Apache Free-for-all Thread

[Geronimo36]

I'm hungry today.... May stop at the bakery and pick up a few Napleon's on the way home!

[Magnum Mark]

lmao!! Yes.

be cool! Might be a guy in a brown truck looking for you..............rumor has it...............m.m....

[Davidmnc]

be cool! Might be a guy in a brown truck looking for you..............rumor has it...............m.m....

UPS?

[catastrophe]

Maybe not. I would love to see it laid out so we can all understand better.

Why ?? When did it become anyones business other than those that participated?

[Davidmnc]

Why ?? When did it become anyones business other than those that participated?

You are correct. It is none of my business. But I think it would help every one understand how things went down. If he wants respect from the boards he needs to set the redord strait with facts and dates. IMHO

[Davidmnc]

Thanks for your response and answering the questions. That really clears it up for me and will help with my research and subsequent presentation to the BOD of this website concerning your pending ICON status. We'll get back to you.

On this topic............Have you guys voted on my Legendary Post Whore status yet?

[catastrophe]

You are correct. It is none of my business. But I think it would help every one understand how things went down. If he wants respect from the boards he needs to set the redord strait with facts and dates. IMHO

Didnt say it wasnt your business. Wasnt directed at you. Its no ones business.

Its quite obvious the gentleman will not receive that which you refer to here even if every single document was laid out on the table.

I've watched this crap rehashed 20 times.

Life would be better served if everyone just made sure their Christmas shopping was done.

The whole topic is so old it's got dinosour sh!t on it.

[Davidmnc]

Didnt say it wasnt your business. Wasnt directed at you. Its no ones business.

Its quite obvious the gentleman will not receive that which you refer to here even if every single document was laid out on the table.

I've watched this crap rehashed 20 times.

Life would be better served if everyone just made sure their Christmas shopping was done.

The whole topic is so old it's got dinosour sh!t on it.

LOL. Guess I have not been around long enough to have been through it. And it only took one ride in the Chief to convince me that Apaches are the chit!

[Magnum Mark]

do you think if ben were to somehow get paroled one day, that he would have any interest in boats again?

interesting question.......he would probably grow locally.....m.m......ps..rumor has it he still is in the boat biz...ft meyers i heard..

[DollaBill]

LOL. Guess I have not been around long enough to have been through it. And it only took one ride in the Chief to convince me that Apaches are the chit!

Apaches are the sh!t. AND this subject is as old as Stecz's last gf. I'm tired of hearing the same crap for years

[Magnum Mark]

Apaches are the sh!t. AND this subject is as old as Stecz's last gf. I'm tired of hearing the same crap for years

my 35 cig awesome was heavy......would outrun my 41 in the rough stuff.....the apache ride varies based on ind weight..they run from 6500 lbs to 14,000..that i know of....not apples to apples....but then again what do i know...........m.m..

[Coolerman]

everyone knows apache was a cig knock-off anyways....... Just add extra weight, and wala, you have an apache!

[cashbrain]

Maybe not. I would love to see it laid out so we can all understand better.

Ok...

I was looking at one of Bobby's 33' Apache's,El Boss, and developed a relationship with Bob
One day I asked him about the rights and what was going with them and he told me that they were a loss.

I talked to Steve Lieberman,Bob's atty, and he told me that the case that McMnaus had initiated was coming to a deadline.

Spoke to Bob and we made an agreement about the rights. My atty prepared all the docs, Bobby signed and I owned the rights.

Todd Cimino claimed Apache, we stopped him with a cease and desist order
( after his atty did a search and found them valid)

The McManus suit was challenged with the USPTO,so it was on hold.

6 months to maybe a year(not sure),Thad entered the picture.

We met Bobby in a hotel downtown and put the deal together(I protested with the amount Thad was going to pay for Cherokee,but, he viewed it as good faith)

Thad bought all the assets of Cherokee and since we had an arrangement with my ownership of the rights, I was part of the deal.

Thad and I had a falling out(because he's a dope) and I pulled out of the deal.

Thad made me an offer for the rights, Bobby got his $$, and they started Apache

I was out of the deal completely...then Thad moved to a huge building, hired Butt head Steve and they were on their way.

Not sure who left first..Bobby or Stinson, but they both left and good ol Steve gutted Apache, just like he tried to to Danny Wienstein with Power Play

Apparently, somewhere in that time, Thad's atty noticed that my atty screwed up with the assignment and the number was incorrect. Thad had no recourse, Bobby had left...Thad was on his own.
Thad threw me under the bus all over the net and threatened me..all kinds of crap. If he would have been a gentleman, I would have worked with him, but...he chose the low road.

That is when McManus wound up going to the USPTO and they awarded him the rights because there was no one to defend the suit. I could have challenged McManus and stopped the suit, but, had no interest and he was awarded to trademark and name.


If we would have stayed in Bobby's original shop, it would have worked. Thad listened to the wrong people and burned every single bridge along the way..

Another chapter of Apache history down the drain...

[catastrophe]

Apaches are the sh!t. AND this subject is as old as Stecz's last gf. I'm tired of hearing the same crap for years

Cant comment on whether they are good or bad. Only exposure I've had are the 2 that ran out of Buffalo a few years back . Two brothers owned them and brought them up to PRA runs 10 years ago.
The boats always drew a crowd though. My friends on here talk of them like they are Gods gift and I respect their opinions so there must be something to them.
I suspect its mostly nostalgia that keeps all this at the fore.

I agree on the repetitiveness of the topic but disagree re your reference to Stecz's last GF. Stecz's last GF turned out to be a guy.

[Magnum Mark]

everyone knows apache was a cig knock-off anyways....... Just add extra weight, and wala, you have an apache!

not a knockoff..a cigarette....sold in the mold to saccienti/kramer apache....with the 35 and 46 wide magnum type superboat molds...cigarette had them for awhile...anyone remember...4 trs 280s.........m.m..

[cashbrain]

MM..You're a riot. Look closely gentleman..that is Thad in the passenger seat.
Mark did his part for Bobby !! LOL

[CarBiz]

Yes! That was the boat that ran with us during the Lorain run.

Can i add that it is a Bad MOFO as well

[Magnum Mark]

mm..you're a riot. Look closely gentleman..that is thad in the passenger seat.
Mark did his part for bobby !! Lol

thad already had the needle in his vien.........this ride pushed in the plunger............hooked!!!!!!!!!!!!!he went from the pipe to the needle in 1 ride.......m.m..

[DollaBill]

Cant comment on whether they are good or bad. Only exposure I've had are the 2 that ran out of Buffalo a few years back . Two brothers owned them and brought them up to PRA runs 10 years ago.
The boats always drew a crowd though. My friends on here talk of them like they are Gods gift and I respect their opinions so there must be something to them.
I suspect its mostly nostalgia that keeps all this at the fore.

I agree on the repetitiveness of the topic but disagree re your reference to Stecz's last GF. Stecz's last GF turned out to be a guy.

LOL. excellent point.

As far as the boats.. I've been in, on and around just about everything. And I'd love a 41

[fund razor]

When did it become anyones business other than those that participated?

Jack has a way of bringing it up.