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[Chris]

Okay, I will refine my comment. "The worst-ever president of modern times"

The difference between GOD and Obama: GOD doesn't think He is Obama.

I equate Obama getting the NPP with: Driving your Cigarette past Chief Engines on its trailer and considering the engines freshened-up by Tommy.

I hate to keep popping back, but even with Obama's mis-steps, he's nowhere near Jimmy Carter. Or Lyndon Johnson. Carter literally buried us economically. And his bumbling with the Iran hostage thing... Johnson and his handling of the Vietnam war? A true American tragedy.

As far as the God complex- just to get to the office, let alone do the job with any effectiveness, you have to possess an insatiable ego. And with that comes that God complex. All successful people share that common trait- self-confidence. Before you can convince the majority of 100 million voters that you and no other person among the 200 million plus Americans qualified to be president are the one best suited for the job, you have to believe it yourself.

The Nobel Prize sounds good to anyone that doesn't understand the history, background or process in awarding it.

[Edward R. Cozzi]

+1 Chris

The thing that astounds is why normally reasonable people believe they can act as a zealot (on any issue) and believe they can convince large groups of people to change their point of view.

A zealot has zero credibility in my book.

Just because a person has an opinion different from yours doesn't make him a "zealot". I couldn't personally care less if anybody changes their mind due to my opinion. You will continue to be astounded if you keep making generalizations like this, friend.

[Edward R. Cozzi]

I hate to keep popping back, but even with Obama's mis-steps, he's nowhere near Jimmy Carter. Or Lyndon Johnson. Carter literally buried us economically. And his bumbling with the Iran hostage thing... Johnson and his handling of the Vietnam war? A true American tragedy.

As far as the God complex- just to get to the office, let alone do the job with any effectiveness, you have to possess an insatiable ego. And with that comes that God complex. All successful people share that common trait- self-confidence. Before you can convince the majority of 100 million voters that you and no other person among the 200 million plus Americans qualified to be president are the one best suited for the job, you have to believe it yourself.

The Nobel Prize sounds good to anyone that doesn't understand the history, background or process in awarding it.

As bad as they were, we SURVIVED Carter and Johnson. I'm not so sure this will be true about Barry.

[Steve 1]

Dude I can’t resist Arafat got one, the inventor of Aircraft hijacking and other things like the murder of Leon Klinghoffer who was pushed into the sea in his wheelchair ,Thousands of cold blooded savage killings that is what that Award now stands for.

[Edward R. Cozzi]

I was accused by a typical Obama supporter of resenting him being the president because I am a racist.

My reply was: "Not true, oh toothless, unemployed, non-bather. If THAT was true I'd only HALF resent him" :-)

(This is a joke meant solely to entertain.)

[Chris]

As bad as they were, we SURVIVED Carter and Johnson. I'm not so sure this will be true about Barry.

Every time we get a new president the other side cries tothe heavens about our impending demise. It happened when Clinton took office, it happened when GWB took office and it's now happened again.

Fortunately, presidents aren't as powerful as people believe. In fact, on domestic issues they're at the mercy of Congress. That's why typically they get bored with the day-to-day arm wrestling of domestic politics and turn their attention to international issues. Goes back to that ego thing- it's no fun being the most powerful man in the world if you can't use it. And if Congress says no...

More importantly, presidents and congresspeople may be voted in by individuals, but they're elected by supporters- financial contributors. and even though Obama can lay claim to getting large sums of his campaign funds in small denominations from individuals, there's still a whole bunch of big donors. And it's his job to keep that machine running to fund those Senate, House and gubernatorial races as well. So while he may have some deeply felt emotion about bringing the US to a socialist-type state, he's got people to answer to- and those people need to have their income machines protected. So the concept of him fiddling while Rome burns misses on a couple of points.

We have a finite number of dollars to go around. And the argument really boils down to where they go.

Do you know who benefits most from the new health care programs? The biggest employers. They're buried in underfunded pension liabilities. Nationalized healthcare could bring many of them out from under that burden- and shift it to the small and medium sized corporations. You want to go conspiracy hunting? Go back to Hillarycare and look at who was her biggest allies behind the scenes.

[Steve 1]

Every time we get a new president the other side cries tothe heavens about our impending demise. It happened when Clinton took office, it happened when GWB took office and it's now happened again.

Fortunately, presidents aren't as powerful as people believe. In fact, on domestic issues they're at the mercy of Congress. That's why typically they get bored with the day-to-day arm wrestling of domestic politics and turn their attention to international issues. Goes back to that ego thing- it's no fun being the most powerful man in the world if you can't use it. And if Congress says no...

More importantly, presidents and congresspeople may be voted in by individuals, but they're elected by supporters- financial contributors. and even though Obama can lay claim to getting large sums of his campaign funds in small denominations from individuals, there's still a whole bunch of big donors. And it's his job to keep that machine running to fund those Senate, House and gubernatorial races as well. So while he may have some deeply felt emotion about bringing the US to a socialist-type state, he's got people to answer to- and those people need to have their income machines protected. So the concept of him fiddling while Rome burns misses on a couple of points.

We have a finite number of dollars to go around. And the argument really boils down to where they go.

Do you know who benefits most from the new health care programs? The biggest employers. They're buried in underfunded pension liabilities. Nationalized healthcare could bring many of them out from under that burden- and shift it to the small and medium sized corporations. You want to go conspiracy hunting? Go back to Hillarycare and look at who was her biggest allies behind the scenes.

OK 8 out of 10 Americans work for small business and that is where this is headed.

[rbhudelson]

Just because a person has an opinion different from yours doesn't make him a "zealot". I couldn't personally care less if anybody changes their mind due to my opinion. You will continue to be astounded if you keep making generalizations like this, friend.

Um, zealotry goes WAY beyond having a difference in opinion. I guess i just falsely assumed that all the banter, on both sides, was designed to convince others of their way of thought. But, I think I have learned by your reply that it is nothing more than people that want to complain and polarize about/an issue yet do nothing to fix it.

the point i was making, which was obviously lost on a few of you, is it is always better to negotiate/convince from the center than the sides - regardless as to what your personal beliefs are.

but that is just my opinion - flame away - it doesn't bother me.

[Wobble]

Fiction

OK 8 out of 10 Americans work for small business and that is where this is headed.

Fact: about half of employees work for small business. http://web.sba.gov/faqs/faqIndexAll.cfm?areaid=24

[Steve 1]

Fiction


Fact: about half of employees work for small business. http://web.sba.gov/faqs/faqIndexAll.cfm?areaid=24

Right Add the Farms and sole proprietorships with one employee, that number comes up.

[Wobble]

Right Add the Farms and sole proprietorships with one employee, that number comes up.

I think you will find that agricultural employees for firms with less than 500 employees are included as would be any other small business.

[Steve 1]

I think you will find that agricultural employees for firms with less than 500 employees are included as would be any other small business.

Nice try there but that will not work.

[Edward R. Cozzi]

[QUOTE=Chris;420736]Every time we get a new president the other side cries tothe heavens about our impending demise. It happened when Clinton took office, it happened when GWB took office and it's now happened again.

I just can't remember a previous administration that quadrupled the deficit, (mortgaging our great grandchildrens future) within the first year in office, AND weakening our military budget to the point that we are more vulnerable than ever to attacks due to cutbacks of our intelligence gathering mechanisms. Do we have to have another 9/11 to wake-up this guy? It is my opinion he is soft on the Muslims.

Note: Nobody is to be influenced by me expressing my opinion, lest I be labeled a "zealot". When I was much younger I was a "hellion", but I'm not sure that applies here.

[clayinaustin]

I just can't remember a previous administration that quadrupled the deficit, (mortgaging our great grandchildrens future) within the first year in office, AND weakening our military budget to the point that we are more vulnerable than ever to attacks due to cutbacks of our intelligence gathering mechanisms. Do we have to have another 9/11 to wake-up this guy? It is my opinion he is soft on the Muslims.

You forget that 9/11 happened while Bush was in office. The Shoe bomber and other terrorist activities also happened under the Bush administration.

[Edward R. Cozzi]

You forget that 9/11 happened while Bush was in office. The Shoe bomber and other terrorist activities also happened under the Bush administration.

Clay:
I understand that, but before 9/11 did we ever think something like that could happen on American soil to innocent Americans? Were not the other terrorist activities unsuccessful because of the heightened awareness we had during the rest of the Bush administration? I still think 9/11 would have never happened had Bill Clinton acted on Oliver North's intel about Bin Laden. Had we killed Bin Laden like Ollie wanted us to, the funding would have dried-up. Can't pull something like 9/11 with no dough.

[Chris]

I just can't remember a previous administration that quadrupled the deficit, (mortgaging our great grandchildrens future) within the first year in office, AND weakening our military budget to the point that we are more vulnerable than ever to attacks due to cutbacks of our intelligence gathering mechanisms. Do we have to have another 9/11 to wake-up this guy? It is my opinion he is soft on the Muslims..

Carter did some pretty significant damage to our economy.

Reagan spent quite a few $$ too. Crushing the Soviets without shooting and bombing them was very expensive. It was masked by a tremendous economic expansion fuelled by our transition from an almost exclusively manufacturing and agricultural economy and moving into technology. Take a look at the stock market growth curve from 1960 to present and you'll see a graphic illustration. Without that boom, we might have found ourselves in a pinch.

[JupiterSunsation]

Fiction


Fact: about half of employees work for small business. http://web.sba.gov/faqs/faqIndexAll.cfm?areaid=24

yeah and the other 1/2 work for the GOVERNMENT!

[Wobble]

yeah and the other 1/2 work for the GOVERNMENT!

According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, government accounts for about 8% of jobs in the United States. Here's the breakdown using numbers easily accessible on the BLS website (all numbers from 2006 or 2007):

1,774,000 Federal government civilian employees, excluding Post Office
615,000 Post Office
1,172,913 Military enlisted
230,577 Military Officers
2,424,000 State government (excluding education and hospitals)
5,594,000 Local government (excluding education and hospitals)

That's a total of 11,810,490 government jobs.

The total number of jobs in the U.S. in 2006 was 150,600,000, so government employment makes up 7.84% of all jobs.

In 2007, the U.S. population (according to the Census Bureau) was 301,621,157, so about 4% of Americans are employed by the government.


The other 40% work for big business.

[jayboat]

Just because a person has an opinion different from yours doesn't make him a "zealot". I couldn't personally care less if anybody changes their mind due to my opinion. You will continue to be astounded if you keep making generalizations like this, friend.

No offense, Ed... but posting a thread like this reeks of anti-Obama zealotry.

Ranting about him 'losing' the freaking Olympics is beyond ridiculous at every level.

[Edward R. Cozzi]

No offense, Ed... but posting a thread like this reeks of anti-Obama zealotry.

Ranting about him 'losing' the freaking Olympics is beyond ridiculous at every level.

Didn't he go to Copenhagen to attempt to get the Olympic committee to choose Chicago for the games? He made a personal appearance JUST LIKE he did for Coakley and the other Democratic candidates who subsequently LOST their elections. I just don't see how this is a stretch at all.

Come on Jay. Admit you were sucked-in by the Messiah and his BS. If you had been in Chicago for the post victory party, would you too have been chanting: "obamaaaa, obamaaaa" like the mindless followers there thinking they had a free ride for life? Did you actually believe the rhetoric? Do you think the things the dems have been doing are actually GOOD for this country? Do you believe in GOD, Jay? Do you believe in ME, Jay? Do you WANT the United States of America to become a socialist nation? Do you think we're better off with a government controlling our health care that can't even run the agencies they already control?

Jay, I'm losing it here. PLEASE I need your answers so I can continue with my life. I don't want to be labelled a zealot because the wrong party is in control. HELP ME!!!!!!!!