Popeye-La Tortuga 44' - The giants of the seventies

This is a few pictures of our current project.
The first image you see is the line drawing:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2...2242009016.jpg

The wooden form:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2...42009004-1.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2...2242009003.jpg

The Two-Strake Molds:
1, Narrow
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2...2242009013.jpg
2, Widened
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2...2242009015.jpg


Pictures of the boat complete/running:
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2...2242009001.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2...2242009002.jpg

Current Drive-System Projects:
Boat in this photo is 66'; 128,000lbs; twin 1000 cats and CAL500 drives.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2...2242009009.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2...2242009011.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2...2242009012.jpg

.......More shots to come........

Looking in my archive I have found this only photo that withdraws 44' Dumbo to his presentation to the Fiera della Nautica di Genova(Genua Boat Show) I believe in 1975.
The poster says -Unpublished M & S 44'-.

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Originally Posted by Black Tornado

Looking in my archive I have found this only photo that withdraws 44' Dumbo to his presentation to the Fiera della Nautica di Genova(Genua Boat Show) I believe in 1975.
The poster says -Unpublished M & S 44'-.

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yes marco this is the boat that raced against doc. carlo bonomi in the summer before this show . the red daffy duck msv 40 was built later. the 40 was the original order of mr bruno mentasti of aqua mineriale san pellegrino milano . enrico wanted the newest and fastest boat . he took over the project and add more overdrive ratio and turbos and better props by rolla.Iam trying to find fotos of daffy duck project,maybe they are in europe. this boat was by far the fastest . mr carimati was to challenge the uim speed record , but was then in divorce and canceled.OTAM SPA. ran the sea trials near Porto fino . I will try to get copies. The M&S was miller and saccenti 72 until 76 then we added V when jon varese bought out mr visconsi. Mr visconsi requested his name only on the race boats. ciao sonny BTW thats magnum marines booth

This is MSV Celebrity 38 Brochure. This boat also used the MSV 38 hull as the same as Cobra.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2...e/brochure.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2...rochure001.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2...rochure002.jpg
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2...rochure003.jpg

Sonny,are the same type of boats of thats last two of the post #100?
What means 'CAL500'?

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Originally Posted by CAL500

the normal bpm v 12 is 620 on low octane fuel ,square wet exhaust.also small webber carbs / std cams.. 4500 rpm carimati s v 12 engines were hand built. I recall his best pair of engines were turbo charged. 4500 rpm only,any more they explode. seatec 10 liter engines are at 1100 hp burning diesel fuel /4400 rpm/ and they are six cylinder? turbo

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1200HP @ 4500 rpm , at that low rpm means a bit over 1400ftlbs
all via a IIISSM...ouch
or reduced by 20% using 1.2 overdrive
= 1150ish ftlbs
That would shift a heavy boat...

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Originally Posted by Black Tornado

Sonny,are the same type of boats of thats last two of the post #100?
What means 'CAL500'?

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The answer is 'yes' and we now include larger picture of one of the two boats on post #100. MSV '38, yellow production model came from the mold at MSV the same as Cobra.

At the factory in hollywood i built around 14 like this- non race. In 1977 I started MSV Celebrity '38 style project. I built about 14 copies also with that type deck. I also built around four 40 foot MSV hulls for custom projects. These were done starting in '73 and ending in '84. As you can see, I built MSV '38 boats from my mold long before the Cobra '38R/MSV project and long after they were gone.

I get mad when someone says Mr. Simon blocked my molds. Mr. Simon was nowhere near my business and never allowed in my office or shop. By the way, CAL500 is my operating company in France and Dominican Republic.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2...Tee/BOATS2.jpg

-Sonny Miller

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Originally Posted by Powerabout

1200HP @ 4500 rpm , at that low rpm means a bit over 1400ftlbs
all via a IIISSM...ouch
or reduced by 20% using 1.2 overdrive
= 1150ish ftlbs
That would shift a heavy boat...

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Thanks for the reply.

This setup was ran in(1975)my MSV '40 weighing 11,000lbs, light on fuel using the 1.2 overdrive as you stated. The #3 SSM were 1:1 ratio with heavy duty upper-vertical shafts made in Italy. My rolla 4 blade props (I recall) were 26 pitch, 4% to 5% slip. At prop speed max around 5,000RPM at 28lbs boost. The engines were turbocharged by OTAM SPA. Water intercooled. Around 1,200hp each and around 1,400ft/lb torque. Transmissions were Crashbox offshore type.

Please calculate the speeds for me since I can't get the speed charts until I go to Europe.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2...2272009001.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2...enginesbpm.jpg

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2...ee/engines.jpg

-Sonny Miller

Spinning a 26p to 5000 rpm with 5% slip = 106mph

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Originally Posted by Powerabout

Spinning a 26p to 5000 rpm with 5% slip = 106mph

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Thanks for the post, I will post drawings of that boat with the engines we described, and some photos later. We are also including other MSV projects. Attachment 51520

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Originally Posted by cal500

thanks for the post, i will post drawings of that boat with the engines we described, and some photos later. We are also including other msv projects. Attachment 51520

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Hi Sonny,
here a pic of you with the Popeye 36' Cig duelling with Magoon during the Catalina Challenge of 1972.

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Originally Posted by Black Tornado

Hi Sonny,
here a pic of you with the Popeye 36' Cig duelling with Magoon during the Catalina Challenge of 1972.

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marco
thanks for the foto , where do you get these? this is the race where magoon followed us all the way around the coarse and also passing ship rock check point and on to the finish near queen elizabeth cruise liner. we finish first and won, only to find out that the ship rock check point said they did not see our race number , but they did see magoons boat and that was him only by the fact that carls helo was over his boat. shore line fog and haze pollution, plus politics dominic sr. said to me later. magoon wins we were both a quarter mile away from that check point. we were running injection and new heads and cams, I think we were two miles per hour faster . we only finished slightly ahead, it was a race right to the end. ciao ancora sonny miller we also raced at marina del rey and long beach and a few others out there.

Gents,
I just want to say what a great read this thread has been thus far!

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Does anybody remember these guys that are listed? Bob Saccenti and I worked on most of these projects.

-Sonny Ciao ancora

Ciao Sonny,
almost all they are recognizable, but unfortunately the list doesn't say the year and what type of boat they bought.

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Originally Posted by Black Tornado

Ciao Sonny,
almost all they are recognizable, but unfortunately the list doesn't say the year and what type of boat they bought.

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bob and I will try to match as many as we can . ciao marco,

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Originally Posted by CAL500

Does anybody remember these guys that are listed? Bob Saccenti and I worked on most of these projects.

-Sonny Ciao ancora

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Wow, that's an awesome list!!!:cheers2:

OFF is next month and I have tried, in vein, to get Jack Stutteville there for many years. Hope to see you there.

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Originally Posted by seeroy

Thanks Rich - I posted this pic because I had not met Sonny Miller before and, unfortunately, I did not meet him at OFF. However, as I looked through photos taken by Iris at the sign in table, this one baffled me until today. The thrid photo posted by Charlie in Post #74 identified Sonny. Kinda looks like what Mr. Sun Glasses would have looked like back in the day. Soooooo......My question is...Is this Sonny Miller at OFF? I introduced myself to many folks at OFF that I had not previously met and was often pleasantly suprised when they responded with their name. If it is Sonny, I offer my apology for not introducing myself to him. I was kinda busy. If it's not Sonny, somebody please help me with a name. - Steve Sirois

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