If there's one thing I've noticed, its that photo's dont really tell the whole story. There's the pic of that Apache going vert. I remember the guy saying the landing wasn't that bad at all. There's also the pic of Aronow going vert in that black and white photo years ago (and the one of the single step Cig as well, both pics were used for advertisements). There's video of that pic too, landing wasn't as bad as the air looked. I have a picture of our boat getting pretty vertical. To look at the pic, you'd think it was a gnarly landing, when in fact it was barely noticable while we were running (there's video of it too).