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    Quote Originally Posted by jayboat View Post
    I read your about Palin's authenticity with interest. And that little alarm bell that always goes off in my head.

    Andrew, whether the Republican party realizes it or not - she is their test. It is with Palin and her political aspirations that we are going to find out whether the tottering GOP is merely desperate, or depraved.

    Palin is who she is. She's a deeply disturbed creature.
    What factual basis does he have for saying this...has she been diagnosed as disturbed? Has she had a screaming fit on TV or jumped up and down on a couch? Has she slept with an intern and lied about it? Does she spend millions hiding her Birth and school records?


    Quote Originally Posted by jayboat View Post
    and she's spent her whole life banking on her looks and her chutzpah to see her through.
    And how is this different from Diane Sawyer, Katie Couric....or Michelle Obama?

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    She never bothered to excel because she figured, and was rewarded for, faking it. .
    No proof of or basis for this, by all appearances she has spent her life working hard, excelling in both the political and personal theater



    Quote Originally Posted by jayboat View Post
    If she can appear to be something and people buy it (literally and figuratively) then she figures that's sufficient. .
    Now this is right out of the left wing propaganda play book...take her strongest attribute...her honesty........ and call her a liar and a fake with no basis in fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by jayboat View Post
    Even worthy of being handed the controls for the United States of America and, for that matter, the world entire. That's how deranged she is..
    She is more experienced than Barack Obama, an idealogue who has actually been handed the controls of the USA....is spending money like a floozy, stepping on his tongue all over the world, losing respect from our allies and enemies....yet where is the talk of his 'derangement"? This is nothing but the perverse logic of some sophomoric jerk with nothing to back it up, yet it will pass as gospel to the unsuspecting and uninformed reader. (If the shoe fits....)

    Quote Originally Posted by jayboat View Post
    But the GOP, while they may be a sordid lot these days, drunk on desperation, are not all stupid. Many of them are very bright, just trapped..
    Actually the GOP is , by and large trapped by their own selfish compromises to the left...and they too should for the most part be dumped out of office with the hopelessly partisan Democrats. This sentence is designed to make a Conservative viewpoint seem like a desperate alternative rather than the position of the majority of taxpaying voters.


    Quote Originally Posted by jayboat View Post
    And they know that the prospect of Sarah Palin in power is horrifying.. And at any point they could have, and still could, bring to a halt her delusions of grandeur, for that's what's the Republicans are known for. ..
    This is simply nonsensical lable libeling and reverse psychology. The true elitists have always been the limousine liberals.

    Quote Originally Posted by jayboat View Post
    An entire machine whose modus operandi is dismantling people and careers. That's true and they actually are rather proud of it. So don't tell me that with all the material she's given them from associations with secessionists, to whacked out religious practices, to her questionable ethics, personal and family scandals and her abject stupidity that they can't put a stop to the lunging aspirations of this con artist from Mayberry, Alaska...
    "Whacked out Religious practices"....... Reverend Wright anyone?

    "Questionable ethics".................... Backroom Chicago politics and ACORN sound familiar?

    "Family Scandals".....her teenage daughter had a baby......wow!....Anyone remember Obama's sister living in poverty in Boston?.....and he was born and raised where?



    Finally how can you be a "Con artist" with "abject stupidity"?........ seems like the author is describing himself.


    Quote Originally Posted by jayboat View Post
    However, should they decide to run her for office that is how America will know, beyond doubt, that the Republicans are no longer a political party, but a mob and a threat to this country. Romney is a cheese and an opportunist but he's somehow almost quaint in his old hack political posturing. Pawlenty is old school boring. The list goes on. None a sign of a party that's gone completely to hell. We've see their type before and sometimes they win and sometimes not. But a Palin is a once in a generation joke, and a really bad one, that the Republicans could take too far. I wonder what they'll do?
    Based on this, I presume they should either nominate someone who has no strong positions and therefore has no chance of winning (McCain) or simply back Obama and do away with the two party system completely....sadly we are on the verge of that very occurence if something doesn't change quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boss460 View Post
    Exxon didn't owe any taxes on April 15th. They aren't required to show their actual tax liability. They pay quarterly estimates (like I do) and probably overpaid. How about getting the other side of the story.

    http://seekingalpha.com/article/6313...ill-30-billion

    Quote from Exxon:

    "It is incorrect to say that ExxonMobil did not pay any U.S. income tax in 2009. In fact, we expect a significant U.S. federal income tax liability for 2009, although our tax return will not be filed until later this year. Our tax installments overpaid our 2008 U.S. federal income taxes and we used that excess in part to pay our 2009 estimated taxes. The amount stated in our 10-K filing with the SEC, which Chris [Christopher Helman, who originally reported on this story for Forbes] told me he based his story on, includes expenses or credits recorded during 2009, and can represent items from previous years or expectations for subsequent years. It is not our actual tax bill."
    Boss, I believe everything the oil companies tell me.

    Nice work, T2x.

    I particularly like your comment about how she has "spent her life working hard, excelling in both the political and personal theater"

    How does 5 colleges in 6 years and quitting halfway thru your term as gov qualify as working hard?

    and this: "Does she spend millions hiding her Birth and school records?"

    She has yet to produce a birth certificate for Trig, and as of today has yet to give a single press conference.

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    I cant call myself repub anymore either because they are not conservative anymore. The Bush years were the most fiscally and economically liberal years since LBJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayboat View Post

    She has yet to produce a birth certificate for Trig, and as of today has yet to give a single press conference.

    I wasn't aware that Trig was running for a public office that required the candidate to be a natural-born citizen.

    I thought the idea of asking Obama to prove his citizenship was a bit off-color. Right up until he refused to do it. I can't get a passport without proving my citizenship. How can you become president without presenting proper paperwork?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayboat View Post
    Boss, I believe everything the oil companies tell me.
    Exactly my point of listening to only one side. The truth is never on either side. It's usually in the middle. But since you insist in your own words that you will only listen to one side, I am ignoring the rest of your ignorance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boss460 View Post
    Exactly my point of listening to only one side. The truth is never on either side. It's usually in the middle. But since you insist in your own words that you will only listen to one side, I am ignoring the rest of your ignorance.
    I based my comment on their past record. In your haste to be so open-minded, maybe you lost track.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayboat View Post
    I based my comment on their past record. In your haste to be so open-minded, maybe you lost track.
    I am not aware that the oil companies have filed false financial statements in past years.

    Perhaps you could enlighten us with specifics?

    I think you are confusing large profitability with greed and chicanary.

    Greed and chicanary is far more of a problem in DC, and Chicago then at Exxon or Texaco. Again all this does is take the spotlight off the real bad guys:

    Chavez, Castro, Putin, Al Qaeda, The UFT, Iran, North Korea, Reid, Pelosi, Barney Frank, Rahm Emanuel and Barack Hussein Obama.

    If we could focus on and deal with the real devastation that these guys represent, we would actually make some improvements in this crazy world... Playing "My Democrats are better than your Republicans" simply plays into the hands of the devious vermin listed above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayboat View Post
    Well, there are plenty of easy targets. And I'm sure that Beck, rushbo, hannity, coulter et al would NEVER engage in such tactics. noooooo.
    They are entertainers, just like Letterman and Leno
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayboat View Post

    That would be a good start. Here's another area that could use some attention:

    Large corporation DO NOT pay taxes, in the real world it's the cost of doing of doing business and it, The taxes, are passed along to the customer.
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    That's a very simplistic view of a very complicated corporate tax reporting system, as the author found out. Companies like GE and XOM pay tens of billions of dollars in taxes all around the world, including the USA. Offsets to taxable income can come from a variety of sources, including things as simple as overpayments, which result in either refunds, or reductions in taxes owed.

    I have to send in several hundred thousand dollars in US taxes next week (not me personally), which may very well be offset by expenses the rest of the year, maybe not. Quarterly tax estimating is difficult at best, and does not give a clear picture of what's going on.

    I do agree, however, that the current tax laws make this a needlessly complicated process. The global economy has made the US tax system stick out like a sore thumb. In any review of tax policy, one must make sure it is not only fair-minded, but also is not designed in a way as to give incentive for companies to invest elsewhere. If anything, in this day and age, you want to give incentives for companies to grow and build within our own borders.

    This is especially true for smaller companies and entrepreneurs. They have to compete with larger, global companies in some way, shape or form. Most do not have the advantages of foreign subsidiaries, economies of scale, nor the additional capital to invest in legions of tax lawyers and accountants to minimize their burdens.

    The answer lies not in more compliance or higher taxes. The answer is to incentivize all companies to build, grow, employ and remain here in the USA. I don't mean the various state and federal subsidies and things like that, which I think are self-defeating and more geared towards regional competition. Companies, both large and small, are what everyone depends upon for this country to remain powerful, and to grow the standard of living. We've only seen a glimpse of what happens when you price yourselves out of the market.
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    I heard this yesterday. It's maybe the truest thing I've ever heard.

    When more than one half of the population of a democracy isn't required to pay taxes, there absolutely no incentive for that majority to keep that situation in place, nor any reason for them not to continue to raise the tax rates on those paying taxes for the things that they want.
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    "The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."
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    Quote Originally Posted by sledge View Post
    Jay, do you know what the tax rate is on corporations in the US (hint: two-part answer)? Do you understand how those rates compare to other tax jurisdictions around the world? Do you understand the concept of "comparative advantage?"

    Jay, do you report a profit for tax purposes in your business? I'm willing to bet you report your income such that you aren't subject to corporate tax rates. Other than "to pay less taxes," do you really understand WHY you pay less taxes that way?
    funny how you get avoided as well... welcome to the smarter club..
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    Hey Jim, yeah it's alright. I take it as a compliment. Avoid me cuz you fear me. haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by BUIZILLA View Post
    funny how you get avoided as well... welcome to the smarter club..
    That happen when you use facts, nothing but crickets
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I heard this yesterday. It's maybe the truest thing I've ever heard.

    When more than one half of the population of a democracy isn't required to pay taxes, there absolutely no incentive for that majority to keep that situation in place, nor any reason for them not to continue to raise the tax rates on those paying taxes for the things that they want.
    I assume you mean NOT keep that situation in place but is basically the same as "A democracy fails when the people realize they can vote themselves money from the public treasury" or something like that. This is in large part what has me so riled up politically. The Dem's are pursuing this policy of increasing gov't dependence to ensure they continue to get the votes to get re-elected. It is sad, and infuriating...they must be stopped.

    VOTE THE BUMS OUT!
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    Kinda off subject but was in a dealership today and all the techs health care went up.Some of these guys voted for Obama so when they complained just told them that this is only the start.
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