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Maybe i messed the latest news, but i wanted to keep up to date on how the boat ran/runs. How did it do wherever it went? Anybody have any updates? New pics? Video footage?

Any info would be...

What ever happened to Art Lilly? What is he doing now?

As we get older we tend to see things differently...i am sure most of us have done something like this in our past. Its all exciting and on the line until something goes wrong - but then, we all...

I am always busy...thanks for asking!

It's good to see some enthusiasm in these times - GOOD LUCK!

http://www.tradeonlytoday.com/component/content/article/4-features/504038-startup-sees-logic-in-contrarian-timing
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Very interesting and i see you point of being "too light" may be a concern. But, if it is designed and engineered around a particular weight, don't you think the issues can be overcome through design...

T2x, what is YOUR personal view about the differences of wood versus fiberglass in the fact that steve1 claims the exact same things you do about wood, only he uses glass. Not starting a war of...

Dude, whatever is exactly right - post it on OSO and see what he says. I'll bet you lunch!:USA:

Interesting.

he never owned this cig...Sugar was a our one and only!

Sorry boys, Sugar was OUR boat - first owned and named by a man named Dr. Wayne Lee and then my father purchased it from the doc - to the best of my knowledge, Magnum Mark's Magnum was named Magnum...

I would guess that the #57 stood for a fallen racer who he respected...but just a guess!:driving:

General, the paperwork wasn't the real issue. The reason the boats became so well known was because of their meticulous attention to detail, which most everything had to be approved by Dan before...

In my opinion, Dan may have built a great boat in its day, but there are a lot of advancements and enhancements that would make for a much better performing vee hull, after all, the PP was a typical...

WHY? Why not build something better? Straighter, faster, better?
Just Curious...i like 55' Chevy;s, but wouldn't want to retool one!

Here is the video of us running in the race, it was a handful with the #5 drive in that small of a boat...i didn't have the Apache money, so the footage is from a friend of mine in a rented Cessna...

if any of you followed offshore racing, you will notice a familiar face there...he went on to be a strong competitor and our boat was his first ride...his employer sponsored us and all he wanted was...

I never did away with the step, i sold out my interest in the business before the production molds were complete and the boat ran well without the step and they did not understand the importance of...

Since i built that boat in 1985/86 and set an unofficial speed record in Fort Myers, DO YOU THINK THEY COPIED OUR DESIGN? Who else was building a stepped boat back then?
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The very first Apache 22. I painted it purple and silver and that was around 84, so purple wasn't popular then and Bob Saccenti gave me hell - then, everyone liked it and we did several more. We...

And here is ANOTHER variation of the Shadow/Apache, but with major changes. We used the Apache 22 hull as the plug, but widened the pad, widened the strakes, changed the angle on the strakes,...

That is exactly right. I went and purchased the hull without deck to be used as a plug for Dan from a guy named Dean, cannot remember his last name, but he bought the original "popped" molds off...

Does anyone "really" know where the 25 PP evolved from?

There is a guy by the name T2X who knows all...and was involved from the beginning and design up,,,,my understanding is the Chris was designed more for I/O power and the Shadow was for the O/B power,...

Look at how much this bad-boys cost with the all dependable 280 TRS setup - 63-65 MPH all day long!