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    Offshore Racing’s Unlimited Class Unified To Decrease Power For 2019 Season
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    Big news from the most high-powered class in offshore powerboat racing, https://speedonthewater.com/in-the-n...or-2019-season.
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    So, since they will be limited to 1100 hp, the unlimited class is now the un-unlimited class??
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    That would be correct.......
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    I think it's a good idea.

    It may also explain why Eric left Mercury and went to work for Bob Bull???????
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    I can't believe it will slow them down much though. A 388 Skater pleasure runs 170 (171 actual) with 1100's. I'm assuming a 40 Skater would run almost the same speed based on the competitive nature of both 40' WHM Skaters with the 388 boats.

    The canopy improvement to speed should offset any other speed loses associated with a 40 versus the 388.
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    Those are the supercat boats that you are referring to. They run 750 a side. The unltd. class is Geico, Bob Bull, Envy, Wake effects, CRC, etc.

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    My only concerns is that if you decrease power, the way to go faster is then to decrease weight, these things are already potato chips. Hopefully material isn't taken away from areas where it needs to be most....
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    Quote Originally Posted by jperog View Post
    Those are the supercat boats that you are referring to. They run 750 a side. The unltd. class is Geico, Bob Bull, Envy, Wake effects, CRC, etc.

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    Correct, but if they reduce the power in the big cats, a 40' Skater fits in the class. And the original WHM used to be an incredible boat with the bigger motors, ask Jay and Billy. I think that boat, with 1100's, would clean up on the bigger boats with the same power. I'm saying it would run as fast as they do now with 1650's.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by phragle View Post
    My only concerns is that if you decrease power, the way to go faster is then to decrease weight, these things are already potato chips. Hopefully material isn't taken away from areas where it needs to be most....
    Absolutely, they need to make the canopy rules have minimum compression and yield requirements. We saw it just recently in the difference between the flips of Beckley's Skater outboard and Nick's Wright outboard. They both flipped in St Clair at about the same speed, just a year or two apart. Beckley didn't even get wet, opening the bottom hatch and climbing out to the recue boat (Balsa Cored Canopy). Nick's canopy imploded and instantly filled the boat with water (Foam Cored Canopy). Difference between end-grain balsa and lightweight foam.

    "Shear Strength: The shear strength of most PVC foams is around 40-60 psi; some are much lower. Balsa is 400 psi." http://www.yachtsurvey.com/core_materials.htm

    "The fact is that foam cored laminates are extremely vulnerable to impact damage, and can be highly prone to core separation. Our examination of balsa cores revealed that they, too, fared much better than foam cores. The advantage of balsa is that it has both superior bonding strength and superior shear strength. Whereas foam is very weak against inter- laminar shearing forces, balsa is quite strong. This is easy to understand because we all understand how wood is weak with the grain, but very strong against the grain.

    We have all heard the hype that foam cored panels are stronger than solid laminates. What you may not have heard is that cored panels are only stronger if they are flat! Curved cored panels are decidedly weaker than solid glass panels, particularly when compressive loads are applied in shear mode. Most foam cored panels take very poorly to bending. The "S" shaped reverse curves of the typical sailboat hull is a case in point, and accounts for why so many failures occur in sailboats. Here we see that the shape of the panel has everything to do with the performance of cores.

    The effect of stress and compression loading on foam cored panel. Bending causes inner and outer skins to creep at different rates due to the difference in the radius, causing the core to shear or separate.
    To understand what happens to curved panels, imagine an "S" shaped panel like a sail boat hull section. Now, apply a compressive load on the ends as shown opposite. What happens? Well, the inner and outer laminates bend and creep at different rates, owing to the fact that they have a different radius. This causes a very unexpected shearing force that shears the very weak foam. This, in a nutshell, demonstrates why so many foam core failures occur on curved surfaces as compared to flat panels. The shear strength of the foam is simply inadequate to resist these forces." http://www.yachtsurvey.com/HiTech.htm

    Graphs of shear and compressive strengths of foam core materials versus balsa core materials: https://www.boatdesign.net/articles/...ties/index.htm
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    I'm really hoping some rules are passed that makes the boats safer. They may be a bit heavier, but safety is more important than a couple miles an hour.
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    Its simple .

    750 cat class period.ok ?

    there would be a huge field.

    Lose the limited unlimited less hp.boats entirely.
    those are for bragging rights .not true competition .
    sorry but im right no sense telling me im not
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    Nick's boat at St Clair....that whole boat came apart. You could look at what was supposed to be the tip of the sponson and see daylight out the transom, That thing was a potato chip with a capital Pringles.......
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    Yep, they really should be illegal. It's a completely false sense of safety when you have a boat with a canopy, but the canopy actually provides no protection for the occupants.
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    As you can see in the links above, Balsa has about 5 times the compressive strength of good foam. There is just no comparison.
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    Of course we all know there are no curved surfaces on a race boat......

    The effect of stress and compression loading on foam cored panel. Bending causes inner and outer skins to creep at different rates due to the difference in the radius, causing the core to shear or separate.
    To understand what happens to curved panels, imagine an "S" shaped panel like a sail boat hull section. Now, apply a compressive load on the ends as shown opposite. What happens? Well, the inner and outer laminates bend and creep at different rates, owing to the fact that they have a different radius. This causes a very unexpected shearing force that shears the very weak foam. This, in a nutshell, demonstrates why so many foam core failures occur on curved surfaces as compared to flat panels. The shear strength of the foam is simply inadequate to resist these forces."
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    thought long and hard about that stuff when I beefed up the bottom of the avanti. I had 3/4 coosa avail, but what I did was grind the gel out of the bilge, laid down 3 layers of 1708 with vinylester, then added 4 small stringers and capped it with 3 more interlocking lavers of 1708. So in essence I added 9 more layers of glass.
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    thought long and hard about that stuff when I beefed up the bottom of the avanti. I had 3/4 coosa avail, but what I did was grind the gel out of the bilge, laid down 3 layers of 1708 with vinylester, then added 4 small stringers and capped it with 3 more interlocking lavers of 1708. So in essence I added 9 more layers of glass. since the motor is out I will try and get some piks this weekend.
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    That's pretty much old school lamination. Worked well on Apache's!!
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    Balsa core sandwich construction is still the best though. And it's getting better with the new special balsa trees they are growing.
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    Here is the pik of my dusty bilge (im "shelfing" the area between the chine and the stringers)

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