I can't believe what I'm watching

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Retailer costs


http://retail.about.com/od/losspreve...nk_sources.htm

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They also bring $$$ supplied by our government.

Ok. That would be a key difference. Your government supplies money. Down here, our productive citizens supply the money and our government siezes it and redistributes it at their whim.

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I think that like Japan in 1941, the socialists among the democratic party have awoken the sleeping giant of american capitalism and conservatism. Those with the means to flee will flee, those with the will to stay and fight will stay and fight.

One of the simple steps we need to take is to revoke the voting rights of those who get massive handouts, like welfare. If the government must be their parent... then they should be treated as a child. That will help cut down on people who vote simply for the promise of additional hand outs.

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Ok. That would be a key difference. Your government supplies money. Down here, our productive citizens supply the money and our government siezes it and redistributes it at their whim.

Like every other country's government does.

In a lot of cases up here it makes me puke just as your current topic is upsetting you.

Our country is about to vote on giving new Canadians access to government old age pensions after 3 years instead of ten years.

Boeing will reap the benefits by building more planes to ship people from India here by 10X current volumes.

I'm glad I'm old . Pity the next generations kids.

FKN cocksuckerfaces , those that are ruining our country.

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I guess I feel about socialists the way that you do about separatists. Imagine you woke up this morning and there was talk (in french) among your lawmakers about funding separatism.

Yeah. See?

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I hope that this stupidity causes a backlash which eliminates nearly all social programs. Handouts cripple those who would have otherwise gotten creative. The concept of needing to be just a little better, earlier, faster, stronger, smarter, or more educated than the next guy to insure your employability is being eroded by the entitlement mindset. We have created a welfare class, and now we own them. The last thing that we need to do is increase the size, scope, and role of our government in the daily needs of the private citizen.

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I guess I feel about socialists the way that you do about separatists. Imagine you woke up this morning and there was talk (in french) among your lawmakers about funding separatism.

Yeah. See?

NO, I agree and understand your upset. Dont miss that point.

I dont know if everyone really understands your current topic though because it really is huge and complicated.

If people are just disregarding it by blindly following partisan rhetoric , thats no good either.

SOMEBODY must feel its of value....it just passed through your government after umpteen years of trying.

From what I see those that voted for it are probably not going to get re elected....so they must believe in it.

[LotoSteve]

I hope that this stupidity causes a backlash which eliminates nearly all social programs. Handouts cripple those who would have otherwise gotten creative. The concept of needing to be just a little better, earlier, faster, stronger, smarter, or more educated than the next guy to insure your employability is being eroded by the entitlement mindset. We have created a welfare class, and now we own them. The last thing that we need to do is increase the size, scope, and role of our government in the daily needs of the private citizen.

Very well said and I hope your right about the sleeping giant.

[Ted]

NO, I agree and understand your upset. Dont miss that point.

I dont know if everyone really understands your current topic though because it really is huge and complicated.

If people are just disregarding it by blindly following partisan rhetoric , thats no good either.

SOMEBODY must feel its of value....it just passed through your government after umpteen years of trying.

From what I see those that voted for it are probably not going to get re elected....so they must believe in it.

Here is what I think the Dems believe. They KNOW that their party was decimated in the 94 elections after they failed to pass healthcare reform. Once this pig in a poke got started they were caught on a roller coaster. They had proposed it and could not let it drop. They think/know that the only thing that might save a few seats in the next election is a win, no matter how ugly. And the only thing that all of them R's and D's, REALLY believe in is re-election. My hope is that they are wrong and the country will spank them until they bleed, then they can go get some socialized medicine to make them feel better. If I was elected to Congress tomorrow I would only sponsor one bill- that Congress, the Senate, etc. was subject to the exact same health care they just wished on the American people.

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"eliminates nearly all social programs"

I know John well enough that that comment is not his true feelings.

And Steve, I hear you and dont disagree re your points about the size of government. My frustrations are government waste, not exclusively their involvement in my life.

The topic I detest more is ripoffs by big business and institutions such as the oil industry, banking, mortgage, etc.

Helping those that cant help themselves isnt a bad thing.

And I too hate helping those that refuse to put any effort into helping themselves.
2 different topics though.

[Airpacker]

I guess I feel about socialists the way that you do about separatists. Imagine you woke up this morning and there was talk (in french) among your lawmakers about funding separatism.

Yeah. See?

Too late John, we already do. We send tax money to the Feds and they give it, LOTS of it to Quebec where represive French language laws and forced French education are the norm. We pay huge salaries and bennies to French politicians to sit in our House of Commons. We pay their wages, their health care and their ridiculous pensions. French politicians who want nothing more than to break up our country.

We also pay farmers NOT to farm, fishermen NOT to fish, loggers NOT to log, miners NOT to mine and so on and so on.

Politicians KNOW better how to spend our hard made earnings than we do. At least, thats what they tell us.

Welcome to the "Shut up and pay" club my friends from south of the border.

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SOMEBODY must feel its of value....it just passed through your government after umpteen years of trying.

Yeah, funny how people in the government favor more power over our lives.
They were bribed with what we call "pork barrel" add-ons to the bill. There were many promises made. It's based on a series of back-door deals and several premises that are extremely unlikely. Bad promises and false premises.

It will make it incredibly difficult for those smallish companies (50-200 employees) to survive.

Does that sound like party rhetoric to you?

Let me rephrase my earlier point so that it is understood:
Eliminate nearly every social program. The line between "tribute" and "charity" has been blurred. If you leave some capital in the hands of the private sector, we can call charity what it is. And it can do what it is meant to do. We don't need the government to do what can be done by allowing capitalism to work. We are creating cripples and chasing away those who were born with the ambition gene, because it is of no value here in the system that the socialists desire.

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Helping those that cant help themselves isnt a bad thing.

That is for you and I to do. The government can't do it better than us. Trust me. I know a little about private philanthropy. I can take a dollar and raise 10. Yes, that is a 10:1 ratio on revenue vs expense. Our government can't acheive 1:10.

[Tommy Gun]

I'm glad I'm old . Pity the next generations kids.

FKN cocksuckerfaces , those that are ruining our country.

Now there is something I agree with. This healthcare debate is not about taking care of the poor; it's about free enterprise vs big gov't; its socialism vs democracy; its about democrats lying thier azzes off to jam thru partisan legislation; its about a gross misrepresentation of the cost to the citizens who will have too pay for it; and what is absoluelty will NOT do is control costs...its a joke. I've aked my counterparts repeatedly to explain how costs will be contained or go down without a single reply beyond "Bush lied so we can, or the R's are worse".

And as for those mfg. jobs we no longer have...unions and gov't regulation; now healthcare has been added to that toxic combo. So I agree...I'm glad I'm old . Pity the next generations kids.

FKN cocksuckerfaces , those that are ruining our country.

[LAriverratt]

And I too hate helping those that refuse to put any effort into helping themselves.
2 different topics though.

I think these problems are intertwined...there is always a grey area in government involvement. they widen that grey area every time they do something... a lot of people living below the "poverty" level her in the USA who receive government aid do not pay taxes...the government does not figure in the money/aid/health care/food stamps/state aid...etc, they receive from the taxpayer as income so what is the actual income of these people??? They seem to be comfortable living aty that rate too me...I see it everyday 200 yards from my business entrance and it's sad to watch these people waste away at the expense of hard working people, they just exist and blame the "system" for their problems. I say pull up your boot straps and you can achieve anything!!! that is the American way that was instilled in me!!!

[OldSchool]

Wait for the next move!!!!!! ...and don't think that its not coming in a BIG way.

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why don't you post Oby's ORIGINAL CAMPAIGN SCHEDULE for us there JayBaby...

then we'll all see the current schedule and see who's the BS artist

come on Jay... find them BOTH and post em

I dare ya

Have you ever had to make a course correction while boating because of unforeseen circumstances? Nitpickers.

Hey, whatever happened to those WMD's?

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Have you ever had to make a course correction while boating because of unforeseen circumstances? Nitpickers.

Hey, whatever happened to those WMD's?

Of course, but I don't lie about where I'm going every time I leave the dock either!!!!

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Have you ever had to make a course correction while boating because of unforeseen circumstances? Nitpickers.

Hey, whatever happened to those WMD's?

"Bush lied so we Democrats have a free pass to be more arrogant, corrupt and dishonest"

Nice logic.

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And for all those "cost" controls in the healthcare bill; hospital stocks are up at market open with no major downward moves in any of the healthcare stocks.

WHAT A JOKE THAT BILL IS.