the rev limiters?
We are spinning 38's but want to try 40 or 41's. Little worried about getting up on plane with no ventilation but the 38's hit the rev limiters at will. Will still keep the 38's for rough water and heavy loads.



One word for you Tantrum.....FORGED!;)

[Spicy]

Beautiful MTI......

Congrats....

[Woody]

Finally tucked away in the garage. Tight squeeze but it fits....:) Now I can sleep again.

[glh]

Sweet ride Congrats and welcome to the gang!

[Tantrum]

If you looked up "maintained with an open checkbook" in the dictionary, you would find a picture of Lin's MTI. The X is a standard factory setup. The hull was tweaked. Thats about it. 149 is a real number.

So are you saying the 1 inch spacer works w/ the stock X or does it compliment the "tweaked" hull.
149 is a huge number to run in the shootout with stock 850's.
Just trying to get some ideas before the money is spent on a second set of props.
Goal is to have a smaller set for rough water / boat full of people and a taller set for some of the faster poker runs and top and when GL is around :driving:

[Let 'Er Rip Cig]

sha...wing

[Sean H]

So are you saying the 1 inch spacer works w/ the stock X or does it compliment the "tweaked" hull.
149 is a huge number to run in the shootout with stock 850's.
Just trying to get some ideas before the money is spent on a second set of props.
Goal is to have a smaller set for rough water / boat full of people and a taller set for some of the faster poker runs and top and when GL is around :driving:

149 isn't a shootout number, I believe he was in the 130's, but everyday boating it would run 149. That 39/40 doesn't pull the hardest in a 1 mile drag race.

Now, when it had the 1200 race engines in it.... :ack2:

[Team Tsunami]

Tantrum,

Which MTI do you have??

[glh]

...and when GL is around :driving:"Now go get yourself an F650 and we'll see how you do in a crowd." -Rowdy Burns

:D:D:D

[glh]

...and when GL is around :driving:Here you go Chris... :D:D:D

http://www.flpowerboat.com/new/word/FPC_2010_Winter_Rally.doc

http://www.seriousoffshore.com/forums/showthread.php?p=378146

[WeaponX]

149 isn't a shootout number, I believe he was in the 130's, but everyday boating it would run 149. That 39/40 doesn't pull the hardest in a 1 mile drag race.

Now, when it had the 1200 race engines in it.... :ack2:

lower to mid 120's I think Greg ran 131 or so running around 80 at the start last year in his 850 boat.

[glh]

Turning a 1.35 ratio 17x39 prop with 850 horses to 149 gives it about 6% slip at 5800 rpm.
http://www.go-fast.com/Prop_Slip_Calculator.htm

That is a lot of prop for 850 horses are you guys sure no 14 year old computer wiz plugged his X-Box in the brain box of those mills?

Tantrum what speed are you getting bumping the limiter with your rig?

I am turning 36's with the same ratio and was getting about 136 with my old mills that are roughly around 850's but was not getting to my redline, props were too tall. Granted my rig is older and not carbon-fiber but my guess with the sparsness of amenities, seats, sound system, jacks for hatches and so forth... the weight cannot be to different.

Is it a 39 or a 42?

Sean H?

[glh]

As a reference here is text of a 42 with 1075's tested by Tomlinson and Teague;

"Neither test driver could find a long enough stretch of water without significant crosswinds to run the 42 Race/Pleasure to its true top speed. With its 1,075-horsepower engines turning 5,850 rpm, the catamaran topped out at 146.3 mph. Both drivers believed that under better conditions the cat would top 150 mph."

It is also pushing 39"'s and the numbers check out for a 1.35 ratio with 6% slip.
"Tall 39"-pitch five-blade Hering propellers might have cost the boat a tick or two in the standing-start acceleration department, but it still managed to reach plane in 6.7 seconds."

This boat with 450hp less does 149? That is awesome bottom work.

http://www.powerboatmag.com/mti-42-race/pleasure.html

http://www.powerboatmag.com/images/stories/boattests/may09_mtiA.jpg

[glh]

Powerboat tested Hammertime / 44' also and turning 38" at 6100 rpm with 1075's they got 150 mph. mentioned to be 9500#.

http://www.powerboatmag.com/video-review-mti-44.html

[44MTI]

Powerboat tested Hammertime / 44' also and turning 38" at 6100 rpm with 1075's they got 150 mph. mentioned to be 9500#.

http://www.powerboatmag.com/video-review-mti-44.html

Don't believe everything in Powerboat, they tend to miss a few details. My boat weights closer to 10K or just over. Computers have never seen 6100, smart craft usually kicks in about 5950 or so. Randy ran it 153 in testing, I only got 150ish with inboard rotation.
Since they are running 1in spacers in this 39, I would assume they are turning outboard. :driving:
Catagious has 1.29 gears, which is the standard set up for a 1075 MTI. Slip is going to be closer to 10% with inboard rotation. The 39 was probably a little to tall.

[glh]

Don't believe everything in Powerboat, they tend to miss a few details. My boat weights closer to 10K or just over. Computers have never seen 6100, smart craft usually kicks in about 5950 or so. Randy ran it 153 in testing, I only got 150ish with inboard rotation.
Since they are running 1in spacers in this 39, I would assume they are turning outboard. :driving:
Catagious has 1.29 gears, which is the standard set up for a 1075 MTI. Slip is going to be closer to 10% with inboard rotation. The 39 was probably a little to tall.Micheal even if it's a 39, 450 horses is a lot to make up it's easy enough to rebuild 850's to 1075 specs those numbers and the prop they are pushing looks more like it.

[44MTI]

Micheal even if it's a 39, 450 horses is a lot to make up it's easy enough to rebuild 850's to 1075 specs those numbers and the prop they are pushing looks more like it.

I know what your saying big daddy. Actually all you need are the computers to get the 1075hp. Also Forged Props will make a huge difference as well as outboard rotation.

[PBAM22]

[QUOTE=44MTI;378411] the computers to get the 1075hp.
:ack2::willy_nilly::huh::bday2:

[glh]

Finally tucked away in the garage. Tight squeeze but it fits....:) Now I can sleep again.Woody you have loads of space we have to shoehorn mine in!

[Sean H]

Micheal even if it's a 39, 450 horses is a lot to make up it's easy enough to rebuild 850's to 1075 specs those numbers and the prop they are pushing looks more like it.

those 850's were never touched, they ran a good ecu for a poker run, but other than that they are perfectly stock. they are even the older style pulley system 850's.

but never needed outboard rotation, it is a pleasure boat.

5800/1.35/39 = 149 everyday in that boat.

the race 850's are pushing 146 at 11K pounds with a 1.35/36 restriction at 6k rpm... wicked probably only weighs around 9k +/-.

Like MC said, most of it is in the props and setup, You dont need 1000 HP to run fast in these boats. Remeber, CRC went over 160 with 750's.

bottom line, get a good set of props matched for your boat.

[MarylandMark]

the race 850's are pushing 146 at 11K pounds with a 1.35/36 restriction at 6k rpm... wicked probably only weighs around 9k +/-.


I would think pleasure boats would weigh more than race boats?

[Sean H]

the new Wicked is a 42 with 1000's, runs over 160.... getting a set of Merc 1200's right now slipped in it, probably going to be a little faster, should know in a week or two.

[Sean H]

I would think pleasure boats would weigh more than race boats?

they added weight to the 850 minimum in hopes of slowing them down (try to keep them around 750 speeds), they later found out, the extra weight actually kept the boats off the limiter since they are restricted to a 36 prop...

most 850 race boats probably weigh around 9k-9200 with no fuel or ballast in them. Start the race at around 11k in order to finish above the 10k minimum. The boat doesn't gain any speed during the race, just acceleration as it burns fuel off.

remember, a 4 seat MTI is a race boat with the lid cut off... add a stereo and its a pleasure boat.

[Woody]

the new Wicked is a 42 with 1000's, runs over 160.... getting a set of Merc 1200's right now slipped in it, probably going to be a little faster, should know in a week or two.

:sifone:

[Woody]

Woody you have loads of space we have to shoehorn mine in!

Shoehorned:rolleyes: I see all that room....could probably slide mine in next to it:bump:

[44MTI]

but never needed outboard rotation, it is a pleasure boat.

5800/1.35/39 = 149 everyday in that boat.



That's 6% slip. Pretty impressive for INBOARD rotation at 149.:confused::confused:

[MarylandMark]

Thanks Sean.

I'm sure this is a stupid question but..

If a boat is heavier, once it over comes that- would the air pack denser in the hull providing a steadier lift (for lack of a better term), which keeps the hull in the air vs say hopping a little where on the downward part of the hop more of the boat gets wetted which would slow it down?

I'll go sit in the corner now

[glh]

Shoehorned:rolleyes: I see all that room....could probably slide mine in next to it:bump:Yahh but the Merc and the Audi are not in yet!

[glh]

That's 6% slip. Pretty impressive for INBOARD rotation at 149.:confused::confused:I am getting 6% with the numbers I am running with DOI on the two calculator I know. This with both set of props i have.

http://www.go-fast.com/Prop_Slip_Calculator.htm

http://www.heringpropellers.com/hering-propeller-slip.php

[44MTI]

I use the Bam site also.
6% is really low. I haven't heard of anyone else getting that low with inboard.
What are you running GL.

[Sean H]

I know the 850 race boats run 5-6 in and 3-4 out... I think its easier to get the slip down with less HP than it is more.

you are also not going to get down to those numbers with 20* or probably even 18*.

[glh]

I use the Bam site also.
6% is really low. I haven't heard of anyone else getting that low with inboard.
What are you running GL.Micheal ,

I was running two sets of props this summer and here are the observation I saw;
Always turning in,
Ratio 1.35
Small set are 16 3/4" 18* 32" Herings
Big Set 16 3/4" 18* 36" Throttle Up (those I was not able to get to max RPM of 6200, they are too big for my dynoed 850HP motors) which is where stems my amazment at the numbers on this cat pushing 39"'s at 149 mph

Small set #
I have run that set at 6000 RPM at 126.7 MPH giving a 6% slip according to both sites
Bigger set #

Top end I pushed those with the 850's around 136mph at about 5700 to 5800 RPM also giving around 6% slip.

The most fixed number I have on those is cruising around 4200RPM at 100-105 MPH which is also around 6%. Those shafts you guys are running must have very different prop dynamics because looking at Delo's video the speed to RPM numbers I see when he stablises at certain RPM's (not in acceleration) is very different then what I see. Also weight of the boat might be very different. Your rudder boats although in Carbon Fiber mine fiberglass I suspect are a lot heavier than my rig. mine is only 42 yours are 44's and that rear assembly for the rudder has to be sturdy as all hell thus somewhat heavy. My guess is my rig with only two seats, no stereo no carpets or any form of bling might be no more than 8500# to 9000# that would affect slip also.

Very interesting talking about this.

I wonder what slip numbers Brandon and those guys are running (that would have to entail getting a straight answer from Skater Nation which I assume is near to impossible!!! :D)....

[glh]

I know the 850 race boats run 5-6 in and 3-4 out... I think its easier to get the slip down with less HP than it is more.I would have to agree with that...

Also I think that the more you move bigger than 36" the more the props lose efficiency slipwise. I know the same thing use to happen with Bravo props when you got bigger than labbed 32".

And you corn-fed midwesterners are turning some major league wheels!!!!


But keep showing us how to do it;

http://www.motivationalz.com/pictures/this_is_how.jpg

[Sean H]

we pushed a 36 to 6600 with the 850's at 156 (inboard), also ran a set of 38.5 with the stock ecu at 6k to 156 (outboard)

with those basically same throttle up 36's (a little less diameter and I dont know if yours are progressive pitch or not), the DW runs 145 on the 6k limiters, 3 something slip.

gl, you'd be surprise what that boat may weigh, it was over 9k with 750's back in the day.

shaft boats will always have more slip that a six boat as well.... just a fact of life.

[glh]

Sean I know exactlly how much my boat weight and it is not over 9000 pounds.

And I am obviously missing something if your pushing a 36 foot boat with 850`s at 156 mph. What I see with that is that the same boat with 1075`s or 1200`s must be going 200mph where are those boats? Where are the videos?

I hate armchair QB's here with no harware quoting other people's acheivements but dude I have one of those rigs, it might not be the newest but it has held it's own in the **** before. And I have run the **** out of it in the last year. If a 36` with 850`s goes 156 mph knock on Delo`s door and wake him up fast cause he barely gets 5 mph faster with 700HP more, he`s getting royaly f`ed.

I usually take people to there word here, so call me an idiot but I will have to see proof of purchase on that 156 with 850`s stuff. The only thing that is 850 on a boat going that fast is the sticker on the flame arrestor.

[DAREDEVIL]

i would have to agree with that...

Also i think that the more you move bigger than 36" the more the props lose efficiency slipwise. I know the same thing use to happen with bravo props when you got bigger than labbed 32".

And you corn-fed midwesterners are turning some major league wheels!!!!


But keep showing us how to do it;

http://www.motivationalz.com/pictures/this_is_how.jpg


be nice and post more of them !!!!!!!:usa:

[Sean H]

Sean I know exactlly how much my boat weight and it is not over 9000 pounds.

And I am obviously missing something if your pushing a 36 foot boat with 850`s at 156 mph. What I see with that is that the same boat with 1075`s or 1200`s must be going 200mph where are those boats? Where are the videos?

I hate armchair QB's here with no harware quoting other people's acheivements but dude I have one of those rigs, it might not be the newest but it has held it's own in the **** before. And I have run the **** out of it in the last year. If a 36` with 850`s goes 156 mph knock on Delo`s door and wake him up fast cause he barely gets 5 mph faster with 700HP more, he`s getting royaly f`ed.

I usually take people to there word here, so call me an idiot but I will have to see proof of purchase on that 156 with 850`s stuff. The only thing that is 850 on a boat going that fast is the sticker on the flame arrestor.

so you don't think CRC went 160+ in the kilo with 750's (as did CMS)? (they did)

you don't think an 850 boat would be equally as fast? (they are)

[Sean H]

you don't think C1 boats are going over 170 with 927 HP? (they are)

there are a couple of Mercury 850 (welmax mti) boats in there (with air restrictors)

CLASS 1 EDOX SPEED RUN – results 1. Fazza 3 - A Al Zafeen (UAE)/N Bin Hendi (UAE) 13.025s - 171.78mph/276.39kph 2. Welmax 90 – K Selmer (NOR)/J Tandberg (NOR) 13.142s - 170.25mph/273.93kph 3. Qatar 96 - H Al-Thani (QAT)/S Curtis (GBR) 14.205 - 157.51mph/253.43kph 4. Victory 1 - M Al Mehairi (UAE)/JM Sanchez (FRA) 14.428s – 155.07mph/249.51kph 5. Foresti & Suardi - Roscioli Hotels 8 – G Soave (ITA)/G Montavoci (ITA) 15.196s – 147.23mph/236.40kph

[glh]

so you don't think CRC went 160+ in the kilo with 750's (as did CMS)? (they did)

you don't think an 850 boat would be equally as fast? (they are)I am positive those boats did those speeds, but 750's??? We are now at 160mph with 750's Sean, we started at 149m with 850's... A couple more pages of this and Ken Warby better start shaking in his Aussie boots for any MTI with 525's. Remember we were not talking about full fledge paperthin race machines here.

Find me a person that owns one of those boats that does 160mph with 750hp motors and I will pay right after the run to remove that engine and have it dynoed right then and there. And if it Dyno's under 750HP per mills I will give $5k for Autism Research on top of it, and eat crow (I'll cook it however :D). If not you give the $5k and I will still pay for the removal and Dyno.

I don't know nearly as much as you do but I know after I asked "How is this 750HP class verified?" I was told by two owners I know that it's with the honor system, that was enough for me and consistent with the stability of Offshore Racing and their sanctioning bodies these days...

In the interim I remain your unadulterated servant Sean, all in fun Sean don't go female ehhh! sorry nuts on me and break my windows with a 5 iron!!! :D

GL

[glh]

be nice and post more of them !!!!!!!:usa:Here's a couple more to motivate you...

What me and Sean are seeking;
http://www.motivationalz.com/pictures/the_truth144.jpg


What Skater Nation feel when an MTI is coming.... (Like WHM with CMS in the hunt)
http://www.motivationalz.com/pictures/fear.jpg

What Skaters have to do when we catch up to them. :D ;
http://www.motivationalz.com/pictures/step_aside.jpg

What we need to spend per forged props to get to 160mph;
http://www.motivationalz.com/pictures/guess15.jpg

All the trolls hang out with this guy over there...
http://www.motivationalz.com/pictures/grenades.jpg

OK got to go home now my wife is...
http://www.motivationalz.com/pictures/baking.jpg


We aim to please!

GL

[Sean H]

those 750's probably dyno'd around 825 or so, and 4 or 5 years ago when CRC set that kilo record, yes, they were pulling heads and checking compression at every race.

when CMS did it down in Tenn., I don't know if they were inspecting them or not. Probably not.

today they don't inspect to much, not enough boats to worry about it really.

and I was wrong about the 156, it was 157. :sifone:

We will be putting the engines back in the boat sometime in Feb, maybe we will put in a camera and do a 160 just for you GL.

as far as getting this thread back on track, I am sure that Woody will let everybody know if Wicked isn't as fast as everybody says it is. Of course, Frankie will be in more trouble, he sold it to him. :smash:

[Spine Tingler]

those 750's probably dyno'd around 825 or so, and 4 or 5 years ago when CRC set that kilo record, yes, they were pulling heads and checking compression at every race.

when CMS did it down in Tenn., I don't know if they were inspecting them or not. Probably not.

today they don't inspect to much, not enough boats to worry about it really.

and I was wrong about the 156, it was 157. :sifone:

We will be putting the engines back in the boat sometime in Feb, maybe we will put in a camera and do a 160 just for you GL.

as far as getting this thread back on track, I am sure that Woody will let everybody know if Wicked isn't as fast as everybody says it is. Of course, Frankie will be in more trouble, he sold it to him. :smash:
:iamwithstupid:

[sellsman11]

those 750's probably dyno'd around 825 or so, and 4 or 5 years ago when CRC set that kilo record, yes, they were pulling heads and checking compression at every race.

when CMS did it down in Tenn., I don't know if they were inspecting them or not. Probably not.

today they don't inspect to much, not enough boats to worry about it really.

and I was wrong about the 156, it was 157. :sifone:

We will be putting the engines back in the boat sometime in Feb, maybe we will put in a camera and do a 160 just for you GL.

as far as getting this thread back on track, I am sure that Woody will let everybody know if Wicked isn't as fast as everybody says it is. Of course, Frankie will be in more trouble, he sold it to him. :smash:


Whoa...Whoa....Whoa!!! Leave me out of this!!:sifone::sifone:

[Sean H]

Whoa...Whoa....Whoa!!! Leave me out of this!!:sifone::sifone:

okay, how about Matthew? :bump:

[Woody]

Full money back guarantee in writing (now what did I do with that piece of paper?):cheers2:
but in all fairness, Frankie only promised 146, I figured he had the 6 upside down

We'll see come spring....

[glh]

..and I was wrong about the 156, it was 157. :sifone:
Well there you go clouding the issue with facts again!
http://www.limestonedev.com/images/boat/laughing.gif

[glh]

Full money back guarantee in writing (now what did I do with that piece of paper?):cheers2:
but in all fairness, Frankie only promised 146, I figured he had the 6 upside down

We'll see come spring....Seems only fair!!!!:iagree: :D