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01-01-2010 11:09 AMWith a reliable power to weight ratio system any engine can be allowed. The emphasis will move from high cost sealed rebuilds to real world technologies such as:
fuel mileage
Extending torque peaks
packaging
I would put an engine claim on this out of the box. This will keep super high dollar equipment from pricing most out of the race.
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01-01-2010 11:19 AMWell Steve you woke up frisky this morning...way to much information lol
Have a great New Year my friend.
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01-01-2010 11:39 AM
happy new year there steve,,
IMCO #10- 2009 National Champions
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01-01-2010 11:43 AM
i don,t think the claim rule ever did anything but,,,let the lazy man with a lot of money buy the motor that beat him,take to his stupid engine builder , to tear it down and find out what he didn,t know...
I would put an engine claim on this out of the box. This will keep super high dollar equipment from pricing most out of the race.IMCO #10- 2009 National Champions
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01-01-2010 11:57 AMI agree when you are racing only BBC or SBC or similar. In P1 you have diesel's etc. A current GM LQ series SBC could really be the ticket here. But do you want $50K engines in SVL? The cool think is with this a guy could build up a junk yard dog (old hp 500 carb or whatever) and race on budget with little startup cost.
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01-01-2010 12:02 PMThanks same to you!
I have been watching the strain gauge concept and really like it. Previously this was too cost prohibitive, bulky and finnicky. This eliminates many loopholes and let's you see what everyone has on raceday during the race.
While it does not eliminate manufacturers it is also not dependant on them either.
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01-01-2010 12:08 PM
i agree ,we need and want all the racers to be able to race svl AND stay,,if a big money guy tried to ruin it,,that would run off the entry level guy..it,s real easy to put in the rules no small blocks and current marine v-8 big blocks,,,we can,t look into the furture and say what if,,,but we CAN fix it when someone shows up with a new widget..that is what happend with the big boats,,10 guys with money all built one of a kind cats and monster v,s and all got their own class...the answer is DON,T ASSUME,,ASK BEFORE YOU BUILD.
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01-01-2010 03:19 PMWhats the cost of a new motor with headers aprox 575HP
Mec 525
Illmore
Vortec
Cobra
Teague
and any others
Im sure there could be some deals made but what are the cost if the average guy went in and bought one at dealer cost for racing?
I believe the Merc is aprox 35k.
Any motor builders out there that might want to show case there product this might be a good time to chime in.
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01-01-2010 03:41 PMRandy,
Isnt that what you guys have already, only difference is open it up to other motor builders, and not just merc like u have it now.That is something you guys can do right now to get the other builders excited in Offshore. Simalar to what was done in F1 when Merc, Innovation and Tyler were building motors for the class, seemed to work well.
If a builder has spec's he needs to follow it open it up to all of them. Just need a dyno sheet with the HP and torque.
In SVU we have Merc's , Ilmors, and Cobra's....Our class is open to any builder and that how Cobra got interested in Racing again.
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01-01-2010 05:37 PMMerc is less than that with drive and gimbal. Retail may be that but I doubt anyone pays near that. You can buy Vortec for $11K with headers. I have one at 148 hours. I think if Ilmor still had any 575's they might be mid 20's. Also remember your selling a used engine, if you get claimed you can get a new one. I have budget so for me cost means less. With that said for the class to succeed you want the cost as low as possible.
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01-01-2010 05:52 PMAre there not key components of any engine, easily verifiable, that would allow the small backyard builder, but eliminate any chance for cheating? Such as;
Exhaust, throttle body or injectors, block castings, head castings, and engine controllers?
Or can everything be circumvented with enough money?Getting bad advice is unfortunate, taking bad advice is a Serious matter!!
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01-01-2010 06:12 PMSteve I agree keep the cost as low as possable is key for the SVL class. But with that being said skimpping on a low budget backyard motor for halph price will only cost you 5 times as much in the long run. Just watch many of the P class boats with there own motor builders that dont finish a race or blow them up one after another. WOT on a race boat at 5400 RPM is no place for cheap motors. We all hate it if we go into guardian mode but it has saved me every time. Im afraid in an effort to save money we could be putting teams at a higher risk of costing them more money. Just my opinion. On the other side it might attract more teams up front.
MD