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    What the president of NBRG thinks would benefit the future of offshore racing.....
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    Imagine if Carbonell hangs up SBI....

    SOTW has had recent articles about OPA and P1 working together, OPA and RWO have looked like they want to play together...

    So with SBI out of the picture and if, OPA, P1 and RWO join forces and work together, All 3 at each race sight, OPA handles P classes and SVL, RWO runs SS, supercat and unlimited, while P! does their thing. Big turnout for the race sight, and non stop action all weekend,

    More competition for the racers, more show for the spectators, more exposure for the sponsors............
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    SVL and SVL-X should also both be handled by RWO in that scenario.

    OPA, GPS Classes
    RWO, Spec Classes
    P1, Their current P1 boats and the Skis

    There are some major race-site issues if they all join together though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratickle View Post
    SVL and SVL-X should also both be handled by RWO in that scenario.

    OPA, GPS Classes
    RWO, Spec Classes
    P1, Their current P1 boats and the Skis



    There are some major race-site issues if they all join together though.
    Nope, you pick the best of the best sights and make a series. Stop spreading the sport so thin, get the boat count and competition up at selected sights.
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    what are the issues?? the water is too Flat??
    Some where in Kenya a village is missing an Idiot!
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    Nope, too many classes for an event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratickle View Post
    Nope, too many classes for an event.
    Have you been to a race in the last few years?? There are 3 classes in a race with 6 boats going around a glorified milling circle... after the first lap the spectators are sitting there on the beach, " hey there goes a boat, hand me a sandwhich, hey look, here comes another one...got time to go to the bathroom before the next boat comes by......"

    Its rather anti-exciting....

    If you put 6 classes in one heat, you have what, 10 boats on the course at once??
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    when the teams roll into town on thursday, friday inspections and testing on the course, saturday morning testing and qualifying, saturday afternoon P-class races. sunday canopied boats. action packed weekend. it needs to move beyond the hobby.
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    Okay, we'll use your scenario, assuming they all join forces and SBI is gone.

    P1 - 7 boats
    Class 1 - 1 boat
    Class 2 - 2 boats
    Class 3 - 2 boats
    Class 4 - 4 boats
    Class 5 - 6 boats
    Class 6 - 6 boats
    Class 7 - 7 boats
    SVL - 8 boats
    SVLX - 9 boats
    Super Stock - 9 boats
    Super Cat - 7 boats
    Extreme 1100 Cat - 5 boats
    Extreme Vee - 2 boats

    And that's with no Aqua X or Aqua Bike, 8 classes - 70 skies. Don't know where you'd work those in.

    I didn't say too many boats. I said too many classes. They would need to eliminate or combine some classes.
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    14 Classes, plus the skis? It would be a lot like the LOTO Shootout. You build it, we'll find a class for it.
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    all svl whatevers in one class first race on sunday

    all supercat in second race on sunday.
    (eliminate unlimited boring brokemotor racing and put in 750 class except the yacht size hulls that belong in a poker run ego setup anyway )

    leave p- class for Saturday with the outboards
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    Only 2 classes on Sunday?
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    But then everybody cant go home with a 1st place trophy.........
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    two classes yes .then you fill up the two classes with boats that fit into those two classes.

    when you have a 15 boat field again then you do heats.

    I don't mean to come off as p class or outboard hater ,I like them they are necessary,just not on real race day.

    ive been around offshore for decades. late 70,s were great,
    1999 -2002 even better .

    oss time period was awfull.it cost all of us everything invested up to that point.
    there have been a lot of company names .

    the best I saw was apba affiliated.

    but really ,10 or 12 classes is a hobby sport.

    force only two classes maybe three ,superstock.
    and eventually they will fill up.

    we cant cant get any worse.sbi run by secretarys.

    OPA I hoped was an option till mercman set me straight.you should not be a racer if you are indeed an officer of said organization.

    Larry is a joke.

    miklos once said OFFSHORE had to burn to the ground and start 100% new .
    I now agree.
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    I think you have to consider Stock Cat Outboard a "real" class. It has great competition between similar boats and real competitors, and is growing again also. Hopefully they get the 250 lbs. added to the minimum weight, as that is how much more the pair of 300's weigh than the 2.5's. Then the older boats will no longer be obsolete when compared to the new featherweight DW's.

    Totally unfair to change the engines, add the weight, but not make the increase weight change to the rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratickle View Post
    I think you have to consider Stock Cat Outboard a "real" class. .

    I agree lol

    im a bit of a snob when it comes to stock class,s
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    And by APBA rule;

    3. No member of any Race Committee nor the Referee shall take part in the decision of any question in which he is directly interested.

    4. No person shall act as a member of the Race Committee or act as a Referee during a heat in which he competes or owns an interest in a competing boat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phragle View Post
    But then everybody cant go home with a 1st place trophy.........
    Good point.

    Maybe we can use the rules from the LOTO shootout for classes?
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    The biggest deal is if they can standardize the rules, and when changes to the rules happen make sure it does not obsolete boats.
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    Not sure it's come together.
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