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Good stuff smallblock, esp the one with 3 side by side by side. Nice.

Great pictures, thanks for sharing!

Probably gets pretty decent mpg though.

I was going to make a negative remark after watching the YouTube video of the bass boat guy trying to jump the wake in a (mostly) flat bottom boat to the effect of "Der, flat bottom, skips like a...

A few more...I am standing in the starboard bolster in the last pic of Predator leaving the harbor in Virgina Beach on our way out to make a few passes up and down the beach. Ed Toth in the center,...

Some pics of Predator from back in 1992

Well, when I met Ed Toth at the Virginia Beach race in 92 he did say I could buy the whole rig, Predator, trailer and his F-350 truck for $250,000. Still haven't won the lottery so I will have to...

OK, thanks for the information. Don't want to get someone upset.

Fund Razor, no, that isn't my boat. That is a picture of Predator, an Apache 41. I rode it her in 92 at Virginia Beach when she was owned by Ed Toth and powered by Herb Stotler engines. That picture...

So Ted, not trying to stir up trouble in the pot, this thread does have Apache in it after all, but you wrote Bertram designed the hulls? Just learning new things every day.

How similar are Apache and Cigarette hulls? I have never been between the two hulls to go back and forth on land, but they look very close. Both were designed by Mr. Aronow, right? And Formula too?...

What is the best alignment for the props at speed? Having half the prop coming out of the water?

Is it best to have the bullet of the drive in line with the bottom of the hull at neutral trim? If so, are the props "surface piercing?

Makes sense. Predator had crash boxes, interesting to have to stop, change gears, and restart. Is the trans mounted directly behind the engine or on the transom? Did I read correctly that a lot of...

Good stuff, thanks. So, why isn't it called narrow and wide stagger? In a full race boat a short stagger would be best because the drives are closer and lower, right? Are there any books or articles...

Whats the difference between a long and short stagger? The distance from the transom to the engine? Also, is there a minimum distance the props need to be apart? Obviously they cant touch, but if...

I just checked out the You Tube video of Predator. Nice. I have a LOT of pics I took in the dry pits at the Atlantic City race, as soon as I scan them I will post them.

I have enjoyed seeing all the pics of the Apaches you guys have posted. I am a fan of Apache, probably never own one unless that lottery ticket in my wallet is a winner, but I enjoy seeing the boats...