Joe Gibbs Oil

[rotax454]

nothing against gibbs, but i doubt he produces the oil, he's just repackaging some one elses stuff with his name on it, so why pay for bush to drive a toyota and act like an a-hole?

plus the only way to know if there's a benefit is to send your oil out and do an oil analyisis

You are correct and incorrect.
JGR has a manufacturer produce their oil to their specifications. It is called "private manufacturing-labeling". I also have discussed the JGR oils with several professional engine builders and all have said the same thing, JGR designed the contents of which the oil is to be packaged. This after many motors losing valves and springs. Remember those days of 7500 rpm NASCAR motors--------gone. So did the valvetrain reliability when the rpm's increased.

Correct when you write about the benefits of oil analysis. The results that you get back tell you what is going on with your internal components.

Side note: Hope that NASCAR never allows EFI. Why? Look at many race bodies that allow EFI and have RPM limits. Let'um rev baby.

[J-Bonz]

[QUOTE=rotax454;306826]You are correct and incorrect.
JGR has a manufacturer produce their oil to their specifications. It is called "private manufacturing-labeling". QUOTE]

Take a look, its a very diversified company with many years in the additive biz...

http://www.lubrizol.com/

[2112]

We went to a seminar this winter for Joe Gibbs Oil and Lake Speed junior spoke for a few hours. Very impressed,.......Joe Gibb's worked with the oil company for a few years to get the product to there specs. So when you buy Joe Gibbs oile you are getting the same oil as the race cars.

When you buy Mobil 1 it is not the same formula as the race cars.


We are switching to it and will be using there break in oil also.
They spent millions testing oils, break in thery's old school new school.

I will say they did there home work and I left more educated than I ever thought I could be on oil.


Thanks
Jon

What is your application and which variant are you planning to use?
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[cougarman]

What is your application and which variant are you planning to use?
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I went to the seminar with the Earhart Engineering & Performance group.
total of 4 guys in our group,......plus every other engine builder in town and all the serious Hard Core HP. guy's in 100 mile radius.

Earhart,.........likes to play with the 1,500 hp. Twin Turbo Marine engines

As to the variant,.....I'll have to dig the paper work up. If I can scan it I will, be helpful to all.

Believe it or not they run the engine on the dyno foe 150 miles before the race. They have all the races tracks programmed on the dyno so they can run endurance test. The engine is not rebuilt before the race, and a good engine will get two races plus the dyno run of 150 plus miles.

They are pretty serious and need to be for the sake of not having excuses to there sponsor why the failed.

Other race teams are buying from them now, and encouraged them to go public with the oil.

They didn't go public for the money, they did it so the guys like us can keep our toys running at there best and as long as possible with out failures.

The whole reason they got into this was cause of cam failures.
They finally figured out after several scrapped engines it was cause of improved oil??? Which really means less of the good stuff and more of the additives. Lubrizol is the largest producer in the world of additives etc. and they had to go to them for the original formula prior to the up grade.

Then that lead into more development for what they have now made just for the Joe Gibbs team. Lubrizol offered to help them get the label etc. to actually put it out there instead of just a 55 gal. drum to the race team only.

Thats the short of it for now.


Take Care
Jon

[07DominatorSS]

I don't use $20/qt oil, I use AMSOIL 20w-50 Racing oil, in my twin 496ho's. I'm sure you know the reason too, why all commercial airlines, every piece of military equipment, secret service, NASCAR use synthetics right? Oh yeah you obviously don't, its because they are far superior in film strength, resist breakdown, handle temperature variation much better, and can handle by-products of combustion much better. When you mention a drive with a bad seal, well, its bad seal, and yeah, there will be too much water in there. But for you to tell me that oil can absorb water, thats some funny sh*t!

thats great stuff there!!!!! your comparing your 496's to nascar engines?

well i guess you buy Amsoil racing 2 stroke oil for your weedwacker too? hea have at Amsoil needs the money for teagues sponsorship.[/QUOTE]

Acutally, no where did I ever compare my 496ho's to Nascar Motors. No I don't use AMSOIL racing 2 stroke oil in my weedwacker, I use their 100:1 2cycle oil. I bet you're going to tell me that is too lean of a mix ratio right? Not exactly sure what trying to say about Teague, since your sentence is all jumbled, but he seems to be running pretty good for the last two years.

[2112]

Hey, guys take it outside.

Lets find out what experience or knowledge out group may have on a potential improvement to our sport.

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[HaxbySpeed]

Hey 07Dominator, aren't you an Amsoil dealer? I'm in Vancouver and I can never find the stuff in stores up here aside from generic auto oil. Who sells it, or do you have to order in bulk?

[2112]

Hey 07Dominator, aren't you an Amsoil dealer? I'm in Vancouver and I can never find the stuff in stores up here aside from generic auto oil. Who sells it, or do you have to order in bulk?

Sending you a P/M
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[CarBiz]

The builder who built my engines the first time recommend Gibbs. My second builder wants me to use it as well. I have flat tappet cams and Ben told me to run the Gibbs Hot Rod oil. It is a synthed with a bunch of ZDDP in it that i can tell.

BTW $108.00 a case!

[KENNYO]

I ran the break in oil. I have a case of the syn JGR oil but it was $10-12 a gallon and I change every 8-10 hrs. I hate to use it!

[Trim'd Up]

I ran the break in oil. I have a case of the syn JGR oil but it was $10-12 a gallon and I change every 8-10 hrs. I hate to use it!

That's cheaper than Mobil one. I may look into it. I thought it was more like $10-$12 a quart.

[2112]

I was quoted $14 per quart for the XP6. $13 if you buy in a 55 gallon drum.

I change oil about 8-10 too so I am leaning toward Amsoil motorcycle oil.
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[Airpacker]

My engine builder's choice as well as a few others I have spoken with. 15 hr change intervals and it doesn't cost an arm and a leg with 12 quarts a change.

http://www.bradpennracing.com

® Penn Grade 1® High Performance Oils contain the higher level of anti-wear (ZDDP

[cougarman]

Forgot to add this back when we had the discussion,..........lots of info here if you take the time to go through the PDF


Thanks
Jon

[J-Bonz]

Forgot to add this back when we had the discussion,..........lots of info here if you take the time to go through the PDF


Thanks
Jon

Good Find..... If you want some more truth, there is an SAE paper that has been published and can be purchased. Try the link below.

http://www.sae.org/technical/papers/2000-01-3553

[2112]

Good Find..... If you want some more truth, there is an SAE paper that has been published and can be purchased. Try the link below.

http://www.sae.org/technical/papers/2000-01-3553

Did you buy it? Did they compare Mobil 1, Amsoil and Gibbs? It wasn't clear in the description.
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[Viper31]

My engine builder's choice as well as a few others I have spoken with. 15 hr change intervals and it doesn't cost an arm and a leg with 12 quarts a change.

http://www.bradpennracing.com

® Penn Grade 1® High Performance Oils contain the higher level of anti-wear (ZDDP

Brad Penn oil is the orignal formula Kendall GT1 I believe.

[MikeyFIN]

I would love to see some documentation stating that petroluems won't break down as fast as a synthetic, with the presence of methanol. I've personally seen info from Shidaiwa, one of the largest producers of 2 cycle equipment in the world, stating to only use a high quality synthetic 2 cycle mix, due to ethanol and methanol presence in gasoline nowadays. Synthetics being able to counteract the presence of the alcohol, by adhering to the cylinder walls better, helping to prevent the alcohol from stripping the film of oil on the cylinder walls.

Secondly, who is your engine builder, I would change from him tomorrow. He sounds like a complete idiot! Oil and water don't mix!!! (2nd grade chemistry).

WTF is SHIDAIWA...maybe the biggest not the BEST.

Oil and Water do mix... I studied petrochemistry at the Uni and worked in a refinery doing JUST THAT!
It´s called an emulsion and IS A MIX.

And I´f you ask me in a race engine I have used Mobil 1 and an additive to great succes but that additive was basically synthetic castor oil to raise the film strength and needed as the Mobil1 didn´t cut it alone.
Castrol and Valvoline synth´s did.
I could´ve used also a little drop of Non hypoid Gear lube to get the same result but the best for a race engine with frequent oil changes would be a HD-Diesel oil especially if it´s (turbo)charged...

So Skaterdave knows what he´s talking here.
Well he is a Racer...

[MikeyFIN]

You're finally right on something, water doesn't lubricate very well. But when it actually comes to oil, you don't have a f**cking clue what you're talking about. I test my oil, to make sure its good. When that test is taken, it'll tell me if there is too much water in the oil, oh, thats right, there wasn't any after 53 hours, a full season for me. I don't use $20/qt oil, I use AMSOIL 20w-50 Racing oil, in my twin 496ho's. I'm sure you know the reason too, why all commercial airlines, every piece of military equipment, secret service, NASCAR use synthetics right? Oh yeah you obviously don't, its because they are far superior in film strength, resist breakdown, handle temperature variation much better, and can handle by-products of combustion much better. When you mention a drive with a bad seal, well, its bad seal, and yeah, there will be too much water in there. But for you to tell me that oil can absorb water, thats some funny sh*t!

thats a Tall generalisation right there.

FYI the Current Mobil1 isn´t good for anything as it´s film strength just breaks down after it has gotten in even remote race use. I´d never put it in a Marine engine.
Do not ASK how I figured it out...
I had an engine at 12.6 comp running 112 VP...

And Mobil 1 of all truly breaks down even before any old style oil.
Before Mobil1 I had used paraffin based oils with succes (US) then afterwards I got some oil just Bottled in Mobil1 packages that you can´t buy...

[MikeyFIN]

Brad Penn oil is the orignal formula Kendall GT1 I believe.

True and a GREAT Product still.
I mean if you lose a few HP because of it how much do you loose by being yourself racing...