Truth vs Fiction

[wstultz]

There's an old 39' here in NJ that sits on a trailer at Julian's Bait and Tackle on route 36... It has a 3-pack cockpit but with TRS Drives, black hull, white deck, no name.... It's behind a fence and i've never inquired, anyone know what boat that is???

Rumor has it the owner of Julians took the boat, flipped it over and pulled a mold from it , stretched it and made his own open fishing boat.....

Pics! Pics!

[Geronimo36]

Pics! Pics!

I'll see if I can get a few this weekend when I'm out driving around.

[Geronimo36]

Drove by on my lunch break and took two cell phone pics, sorry for the quality...

[Dude! Sweet!]

Wrong on the first answer.

Correct on the second

Executioner comes to mind.

[T2x]

Executioner comes to mind.

You win the cupie doll.......

[Geronimo36]

So who really had the first padded offshore V bottom???? Steve Stepp, Executioner/Excalibur/Fountain et al???

[HabanaJoe]

Geronimo,

The boat at Julians is a Squadron they claim.

The boat that Julian made, his 40'er I think that your refering to was his little center console lenghten out to 40' by Mark King who used to work for me at SH. If you remember when Joe's 40' was being built there at his shop there was an explosion that blew the garage doors off each end. The fellow that they aired out of there was Mark King with burns on his hands and face (story turned out well, no lasting injuries to Mark).

Julian made his 40'er long before he acquired the Cigarette/Squadron.

The boat was for sale for $40,000 as is.

Do not believe there is any race history with that boat. Julian's kid says "drug runner" but I think people just like to claim that?

Joe Gere

[Lee]

It is a 39' Squadron XII has "XEX" hin number, and was purchased from a Government auction. 2 large deck hatches, extra fuel tanks, NO thru hull exhaust, white deck/black hull sides, and NO cabin make it suspect. Price 2yrs ago was $12,000
Here are some pictures.

[Lee]

Couple more.

[Geronimo36]

Lee, thanks for the pics and the info.... I've passed that darn thing so many times that I often think about buying it just to flip it over and pull a mold off it and put a step in it or something.......

If memory serves me, the boat used to have thru-hull exhaust and it was filled in the last couple of years. What year is the HIN?

thanks for the pics inside the hull, it must be a light lay up.

[Geronimo36]

Geronimo,

The boat at Julians is a Squadron they claim.

The boat that Julian made, his 40'er I think that your refering to was his little center console lenghten out to 40' by Mark King who used to work for me at SH. If you remember when Joe's 40' was being built there at his shop there was an explosion that blew the garage doors off each end. The fellow that they aired out of there was Mark King with burns on his hands and face (story turned out well, no lasting injuries to Mark).

Julian made his 40'er long before he acquired the Cigarette/Squadron.

The boat was for sale for $40,000 as is.

Do not believe there is any race history with that boat. Julian's kid says "drug runner" but I think people just like to claim that?

Joe Gere

Joe, thanks for the info! If I remember correctly the boat was lengthened and the last 3-5 ft of the boat was "flat"??? Where did it go?? Years back I kept my Scarab at Gateway and he would dock it there a couple of weeks... very interesting boat but it looks like it was all done in woven roving....

[HabanaJoe]

Geronimo,

I believe it is still in the yard there but in the back, yes it was pretty flat. Joe built/raced JS's for many years, I think he wated a big JS!!!

It was heavy, nothing fancy about it, laid up a like a Bruno & Stillman if you know lobster boats.

[Magicfloat]

First pad would be Steve Stepp,with a little help from Darris Allison

[Chris]

It is a 39' Squadron XII has "XEX" hin number, and was purchased from a Government auction. 2 large deck hatches, extra fuel tanks, NO thru hull exhaust, white deck/black hull sides, and NO cabin make it suspect. Price 2yrs ago was $12,000
Here are some pictures.

God only knows what Don hung XEX serial numbers on (or how many boats shared numbers) but that's a Cigarette 39 Competition hull. Engine centers are a bit off- never seen one with S/S's.

[BBB725]

Just answered a question on another site re the heritage of a particular boat and thought it might be interesting to the serious members if we started something over here too.

For instance did you Know, that a very talented guy by the name of Gary Gabrecht once worked for Mercury Marine running their racing division. In 1979, he and another guy started a new boat company with a deep v design and put a pad on the bottom of the boat.

If you listen to the rumor mills, you would hardly ever know that Gary was ever involved in the start up of that company and had a lot to do with it's inital success......the company is known as FOUNTAIN.

When did Gary start Second Effort?

[T2x]

So who really had the first padded offshore V bottom???? Steve Stepp, Executioner/Excalibur/Fountain et al???

Steve had the first padded offshore vee over 30 feet in the late 70's. The first Fountain Garbrecht Executioner hit the water in 1980 or so.

The first Linder Challenger 21 hit the water in 1975.........and that was a pad hull. That was probably the first.

Of course Paul Allison created the first pad hulls and is the inspiration for all of the others. He made his first version in 1965.

T2x

[Geronimo36]

the first Top Gun is born and was called AJAC HAWK.

It was then rigged and wrapped in plastic and shipped off to Argentina for the December 1978 World Championship in Mar del Plata. It arrived at the sub base that we used for the pit area and was unwrapped to great admiration from all of us on hand. The photo in Argentina clearly shows the designation of 37.6 on the stern.

Photo courtesy of my mother....

[Lee]

God only knows what Don hung XEX serial numbers on (or how many boats shared numbers) but that's a Cigarette 39 Competition hull. Engine centers are a bit off- never seen one with S/S's.

Chris, I know exactly what you mean

[Brownie]

Executioner

[tony davis]

Wrong on the first answer.

Correct on the second

Here you go...