OK, I just made the transition to a complete MSD ignition/distributor and I am re-reading the manual and they (MSD) recommend for engines less than 10.5 to 1 compression to run spark plug gaps of .050"-.060".
I have run.035" in everything from 9 to 1 motors to the one 11 to 1 engine (24' Warlock)I had several years ago.
I have to admit I must not fully understand the need to gap the plugs based on compression. I thought it had more to do with plug location in the chamber and whether you have a tight chamber vs. a big chamber.
I am just a tick above 9 to 1 with my current cometic gaskets but I have relatively tight chambers (78cc). Should I be gapping my plugs to .050"-.060"?
Thread: .060" spark plug gap?
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10-15-2009 02:42 PM32' Fever (Off to Syracuse) and 36"Gladiator; FORD powered
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10-15-2009 04:54 PMNot sure if it matters either but I've been doing .045 on my MSD setup.
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10-16-2009 06:59 AM
I did alot of research last year, but more toward heat ranges with a blower motor combo. I talked to an Autolite tech a couple times, and recall the saying "blowing out the spark", thats where the tighter gap is necessary. All or most of the Autolite racing plugs come with a .025/.035 gap. He also mentioned bigger gaps and emmisions, but did say keep a tighter gap in the boat engines(or any high performance engine) to help prevent misfires.
I would look up Autolite's website or call them. Their AR(racing) plugs have a thick shell, cut back electrodes and a fair price(under $3). They also cover a ton of heat ranges. Plus being a Ford guy, you should know Autolite makes all the Motorcraft plugs.
If I had to guess about MSD wanting a larger gap, I would say that the stronger spark will jump the larger gap, and smaller gaps may wear out a plug faster. But you want no misfires or a loading up condition at idle and such, plus I'm sure new plugs get put in every season, so your not going to wear out a plug.
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10-16-2009 08:50 AMwhen you have higher compression the actual cylinder pressure goes up. this in turn makes the air/fuel mixture more dense. the more dense atmosphere is harder for the spark to jump accross. it is as if it had to jump farther in th open. this is why your spark will jump accross a 1/2" spark checker and only a .040" plug gap. the higher the compression the smaller the gap it can theoretically jump accross.
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10-16-2009 09:18 AMThe MSD recomendation is all for car engines,,not for Boat motors.
.35 is a good overall #, in my 12:1 COMPR. Engine i run .35 !!!!!!Last edited by DAREDEVIL; 10-16-2009 at 04:45 PM.
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10-16-2009 12:40 PMIMCO, I could see the bigger gap helping idle quality with the CD ignition.
When I opened up my gaps from 35 to 45 I noticed less wear/tear on the MSD dist. caps where the rotor hits the coil lead.
I never noticed any differnce in how it ran but did notice the wear on the cap.
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10-16-2009 03:04 PM
10.5 to 1 is considered low compression in the racing world. The plug fires easily over a large gap that low. The higher compression or boost will make it harder to fire so you have to narrow it down from there. I think an MSD will fire almost anything at .035. That said, I gap mine at .040 because the plugs don't look like they were made to have the gap opened any farther. The angle between the electrode and the strap looks wrong.
Big boats rule!
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10-16-2009 04:10 PM
I believe Autolite and NGK make plugs for wider gaps.
Regardless, I have always ran .035-.040 in about everything and it seems to work.
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10-16-2009 08:30 PM
We used to test gap on the dyno, open up until misfire than back down .005 or .010, much cleaner low end & idle.
Back in the day there was a gapping pliers that would help keep the ground electrode @ 90 deg.
.045 was where we wound up with the MSD.
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10-17-2009 10:53 AM
I run a Marine DUI HEI distributor at .050 with AC rapid fire plugs. I run 8.9 comp and never had a mis.
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10-17-2009 02:55 PM
Last edited by MikeyFIN; 10-17-2009 at 03:04 PM.
Offshore Racing wasn´t designed to be a spectator sport, it's for people or companies with's lots of money to push the envelope of endurance technology and hopefully put a trophy on a mantle. It's man vs the elements, not like boats with like engines running in circles.
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Offshore Racing wasn´t designed to be a spectator sport, it's for people or companies with's lots of money to push the envelope of endurance technology and hopefully put a trophy on a mantle. It's man vs the elements, not like boats with like engines running in circles.
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Offshore Racing wasn´t designed to be a spectator sport, it's for people or companies with's lots of money to push the envelope of endurance technology and hopefully put a trophy on a mantle. It's man vs the elements, not like boats with like engines running in circles.
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10-17-2009 06:33 PM
I was told the larger the gap more it put alot of load on the ignition,Its suppose to make a bigger spark.
Just think most plugs are made for around .035, that means your bending the ground electrode up.So it will have a angle .To me if its flat like at 035 it will use all of the flat surface on the center electrode and the same area of the ground electrode,with it bent up I would think it would make ground contact at the edge of the center electrode,being a smaller spark.
Hows that sound
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I don't know if you all remember when MSD came out with there box, they had a test fixture to show the spark.The speed shop here had one on display showing the difference between stock at the MSD,the fixture had a adjustable gap.it would spark around 4 inches,ya could lite you cig with it.
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10-17-2009 06:34 PM
When I set the engine up I thought is was more like 9.3 to 1. However when I switched over to a roller cam RMbuilder ran the numbers and it was really 8.9 to 1 when you figure in gaskets and all the variables. A lot of people probably think their compresion is higher than it really is. We really do not have good enough fuel available to run higher comp anyway.
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10-18-2009 01:43 AM