Old Bertrams

[boatnuts]

Brownie - you are right, it was called a Moppie Camper. I have seen a few those available in recent years. There was also a Baron Camper but I don't know if they actually ever built one. The one I have is just called a Moppie II. In total, they only ever built 30 something of the 24 hull.

[olli]

they built a volkswagen bus themed model of that 24' with a foredeck that lifted, and side canvas that filled in the gap so that you could stand up and pee. Real men pee over the side, even on the trailer.

[boatnuts]

This is the Baron version. It bears a strong resemblance to my Donzi Hornet II. It is what I have used as inspiration for some of the deck and interior modifications.

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[h2oMag]

They built a Volkswagen bus themed model of that 24' with a foredeck that lifted, and side canvas that filled in the gap so that you could stand up and pee. Real men pee over the side, even on the trailer.

Brownie, Right you are, I remember that Bertram with the pop up camper deck. I believe it to was called a Baron too. I looked at one here at the Detroit boat show around 1970. But I never saw one again on Lake St Clair.

[Brownie]

I was riding in the original Hornet when it either swapped ends, or blew over backwards. I'll never forget it.

[boatnuts]

Brownie - lots of power or crazy driver or both? Original Hornet was 19 feet long and 19 degree V. Hornet II 20'4" long and 22 degree V.

[lucky strike]

Keith Also throttled for Howard Quam in his 38 Bertram Flap Jack - am not sure if he throttled in the Active cat too

Phil

Keith & Vince Vento in the cat

[Brownie]

It was the original Hull #1 that I raced in the 1964 Miami-Key West. I sold to George Newman, who insisted that I ride with him in his first race. Bad idea...........

[thedonz]

My grandfather has a 25 Bertram that he takes care of like if it was his 2nd wife. That boat is built solid. One time he was docking it behind the house in the keys and the throttles got stuck and he hit sea wall HARD. The first thing that came to his head was " mi bote se hodio" which mean my boat got f@#@ up. NOTHING besides a little scrape on the gel coat...Amazing

[boatnuts]

This 24 is well built also. The stringers are similar to the old Cigarette's that were 1/2 plywood core heavily wet wound in mat and roving before being placed in the hull. This boat is 39 years old and no moisture in the plywood deck core anywhere. A tiny part of the transom in the lower V showed ever so slight mosture when it was routed to remove and close the old outdrive hole. The rest of the transom core was dry and new looking plywood. When I removed the last 4 feet of the small center keelson in the engine well it was dry in the core as well. Not bad!!

[boatnuts]

Brownie - A while back on one of the Bertram boards there was suggestion that the 24 foot hull was first done in the mid 60's and was a collaberation of Jim Wynn and Ray Hunt and was actually raced atleast once. Is this possible?

[gcarter]

We often forget that Ray Hunt invented and patented the 24* Deep Vee hull in the 1950's http://www.huntdesigns.com/deepv.htm .
And that Dick Bertramm was probably the first "developer" to recognize the potential of this hull form, again in the late '50's.
In fact, Bertram started his boat business based on Hunt's designs.
Now in reference to the 24, and a question I've had, is when did the day-to-day relationship between Dick and Ray end?

[gcarter]

I might add that most of the Hunt designs had a round keel, and this 24 is a sharp Vee.

[BUIZILLA]

if it's a center console, i'll take it

[insanity]

If anybody is interested in a complete basket case 20' Bertram w/title on a trailer send me a PM. Boat is located in MI.
Price is $1.00, yep one US dollar.

I'd like pics and info if you have it.

[Lee]

Not a center console.
PM me your email address and I can send some cell phone pics.

[6500steve54]

I'm just outside of Toledo. I'll take it. Call me @ 419-693-9379 home,
or 419-276-6484 cell. Thanks Steve

[BUIZILLA]

u sure that's a Bert?

[Lee]

Sold

[h2oMag]

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