Mercury Marine To Close And Move All Production From Fond du Lac, Wisconsin......

[JupiterSunsation]

Pensions used to be compensation for a low paying, crappy job like city trash guys/factory workers etc but now those jobs pay decent and most of the people in them are seeking out these jobs simply for the long term benefits.

[Tony]

Pensions used to be compensation for a low paying, crappy job like city trash guys/factory workers etc but now those jobs pay decent and most of the people in them are seeking out these jobs simply for the long term benefits.

I know a handfull of extremely wealthy self employed people who's wives work some BS administration job for county/city/state type offices just for the insurance packages.

[Scarab KV]

Unless the machinists union agrees to concession to its current contract to help Mercury in this tough economic times. Unfortunately the union in it's bullheaded way said absolutely not, no way to any concessions.

2,000 lost jobs would be a huge hit for Fond du Lac. I hope the union leaders pull their heads out of there ass and realize Mercury would rather stay, but in the current economy, they need their help. Otherwise, the unemployment lines in Fond du Lac are gonna get really, really long

Don't forget all the satelite companies that provide support. We already have a 14% unemployment rate for Fond du Lac county. I'm in the process of closing my store due to the economy here. If Mercury pulls out, it's gonna get ugly here

[rschap1]

Enough blame to go around. Just like the Automakers. I worked for 12 years for a UAW company. Originally spun off GM by Roger Penske in the early 90s. Things went real well for 5 years or so. As the business grew EVERYONE wanted more. New hires got lazier with their union protection, managment wanted more since company was profitting, the union demanded more for itself. Bosch bought in as a way to eliminate their competition. They recognized the abuses and moved from our state and country. Now everyone loses. Workers get lazy and want more, managment makes bad decisions but still want more, and the union hierarchy get corrupt and want more. I feel bad for the hardworker that does his job everyday and is a victim of this stuff!!!!!

[Mac]

I know the state of Oklahoma is offering Mercury some very nice incentives to move it all to the Stillwater Okla. plant, looks as this might happen.

[Scarab KV]

Word here now is Oshkosh Truck has expressed intrest in the buildings.

[duke252]

Working in a UAW plant really opens up your eyes to how F'd Up Unions are.

I remember my first day, some guy showed up to work drunk (I was told not the first occasion), wrecks a forklift and damages a ton of product, the supervisor fires him. The guy is back to work less than 2wks later because the union got his job back.

5 yrs later the company asked the union to freeze wages for existing employees and new hires got a lower base rate. Union said absolutely not, now you have 1k union members w/out jobs crying that the company treated them poorly. Just amazing.

[Sea-Dated]

I know the state of Oklahoma is offering Mercury some very nice incentives to move it all to the Stillwater Okla. plant, looks as this might happen.

Yup, and Oklahoma is a right to work state they can tell the unions to go phuck themselves.....

[ThrottleUp Props]

Yup, and Oklahoma is a right to work state they can tell the unions to go phuck themselves.....

But, it is not looking great in OK either. Very sad!!!!

http://www.tradeonlytoday.com/home/4...fs-in-oklahoma

Julie

[Sea-Dated]

But, it is not looking great in OK either. Very sad!!!!

http://www.tradeonlytoday.com/home/4...fs-in-oklahoma

Julie

That is sad but maybe bringing the plant here will get these workers their jobs back.

Plus they would get away from the cold Milwaukee winters.....

[MacGyver]

they can avoid paying a fair wage by moving to china, non union , nickel a day, and after they bust that union they can go after the cops and the fire dept. you can fight crime and fires for 5 bucks an hour with no bennies ! bring back 7 day work weeks and child labor! woo hoo! if the unions go it will happen.

Bob, sounds like you are taking the union's side on this

[MacGyver]

Latest on the news tonight......still no agreement between the union and Mercury. They have until Monday, then Mercury will decide if its wants to stay in Fond du Lac anymore.

I hope and pray they stay.

[Marginmn]

My family moved to Muncie Indiana when I was ten. The town lived and died with the auto industry- Borg Warner and New Venture gear. About five years back the management of NVG goes to the union and tells them the only way they can keep the plant open is if they merge with Borg Warner (located right down the street) but it will mean like a $1.50 an hour pay cut to the NVG employees. The union leadership advises them to turn it down. The union votes NO and sure enough the plant closes and takes 1500+ $20+ an hour jobs with it.

A couple years go by and Ford is in big time trouble so they go to the union at Borg Warner with a similar offer. Ratify a new contract and take a $2 an hour pay cut and we'll guarantee your jobs for the next 15 years, but if the union doesn't agree then they can't afford their product and they will move the work to a different facility out of state. It's the unions choice. So after the lesson of NVG that had shut it's doors just a few years prior, what does the Union workforce at Borg Warner do? Of course they vote down the new contract. Ford says FU and takes their business to a different plant out of state and 1000+ more high paying union jobs bite the dust in Muncie.

If that isn't bad enough here's the kicker. You talk to these unemployed union guys who were making $20+ an hour about their decision to vote down the contract and they will tell you that they did the right thing - that there was just no way they could accept that pay cut!

They lost their high paying jobs, lost their benefits, lost their future but they still think they made the right decision because they couldn't let management get away with that b.s pay cut. I just don't get the union mindset - thankfully.

[Tony]

I just don't get the union mindset - thankfully.

Its real simple: I want more for doing less while I walk all over the company I work for. At least for the shop unions.

I have a buddy, used to be great friend but his shop union mentality has demoted him to just "buddy status". This guy is a real peice of work and listening to him talk about his job makes me want to puke.

[Scarab KV]

They do a pretty good job of brain wash'n them

[Brownie]

I used to play cards with the VP of Eastern Airlines, during the period when they were tring to save the company. When the machinists union turned down the last offer, the company closed. The head of the local union said "We won"!

[Ratickle]

I think it was an old head of the UAW who said, "I'd rather have 10 union members making $10000 an hour than 10000 union members making $10 per hour." May have been one of the other union heads though. I'll try to find it. Was in the 70's I believe.

They still seem to follow that practice at all the national unions.

[Magicfloat]

Lee Iacocco said it best many years ago while he was trying to save Chrysler.Not sure of the $ amounts,but he told the union"I have plenty of jobs at $25/hour,but no jobs at $35/hour." He won.

[Scarab KV]

Lee Iacocco said it best many years ago while he was trying to save Chrysler.Not sure of the $ amounts,but he told the union"I have plenty of jobs at $25/hour,but no jobs at $35/hour." He won.

I like that

[whatboat]

I was a contractor at Cat in Peoria. The union walked and cat said, no problem, don't let door hit you in arse on the way out.
They took management and put them back on the assembly lines where they came from.
Quality went way up. In fact the area where they used to park the big Cat's for rework was empty and was turned into a indoor basketball court.

A few yrs later a judge told Cat that they had to take back the uniun guys.
Quality went down, the basketball area was turned back into a rework area.

Guess what ? Yep the union screamed. You can't take away the backetball court !!!!

Last time I was in Peoria that whole facility was an empty lot.