Mercury Marine To Close And Move All Production From Fond du Lac, Wisconsin......

[Geronimo36]

neither community lost...they both emerged with the amount of jobs they entered into negotiations with.

I'm glad it all worked out!

[MarylandMark]

That's why Unions are ceasing to exist.

+1 which I see as a good thing. My union is holding me back.

...they will work for less than $2 per hour because they have to live.

Which is where the USA is heading..

YET- the CEO of the company I work for was paid over $26M last year- with $63M more in equity holdings, $51M in differed compensation and a measly $3M in his pension. Us employees are going to hold a fund raiser for him to soften the blow of this economy..

[Ratickle]

+1 which I see as a good thing. My union is holding me back.



Which is where the USA is heading..

YET- the CEO of the company I work for was paid over $26M last year- with $63M more in equity holdings, $51M in differed compensation and a measly $3M in his pension. Us employees are going to hold a fund raiser for him to soften the blow of this economy..

I'm sure he'll appreciate it.....


And he will

I think you should, should make the headlines and you'll be famous. I'll even donate. What's weird, the stockholders elect the board, the board decides compensation for the dude (dudette) at the top.

[phragle]

I agree, but, we are currently seeking balance with the employees in China, Korea, Indonesia, Viet Nam, etc. Where they will work for less than $2 per hour because they have to to live.

Our fault, our crooked politicians, we elected them. Doesn't affect them in the slightest. Once elected, even if they resign for getting caught being thieves, they continue to get their current salery with COLA increases for life.

our fault, to some extent yes, but not totaly. Our politicians, part of the equation but not the root cause. We are now part of a global economy. The middle class has enjoyed the fruits of a bubble for many years. That $2 an hour in the 3rd world is not only allowing them to live, it is increasing their standard of living dramatically. We can snivle and complain all we want, or we can find a way to exploit it. It wouldn't hurt nearly as bad if the bubble hadnt gotten so big. It's like real estate, regardless of the cause, real estate was a sound long term investment. But people werent happy with that got greedy and munipulted the system artificially to make a killing, a bubble ensued than burst. The american worker saw their standard of living increase due to industrial revolution, then a artificial sense of importance ensued. American workers overvalued themselves, demanded high wages and comphensation and developed a decreased work ethic. Do we have an illegal immigration problem because mexicans sneal across the border for jobs or do we have a problem because americans find the labor and the wages beneath them, even if they are on welfare.....

[Offshoredrillin]

our fault, to some extent yes, but not totaly. Our politicians, part of the equation but not the root cause. We are now part of a global economy. The middle class has enjoyed the fruits of a bubble for many years. That $2 an hour in the 3rd world is not only allowing them to live, it is increasing their standard of living dramatically. We can snivle and complain all we want, or we can find a way to exploit it. It wouldn't hurt nearly as bad if the bubble hadnt gotten so big. It's like real estate, regardless of the cause, real estate was a sound long term investment. But people werent happy with that got greedy and munipulted the system artificially to make a killing, a bubble ensued than burst. The american worker saw their standard of living increase due to industrial revolution, then a artificial sense of importance ensued. American workers overvalued themselves, demanded high wages and comphensation and developed a decreased work ethic. Do we have an illegal immigration problem because mexicans sneal across the border for jobs or do we have a problem because americans find the labor and the wages beneath them, even if they are on welfare.....

I agree, I think I'll watch the movie gung ho today..spelled out american labor to a T

[Ratickle]

our fault, to some extent yes, but not totaly. Our politicians, part of the equation but not the root cause. We are now part of a global economy. The middle class has enjoyed the fruits of a bubble for many years. That $2 an hour in the 3rd world is not only allowing them to live, it is increasing their standard of living dramatically. We can snivle and complain all we want, or we can find a way to exploit it. It wouldn't hurt nearly as bad if the bubble hadnt gotten so big. It's like real estate, regardless of the cause, real estate was a sound long term investment. But people werent happy with that got greedy and munipulted the system artificially to make a killing, a bubble ensued than burst. The american worker saw their standard of living increase due to industrial revolution, then a artificial sense of importance ensued. American workers overvalued themselves, demanded high wages and comphensation and developed a decreased work ethic. Do we have an illegal immigration problem because mexicans sneal across the border for jobs or do we have a problem because americans find the labor and the wages beneath them, even if they are on welfare.....

From reading this, you would be one of those who feel it is our problem the rest of the world has a lower standard of living than us, therefore it is our responsibility to raise their standard of living up while ours declines.

I do not believe that for one single second. I also believe the "Global Economy" is something perpetrated by politicians and socialists who purposefully wish to make it a truth.

There is, was, and doesn't ever need to be a "Global Economy". Unless the single purpose is to level the standard of living throughout the world.

We built our middle class by granting unheard of freedoms to those who strive to be better than "Average" and take the risks necessary to reap rewards. Now, we have elected a group who have never taken a risk to better themselves, or humanity, and given them the keys to the vault.

Sometime, before it's too late, (and it already may be), people have to sit up and take notice that we are transferring all the hard work of our parents, grandparents, etc to other countries at a rate of over a trillion dollars per year. And you know what, it isn't coming back.

[phragle]

From reading this, you would be one of those who feel it is our problem the rest of the world has a lower standard of living than us, therefore it is our responsibility to raise their standard of living up while ours declines.

Not in the least bit, our standard of living was developed by hard work and hard thought. this wasn't acomplished by "granting freedoms" it was developed by our grandparents and great grandparent busting there ass everyday. No one, regardless of the country they are born in or reside is owed, entitled too, or gaurenteed a certain standard of living. If you want a higher standard of living, you educate yourself and work harder than the next guy. Any job is worth no more than what someone is willing to do it for.

[phragle]

and with the work ethic of the next generation it's only going to get worse... I gat a guy at work, early 20's... calls off all the time (actually there are several people who call off all the time) he called off on a friday morning, said he was sick, monday he sat in the office talking about how trashed he got at the lake on friday... the boss did nothing....when I looked at him and said "I thoughtyou were sick" he just laughed.

[Ratickle]

Not in the least bit, our standard of living was developed by hard work and hard thought. this wasn't acomplished by "granting freedoms" it was developed by our grandparents and great grandparent busting there ass everyday. No one, regardless of the country they are born in or reside is owed, entitled too, or gaurenteed a certain standard of living. If you want a higher standard of living, you educate yourself and work harder than the next guy. Any job is worth no more than what someone is willing to do it for.

You're missing the point Rob. We are GIVING AWAY our standard of living through the mis-use of taxes and mandated government regulations which have almost rendered us unable to compete with any other country when we make something. So, unless that changes, we will continue to fall to the level of those who are in countries with no standard of living. All they have is a standard of existence.

And, the estimated spending of tax dollars JUST IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA to illegal immigrants, is over 4 billion dollars per year. That is one of the main reasons to come to the US. (Illegals currently make up 7% of the California population).

[TCEd]

45 times an hour? LOL!

60 minutes with a 15 minute break, then 5 minutes each way to the break room, then a few minutes chatting with Johnny Union guy over a cup of joe leaves about 20 minutes an hour of actual work. You ain't getting 45 of nothing in 20 minutes in my union..

I can also tell you about the guy that lifts 225 car front fenders into a stamping press every hour with a 5 minute break. Don't always use the worse case example of a union worker. I worked in car plants for 13 years and saw both sides of the coin.
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[Ratickle]

I can also tell you about the guy that lifts 225 car front fenders into a stamping press every hour with a 5 minute break. Don't always use the worse case example of a union worker. I worked in car plants for 13 years and saw both sides of the coin.
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My Dad was a steel mill employee his entire life. Talks about how the union workers for years took care of the lazy azzas. If they didn't want to work, the union employees drove them out because it relected on them. Then, the national guys sent in their guys with their rules, and stopped that. Guys would get to stay who slept on the job, etc.

He hated the change.

[MarylandMark]

I can also tell you about the guy that lifts 225 car front fenders into a stamping press every hour with a 5 minute break. Don't always use the worse case example of a union worker. I worked in car plants for 13 years and saw both sides of the coin.
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Sorry- I tend to poke fun at the union since the one I am in is such a joke.

I'm not in a right-to-work state so I am an "agency fee payer".