New Ride

[fasttoons]

Had to show it off-
This is a performance pontoon(aluminum cat) not a pontoon boat with a performance package.

[Slandrew]

Nice party boat!

[Bobcat]

Fast party boat !!!

[Davidmnc]

How fast???

[Slandrew]

I'd guess 65-70???

[fasttoons]

I'd guess 65-70???

It's a 28' x8.5' living room with a single 300hp Mercury Verado attached to it.
It runs anywhere from 50-55mph gps. Anyone that tells you their pontoon runs over 45mph I'd question. If you want to do over 60 with a single you need to have a Verado 350 on the back and set up to the max. The size is needed to get the great ride that these have. You can run over 3' waves and still drink your beer.
If you want more speed you need the dual or triple outboard set up. From 65mph to whatever. They also make single and dual I/O's-Playcraft's a custom builder. If you have the $$ they will make it anyway you want.
They were the first pontoon to go over 100mph at the LOTO Shootout.

[BBB725]

I'll ask the dumb question, what's the difference between a performance pontoon and a pontoon boat with a performance package?

[Five Cent Worth]

I'll ask the dumb question, what's the difference between a performance pontoon and a pontoon boat with a performance package?

Was thinking the same thing.

[fasttoons]

Sorry for the late reply but have been off this board for awhile. Pontoon boats are built many different ways. They do all look alike but from the floor down there are major differences. If your going to use the pontoon as a floating living room at low mph all the boats made today will do that well. If your going to add a 200+hp outboard motor or a high HP I/O then you need to know more to make a good choice. The main problem with pontoons is the flex of the hull-the toons shifting and moving at higher speeds. So I suggest if your interested look at the following-
Floor- what is it made of-composite,aluminum, or plywood. If it's plywood is it individual sheets or one contunious sheet and the thickness.
Floor attachment- screwed or bolted
Floor Joices- what is used (guage and type) and the spread- 12",16" or 24" on centers.
Pontoons-
Thickness of the aluminum material- .08,.09,.10,.125 etc.
Shape-Ushaped or round-Ushape eliminates the M brackets. The M brackets are used to connect the round tube to the floor joices and is a major failure point. Ushaped pontoons bolt directly to the floor joices.
Filled or unfilled pontoon-Is it filled with styrofoam or does it have baffles.
Both are used to prevent the sides of the toon from oil canning(caving in)
Pontoon Nose cones-these hit the waves first and take alot of stress.
How heavy are they built and do they have strong splash shields on them.
Undersheilding- are the floor joices covered by aluminum sheeting to keep the waves from catching the underside of the floor. Is the floor completely covered or just a partical covering?
Lifting strakes-where located, thickness,shape-they really affect the handling and performance.
There are a few pontoon mfg. that make very good pontoon boats that are built to handle unlimited power- single double and triple outboards and big block single and dual i/o's. They can also handle the big water on the big lakes/rivers without failure. There are other pontoon mfg. that stick lifting strakes on their toons,add a third toon and put racing stripes on them and call them performance toons. I've seen the failures.
For me I like the one sheet plywood floor(stronger than individual sheets)Utoons(bolt directly to the floor joices)filled with close cell foam for strength,floor joices on 16" centers at the least and a fully covered underside.
I like the high end models of Playcraft & JC.
But there are round toon mfg. that make heavy duty toons also. The high end Premier, Bennington Southbay and Manitou come to mind.
BTW- if you read all the performance tests done by third parties the best boats are topping out at 50-53mph gps. (Saw one test with a Verado 350 that did 60.2 )To go beyond that you need dual outboards(Premier,Bennington,Southbay and Playcraft)or a Big Block IO(
Playcraft and Southbay). Just remember when you go looking for a toon crawl under it and check it out. If the sales person starts talking about the wine rack or the power lounge seats first I'd leave asap.

[600sci]

Nice, but i have a question as well.
If they are a custom builder and work with aluminum, why did they give you a steel trailer ???

[fasttoons]

They don't build trailers. The trailer I ordered was one I specified -Galvanized. Look at the first post pictures.
If I wanted any trailer from any trailer mfg. I could have got it. That's the same from any high end pontoon mfg if you custom order. All you have to do is fork over the additional dollars. Each boat mfg. is close to one or two trailer mfg. and you can get a better deal from them.

[the bear]

Fassttoons, what prop did you go with? I have the same boat and motor, got mine last summer, the only difference is we got the larger mega toons, they made the entrance on the ladder a little wider, a necessity for me......I was just wondering.

[fasttoons]

Fassttoons, what prop did you go with? I have the same boat and motor, got mine last summer, the only difference is we got the larger mega toons, they made the entrance on the ladder a little wider, a necessity for me......I was just wondering.

I've tested the following Props with top up with two on board and about 35 gallons of fuel. This was on the St. Johns River in Florida calm to 1' chop.

Prop RPM GPS
Vengence 17- 6200 52.2
Vengence 19- 5800 51.0
Mirage 17 6000 51.5
Enertia 17 6000 51.2
Enertia 19 5650 51.0

Best overall prop seems to be the Enertia 17 because of mid range(3000rpm)
performance. Highest speed out of all of them at mid range and I think it would perform better with a load of people. It seems to have the small diameter of the Vengence but much less slip at mid range. As you know I have the small outside toons with the Verado 300hpXL with the extended rear. I would have thought there would have been a larger spread-

[the bear]

I have the 300hp Verado and extended rear also, I am running the Vengence 17 also, I may try the Enertia. I run on Lake of the Ozarks. I dont have any GPS numbers I had some this summer but I dont want too misquote.

[Spudsbud]

Bear,
may I ask, what is that... wreck? in your sig pic ?

Jim

[Ratickle]

Bear,
may I ask, what is that... wreck? in your sig pic ?

Jim

A big insurance claim.......

[MacGyver]

Bear,
may I ask, what is that... wreck? in your sig pic ?

Jim

A big insurance claim.......

http://www.boatered.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=94826

[Donskihp]

72' Predator, what a sad sight! I'd been wondering about that pick to, thanks for the link.

[the bear]

Bear,
may I ask, what is that... wreck? in your sig pic ?

Jim

Just a pick I saw on line that caught my eye.