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Dude! Sweet!
06-03-2009, 02:45 AM
OK, so Chris and Tom have shamed me into working on the 28. I figured I'd start a thread about it that can track my progress or lack thereof...

I'll try to post pics and updates as I get the opportunity.

So to kick it off... Chris and I swapped boats less motors and drives. I think many of you know that I wanged my motor on St. Paddy's day. I had a rocker stud come out and the rocker (intake) and stud bounce around in the motor for about 40 minutes at about 5,000 RPMS.

Pulled the motor apart today. The lifter looks like a bomb went off inside it. It's shattered and wedged in the block. Fortunately these Merlin blocks have sleeved lifter bores, so it's fixable one way or another. The cam is pretty chewed up. And the cylender that the rocker came off of looks like it got some reversion (how that happens with dry pipes is beyond me) but I think a hone should take care of it.

Anyhow, the motor is down to the short block, the heads are in my truck.

Feeling like I'm going backwards at this point (but knowing I'm not) I decided to put my drive back together. All good there and ready when the motor is.

John helped me out with the motor (its at his shop up in the Valley) so I'll try to get him to snap me some photos and send them over tomorrow.

That's all for now... Over and out. :)

duunoit
06-03-2009, 10:21 AM
subscribed... :D

stormrider
06-03-2009, 10:44 AM
What, still no Pfaff this time around?

TIKI
06-03-2009, 11:44 AM
So; which 28 is yours now? Pic please. I know you had Griff's old 28, but Chris has it now?

Perlmudder
06-03-2009, 11:53 AM
John helped me out with the motor (its at his shop up in the Valley) so I'll try to get him to snap me some photos and send them over tomorrow.

That's all for now... Over and out. :)

Entourage has taught he the "valley" is a scary place...:sifone:

duunoit
06-03-2009, 12:10 PM
So; which 28 is yours now? Pic please. I know you had Griff's old 28, but Chris has it now?

This is what it used to look like...

Dude! Sweet!
06-03-2009, 12:42 PM
And this is what it looks like currently. :)

Dude! Sweet!
06-03-2009, 12:43 PM
Entourage has taught he the "valley" is a scary place...:sifone:

Never watched the show, but you can learn a lot in the Valley... :sifone:

Perlmudder
06-03-2009, 01:54 PM
Never watched the show, but you can learn a lot in the Valley... :sifone:

you need to. its amazing!

Perlmudder
06-03-2009, 01:55 PM
And this is what it looks like currently. :)

so i noticed one has a notched transom, one does not. which one performed better?

Dude! Sweet!
06-03-2009, 03:41 PM
The Swedes would know... I'd guess all other things equal, in a race boat, notch is the way to go. Pleasure boat depends...

duunoit
06-03-2009, 04:02 PM
One thing I've been thinking about... I've got a 28' boat with a 10" notch. Shouldn't my boat really ride more like a 27'2" boat since there is 10" less boat in the water?

Dude! Sweet!
06-03-2009, 04:22 PM
That assumes that the notch is out of the water. Check out the running photos of your average Pantera. They're either wet up to the corner of the fairing, or they're 7 feet out of the water... All or nothing baby! :D

Dude! Sweet!
06-03-2009, 04:47 PM
We can thank the Flamingo Killer, for these fine photos...

I'll warn you, don't open this in front of women, children or those with delicate constitutions! :D

Buoy
06-03-2009, 04:47 PM
Sean, Look forward to seeing you get it all together.
Keep us posted with pics.

Dude! Sweet!
06-03-2009, 04:49 PM
Couple more.

Dude! Sweet!
06-03-2009, 04:50 PM
To the extent anyone needs anything blown up or destroyed, give me a call. I'm your guy. :sifone:

Buoy
06-03-2009, 04:52 PM
To the extent anyone needs anything blown up or destroyed, give me a call. I'm your guy. :sifone:

:sifone:

Dude! Sweet!
06-03-2009, 04:53 PM
:sifone:

See Tim, I've already started doing the marketing! :26:

Buoy
06-03-2009, 05:00 PM
I'm with ya, bud.

tomcei
06-03-2009, 05:43 PM
I love it!! another project. Sean let me be the 1st to ask the million dollar question.













Watch'a going to put in 'er??
I got some parts for an NA
But if you pick up bad habits like "Huffing" I can't help ya

Dude! Sweet!
06-03-2009, 06:00 PM
I love it!! another project. Sean let me be the 1st to ask the million dollar question.













Watch'a going to put in 'er??
I got some parts for an NA
But if you pick up bad habits like "Huffing" I can't help ya

Hopefully less than a million dollars! :D

We'll see. When I saw your motor the other day, I was like "I need that!", but I don't really feel like spending my way there... It's going to depend on whether I need new pistons or not. If I do, then I'm going forced induction of some sort. If not, then I'll probably stick with NA.

Mikeb4
06-03-2009, 09:04 PM
subscribed... :d

+1

Mikeb4
06-03-2009, 09:14 PM
That assumes that the notch is out of the water. Check out the running photos of your average Pantera. They're either wet up to the corner of the fairing, or they're 7 feet out of the water... All or nothing baby! :D

I like my notch! all good so far and rides great ....

Dude! Sweet!
06-03-2009, 09:27 PM
And I'm sure Adam will pipe up and say the same! :D

Mikeb4
06-03-2009, 09:38 PM
Really looking forward to seeing it all come together Dude!

duunoit
06-03-2009, 10:40 PM
I like my notch! all good so far and rides great ....

Man, that thing is ridin' right.

ar15meister
06-04-2009, 08:37 AM
And I'm sure Adam will pipe up and say the same! :D

My boat rides right up out of the water, very similar actually to Mikes.

Mikeb4
06-04-2009, 12:01 PM
I always wonder how our boats would be in salt water Adam .... with the extra bouyancy :driving:

In the video stills shown above I have five adults on board with 3/4 tank of fuel but only a 90 gallon tank.

I like the 26 Bravo I four blade a lot but will be testing a Maximus 5 blade in July which should be interesting with more lift.

Dude! Sweet!
06-04-2009, 12:23 PM
The newer F1 boats (Mike's and Adam's) have to be WAAAAY lighter than full pleasure (hee hee) 28s. Pepe told me that if I wanted my boat to really run, I'd need to cut the cabin out and lighten up the nose. I honestly thought about doing a "cover girl" on it and removing the V-berth... which is why I decided to sell it before I ruined a really nice boat! :D

tomcei
06-04-2009, 06:59 PM
I was going to say the same thing about the weight of the race set up.

JO - PANTERABOAT
06-04-2009, 07:11 PM
Race set up are approximately 800 pounds lighter than the full pleasure configuration. No cockpit liner, no cabin, lighter engine hatch, etc. etc.

Jo

Dude! Sweet!
06-04-2009, 07:29 PM
Thanks Jo. When I stop by maybe we can talk about plans for the old C-69. I'm guessing she's a tank compared to your new boats, but I'd like to work on set up with you guys... I'm no fool (well...), I want to get some suggestions from the guys who actually know what they're talking about when it comes to these boats! :D

slpcamaross97
06-04-2009, 10:09 PM
dude im totally going to stop by the shop with the new boat.... Ill have to let jo know and figure out what everyone needs as in thank you stuff.

stormrider
06-08-2009, 11:05 AM
Nothing says Californication, better than an ASD-6.
http://www.arneson-industries.com/products/bravoConversion/PGuard[1].jpg

ar15meister
06-08-2009, 11:15 AM
I always wonder how our boats would be in salt water Adam .... with the extra bouyancy :driving:

In the video stills shown above I have five adults on board with 3/4 tank of fuel but only a 90 gallon tank.

I like the 26 Bravo I four blade a lot but will be testing a Maximus 5 blade in July which should be interesting with more lift.

I would be really interested in hearing how the 5 blade works out. I think a labbed 26p 4 blade bravo would be ideal on my boat especially with the tunnel ram. I would like to get a few more rpms.

just too cheap right now to shell out the cash. Plus I am buying a house, a dog and another gun...lol.

ar15meister
06-08-2009, 11:17 AM
dude im totally going to stop by the shop with the new boat.... Ill have to let jo know and figure out what everyone needs as in thank you stuff.

did you buy the 3man 24?

Bobcat
06-08-2009, 12:28 PM
Nothing says Californication, better than an ASD-6.
http://www.arneson-industries.com/products/bravoConversion/PGuard[1].jpg

that is bad ass!

Mikeb4
06-08-2009, 03:59 PM
[QUOTE=ar15meister;238677]I would be really interested in hearing how the 5 blade works out. I think a labbed 26p 4 blade bravo would be ideal on my boat especially with the tunnel ram. I would like to get a few more rpms.
QUOTE]

Jo thinks it may work well but best with some diameter taken out, stock may be too much. I really focus on fast cruise most of the time so it could be good,:huh: if not I will fall back to the 26 B1. I have a low RPM torque motor that HP peaks at 5200.

Also I don't seem to need more bow lift even with the light cabin work and elevated X position, but the five blade may help me confirm this.:coolgleamA:

Dude! Sweet!
06-08-2009, 05:20 PM
I like these and awful lot too... And you know, California is a big state. Gotta keep it local! :D

http://www.weismann.net/offshore.html

http://www.weismann.net/Products/wsd.html

Perlmudder
06-08-2009, 06:04 PM
I like these and awful lot too... And you know, California is a big state. Gotta keep it local! :D

http://www.weismann.net/offshore.html

http://www.weismann.net/Products/wsd.html

those are badass looking!!

Dude! Sweet!
06-16-2009, 01:48 AM
Tore down the short block tonight. Pictures tomorrow. Let me just say "ouch"...

Might be an o/b guy a bit longer... Dios no se me llama. :sifone:

LittleDcsRodShop
06-16-2009, 12:15 PM
Hey Dude , Just seen this thread.. All I can say is this should be entertaining..:sifone:

Dude! Sweet!
06-16-2009, 01:08 PM
Here's a couple from my phone... I'll have a few better pics later tonight.

Dude! Sweet!
06-16-2009, 01:12 PM
Hey Dude , Just seen this thread.. All I can say is this should be entertaining..:sifone:

You mean it's not already entertaining?! :sifone:

Dude! Sweet!
06-16-2009, 01:14 PM
I had to pound the lifter out with a hammer...

Oh, and the best part (which John missed, fortunately) was when I was trying to brake an allen head bolt loose and my hand slipped off the wrench... I punched myself in the face flat out... Top quality! :D

LittleDcsRodShop
06-16-2009, 01:21 PM
I had to pound the lifter out with a hammer...

Oh, and the best part (which John missed, fortunately) was when I was trying to brake an allen head bolt loose and my hand slipped off the wrench... I punched myself in the face flat out... Top quality! :D

Now thats some entertainment !! Lol.. :ack2:

Perlmudder
06-16-2009, 01:37 PM
Here's a couple from my phone... I'll have a few better pics later tonight.

I don't know much, but that doesn't look good! :ack2:

slpcamaross97
06-16-2009, 01:46 PM
did you buy the 3man 24?

Never got it... guy was an ass and lost the deal over a set of tires. but good thing i waited found something way better. and its still in the "FAM"

slpcamaross97
06-16-2009, 01:49 PM
looks like fun.... Ah motor work.

tomcei
06-16-2009, 07:57 PM
this is quickly turning into my kinda thread :26:

03darkshadow
06-16-2009, 07:59 PM
I had to pound the lifter out with a hammer...

Oh, and the best part (which John missed, fortunately) was when I was trying to brake an allen head bolt loose and my hand slipped off the wrench... I punched myself in the face flat out... Top quality! :D



i would have paid to watch that happen :rofl:

Buoy
06-16-2009, 08:13 PM
I had to pound the lifter out with a hammer...

Oh, and the best part (which John missed, fortunately) was when I was trying to brake an allen head bolt loose and my hand slipped off the wrench... I punched myself in the face flat out... Top quality! :D

For some reason I can actually picture you doing that.

But, I can also picture myself doing the same damn thing...
I did have bloody knuckles after breaking the allen heads that were holding the swim steps to the brackets...

Mikeb4
06-16-2009, 10:24 PM
I had to pound the lifter out with a hammer...

Oh, and the best part (which John missed, fortunately) was when I was trying to brake an allen head bolt loose and my hand slipped off the wrench... I punched myself in the face flat out... Top quality! :D

Forget the engine pics .... I want to see your face now! :rofl:

duunoit
06-16-2009, 10:44 PM
Forget the engine pics .... I want to see your face now! :rofl:
no black eyes for them to question at work?

Mikeb4
06-16-2009, 10:57 PM
no black eyes for them to question at work?

He will probably get interviewed by a social worker and then they will take his wife into a different room for interrogation ..... they won't buy the slipped wrench on the boat excuse ......:icon_bs:

Dude! Sweet!
06-17-2009, 01:34 AM
Ha! I should be so lucky! :D

I hit myself right above the bridge of my nose, basically on the forehead. The armor plate is thick there... :sifone:

Ratickle
06-17-2009, 06:56 AM
Ha! I should be so lucky! :D

I hit myself right above the bridge of my nose, basically on the forehead. The armor plate is thick there... :sifone:

Could you re-inact the punch and get video posted here for us????

Bobcat
06-17-2009, 08:41 AM
Forget the engine pics .... I want to see your face now! :rofl:

:ack2:

Dude! Sweet!
06-17-2009, 10:48 AM
Bob, you're an artist! Now I see why you live in KW! :D

That's awesome. Everyone needs a punch in the face now and again, and if nobody's willing to do it to me, I'll do it myself! :D

Dude! Sweet!
06-17-2009, 10:55 AM
I jumped off my trailer a couple of years ago at the ramp and took out my ankle... this isn't the best picture, but I'll find that one later... Here's right after. I like the "mystery lump" ahead of my actual ankle... balled up tendon or balled up ligament, you tell me, I'm no orthopedic surgeon! :sifone:

duunoit
06-17-2009, 11:09 AM
But it looks like you went out boating anyway. What a trooper:seeya:

Dude! Sweet!
06-17-2009, 12:15 PM
Of course!

Pain is temporary... glory, eternal (I think Evil Kinevel said that!)

Perlmudder
06-17-2009, 12:30 PM
I jumped off my trailer a couple of years ago at the ramp and took out my ankle... this isn't the best picture, but I'll find that one later... Here's right after. I like the "mystery lump" ahead of my actual ankle... balled up tendon or balled up ligament, you tell me, I'm no orthopedic surgeon! :sifone:

I was at the Palmwood last Saturday night, I managed to fall between a speaker and the stage somehow. Needless to say I messed up my ankle and my knee pretty bad! Still managed to go to the hot tub with some ladies though!

Dude! Sweet!
06-18-2009, 01:14 AM
OK, so the majority of the photos I took with the real camera suck... Great pics of my feet and stuff on the floor but the actual thing I was taking pics of was totally blurry...

Anyhow, here's a few more good ones...

Little tiny piston... can you see the pockmarks in the bottom from the metal debris?

Cam with a chunk out of one of the lobes, that's not even the one under the exploded lifter!

Nice shot of some ugly bearings too... :seeya:

tomcei
06-18-2009, 03:00 PM
nice :ack2:

Bobcat
06-21-2009, 12:03 AM
???? why no posts ? I count on you pantera people to always have something!

duunoit
06-21-2009, 09:58 PM
He was putting brakes on the trailer when I txt'd him earlier...

Bobcat
06-21-2009, 10:38 PM
He was putting brakes on the trailer when I txt'd him earlier...

why ? his home hasn't moved for years, oh ! the boat trailer:sifone:

Dude! Sweet!
06-22-2009, 08:19 AM
why ? his home hasn't moved for years, oh ! the boat trailer:sifone:

Shhhh... Don't tell anybody. I'm fixin' to run off to Mexico!

Tomas Wallin
06-26-2009, 01:54 PM
The newer F1 boats (Mike's and Adam's) have to be WAAAAY lighter than full pleasure (hee hee) 28s. Pepe told me that if I wanted my boat to really run, I'd need to cut the cabin out and lighten up the nose. I honestly thought about doing a "cover girl" on it and removing the V-berth... which is why I decided to sell it before I ruined a really nice boat! :D
So now mine is old and heavy :(

How much does Adam's and Mike's weigh? Has anyone of you weighed them yourself?

I weighed mine a while ago, complete with everything (no lead plates, new interior, that heavy cushion in the "cabin", blower motor, big cooler, drive cool system etc), with no fuel and completely clean from gear etc. Weighed 4980lbs...

Dude! Sweet!
06-26-2009, 01:56 PM
Tomas, I thought Pepe said yours was the lightest one they'd ever build, followed by the Mig as #2 or #3 in lightness?

Tomas Wallin
06-26-2009, 01:57 PM
why ? His home hasn't moved for years, oh ! The boat trailer:sifone:
hahaha :D

JO - PANTERABOAT
06-26-2009, 02:43 PM
Tomas 28' is the lightest 28' we have ever built.I think it originally weighed right around 4300 pounds complete with a Mercruiser 500 HP and a 5 man bolster.

JO

Tomas Wallin
06-26-2009, 02:55 PM
Tomas 28' is the lightest 28' we have ever built.I think it originally weighed right around 4300 pounds complete with a Mercruiser 500 HP and a 5 man bolster.

JO
Hey Jo,

Yeah I know that, I believe you told me 4000lbs and 4400lbs weighed in for racing in F1.

I guess only my blower motor would weigh at least 100-150lbs more than a HP500. The interior including everything is probably an extra 300lbs. :)

ar15meister
06-26-2009, 03:26 PM
I have never weighed mine. Not sure how much it weighs but I think Jeff told me 4700lbs dry when I bought it from him.

ar15meister
06-26-2009, 03:29 PM
Shhhh... Don't tell anybody. I'm fixin' to run off to Mexico!

if you are going to desert your country head North. Your apparent love of beer and April Wine will make you fit right in.

Not sure how well you can blend in down in Mexico even if you dyed your hair grease black, got a gold tooth and began to go by the name "el pantera"......

Tomas Wallin
06-26-2009, 03:44 PM
I have never weighed mine. Not sure how much it weighs but I think Jeff told me 4700lbs dry when I bought it from him.
Is that with the added lead plates?

duunoit
06-26-2009, 03:48 PM
"el pantera"

This is going to be Sean's new name...

ar15meister
06-26-2009, 05:46 PM
Is that with the added lead plates?

Not sure.

I assume so.

Dude! Sweet!
06-26-2009, 05:50 PM
Dang and I was hoping for El Gordo y guapo! :D

Dude! Sweet!
06-26-2009, 05:52 PM
Tomas 28' is the lightest 28' we have ever built.I think it originally weighed right around 4300 pounds complete with a Mercruiser 500 HP and a 5 man bolster.

JO

That's a great photo! Thanks for keeping and eye on us Jo! :sifone:

JO - PANTERABOAT
06-26-2009, 06:09 PM
Correct Tomas 4300 - 4400 pounds with a few hundered pounds of lead bolted up near the bow for F1 rules.Without the lead it was a little over 4000 pounds.

The Black F1 weighed approximately 4550 - 4600 pounds ( no lead ) with a 500 EFI since you had to carry more weight with the EFI motor in F1 class.

Albert Mig 28' weighed approximately 4650 back in 1995.

JO

Dude! Sweet!
06-26-2009, 06:24 PM
Hey Jo, cosidering the probable heft of my 28 (It didn't feel much lighter than my pleasure 28, but I could be wrong), would you re-rig the boat with a single big block (lets say blown) on an XR/Imco, or twin small blocks on XRs? Or something else? All things considered...

Tomas Wallin
06-27-2009, 03:39 AM
Not sure.

I assume so.

Do you still have them in the boat? Do you know what size and how many?

ar15meister
06-27-2009, 02:34 PM
not sure what size but there is one in the nose. I havent been up there since I bought it except to do simple visual inspections to make sure nothing is going on.

The boat flys extremely level except on the occasions when I trim it out too much in rough water....but thats a whole other story.

Dude! Sweet!
07-14-2009, 05:41 PM
Fat and handsome here... :sifone:

Just got some preliminary good news from the machine shop. Looks like the Merlin is going to get away with just a hone. And they're saying the rotating assembly should be good to go after all. So I'll just need to fix the head and redo the valvetrain and we'll be ready to pop that mofo back in. Looks like the decision's sort of made for me for now (Scotty, you know what I'm sayin' bro!)... Going to get her up and running with current power, finish out the rigging stuff I want to do and the cosmetics and run the wheels off of her! Yee haw!

Dude! Sweet!
07-14-2009, 05:47 PM
Jo, any guesses as to what my '86 28 six man should weigh? It didn't feel a lot lighter than my full Pleasure '96, but I didn't really get to run it in rough water to get a good feel for it.

duunoit
07-14-2009, 06:03 PM
That's good news Sean. I posted some numbers on my thread over on the other site.

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/pantera/134181-progress-my-28-a-5.html#post2256444

JO was saying that the trailer was probably more than the MSO or the VIN says but that should ballpark you. Did you ever weigh the corndog?

cougarman
07-14-2009, 06:40 PM
Jo, any guesses as to what my '86 28 six man should weigh? It didn't feel a lot lighter than my full Pleasure '96, but I didn't really get to run it in rough water to get a good feel for it.


Put a #6 on there linked with Earhart Turbo and never look back :)

Bill is running a #6 and Earharts Sytem on a 30' single engine and well into the triple digits :sifone: .............very reliable too.


Jon

Dude! Sweet!
07-14-2009, 06:59 PM
That's good news Sean. I posted some numbers on my thread over on the other site.

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/pantera/134181-progress-my-28-a-5.html#post2256444

JO was saying that the trailer was probably more than the MSO or the VIN says but that should ballpark you. Did you ever weigh the corndog?

Nope never weighed the 'Dog... Dang, 6000# now that's some no foolin' around right there! :sifone:

Cougarman, I've thought about that big power six option (or a Weismann, to keep it local!). If I did it, I'd look back all the time though becasue I'd want to see my monster rooster tail! :D

Seriously though, I'd been bouncing around a number of ideas in my head (big power added single BBC or twin SBC either staggered or side by side) but at this point, I think I'm going to take the path of least resistance, reassemble what I've got and wait for my next catastrophic failure to do anything radical to the boat.

LittleDcsRodShop
07-14-2009, 07:20 PM
Thats definatly good news on the shortblock !! Do you plan on trying to get in the water this summer ?

Dude! Sweet!
07-14-2009, 07:39 PM
Thats definatly good news on the shortblock !! Do you plan on trying to get in the water this summer ?

I'd sort of given up on it when I realized the block was all the way out, but now that it sounds like it's really just clean up and reassembly, I think I'll push to get it done before the end of summer. I was saying elsewhere that I've got this mile long list of stuff I want to do (with the kids, to the house, to my truck, to my Camaro, to the karts, to the boats, etc.) and the problem is I have so much crap it's hard to focus becuase something seems to come up all the time.

I was planning on really cranking on the 24 and waiting until winter to get going on the 28, but now it seems like the 28 may be a similar amount of work as what I was going to do to the 24. So, I'm inclined to go back to plan A which is just run the 24 for now, and put my efforts into the 28.

Dude! Sweet!
07-14-2009, 07:42 PM
I think if I can get it running with what I have fairly easily, that will allow me to focus on finishing the race rigging and set up and allow me to get the boat into P5 trim, run it and get to know it a bit. Then when the time comes I know what I've got and I can just focus on repower rather than doing the whole nine yards...

LittleDcsRodShop
07-14-2009, 08:16 PM
Sounds like a plan !! Make sure you have enuff power to easily run P-4 b/c with that six man setup I really think we should make it the only team to run 4 navigators.. We would be unstopable !!!
:willy_nilly::willy_nilly::driving::driving::willy_nilly::willy_nilly:

tomcei
07-14-2009, 08:20 PM
Great news Sean and I would do the same.

P5???? let me know if you need a driver. I have an extra throttle set up in my shop:sifone:

Dude! Sweet!
07-14-2009, 08:23 PM
Two throttles and two steering wheels and four navigators! We'd dominate! I'm going to put the kegerator in the well where the third fuel tank used to be as well! :D

Buoy
07-14-2009, 08:30 PM
Two throttles and two steering wheels and four navigators! We'd dominate! I'm going to put the kegerator in the well where the third fuel tank used to be as well! :D

Please tell me that I am already enlisted as the Navigator/Keggerator Operator.
I would be really disappointed if I wasn't.

LittleDcsRodShop
07-14-2009, 08:34 PM
Tim although we have never "officially" met you were definitly in the mix !! Lol !!

Whatever my job is I have to be in one of the front bolsters b/c if not I won't be able to see crap & I will be useless..:willy_nilly:

Buoy
07-14-2009, 08:40 PM
Tim although we have never "officially" met you were definitly in the mix !! Lol !!

Whatever my job is I have to be in one of the front bolsters b/c if not I won't be able to see crap & I will be useless..:willy_nilly:

I'm useless no matter where I'm at. But, good at operating a Keg, and instead of tape to count the laps, I'll devise something with empty cups...
Trust me, it'll keep the competition guessing.

Dude! Sweet!
07-14-2009, 08:44 PM
Tim although we have never "officially" met you were definitly in the mix !! Lol !!

Whatever my job is I have to be in one of the front bolsters b/c if not I won't be able to see crap & I will be useless..:willy_nilly:

I was going to duct tape you to the bow to scare off the dolphins! :26:

tomcei
07-14-2009, 08:44 PM
I'm not above buying people off if necessary:26::driving::biggrinjester:
Just don't put me in the bilge to do any tweaking or i might start chumming for sharks:blush5:

LittleDcsRodShop
07-14-2009, 08:48 PM
I am thinking it would be good stratagy to throw Greg (pantera572) in the mix somewhere since he can make an active thunder look as if it is a low freeboard boat.. Lol.. He would make a great spotter while atleast three of us are going from the bolsters to the bilge passing wrenches while trying to diagnose problems..

Dude! Sweet!
07-14-2009, 08:50 PM
I'm useless no matter where I'm at. But, good at operating a Keg, and instead of tape to count the laps, I'll devise something with empty cups...
Trust me, it'll keep the competition guessing.

I'm pretty sure that when the competition sees us coming with six guys in the boat, red plastic cups and a hose coming out of the deck hatch, they won't need to do much guessing! :sifone:

tomcei
07-14-2009, 08:50 PM
this is too funny:willy_nilly:

Dude! Sweet!
07-14-2009, 08:51 PM
I'm not above buying people off if necessary:26::driving::biggrinjester:
Just don't put me in the bilge to do any tweaking or i might start chumming for sharks:blush5:

You'll be fine as long as you don't do any headstands! :sifone:

LittleDcsRodShop
07-14-2009, 08:51 PM
I was going to duct tape you to the bow to scare off the dolphins! :26:

Good thing is I am probably the lightest so we could still carry the bow well.. This is really starting to come togather !! Doesnt Tom have some sort of experiance getting thrown in the bilge of a cetrain board members 28 ?? Seems like I remember hearing something like that happening on a westwerd trip... Lol !!

Buoy
07-14-2009, 08:52 PM
I was going to duct tape you to the bow to scare off the dolphins! :26:

Scaring Dolphins I can handle.
If you were counting on me to also be ballast to get the boat on plain like some of the old-school guys, your plan may be flawed... gotta remember, I'm only about 165, and most of that is liver and bladder...

LittleDcsRodShop
07-14-2009, 08:54 PM
I'm not above buying people off if necessary:26::driving::biggrinjester:
Just don't put me in the bilge to do any tweaking or i might start chumming for sharks:blush5:

Maybe thats what it was !! I knew something went array !!! :ack2:

LittleDcsRodShop
07-14-2009, 08:57 PM
Scaring Dolphins I can handle.
If you were counting on me to also be ballast to get the boat on plain like some of the old-school guys, your plan may be flawed... gotta remember, I'm only about 165, and most of that is liver and bladder...

I got ya beat at 150ish so we will have to see if bow or stern lift is of utmost importance..

Dude! Sweet!
07-14-2009, 09:02 PM
You know, if we did the ski race, we could drag two more guys on ropes on the back! And then, the keg could be our "ballast tank"!

Don't worry boys, I've got enough ballast to go around! (I've got a hundred pound + on Scotty! Damn dude!) :D

LittleDcsRodShop
07-14-2009, 09:07 PM
Is it just me or does most all of our threads get alittle :willy_nilly:.. This is good stuff..

Dude! Sweet!
07-14-2009, 09:10 PM
Yup! We're all a bunch of goofy mfers! Off to dinner. Later boys!

slpcamaross97
07-14-2009, 09:45 PM
this is so not about a boat anymore. love it

duunoit
07-14-2009, 10:21 PM
I lost count. Is there a "seat" for me?

LittleDcsRodShop
07-14-2009, 10:40 PM
I lost count. Is there a "seat" for me?

Without question your in.. :sifone:

Dude! Sweet!
07-15-2009, 03:42 AM
Like you have to ask Chris! :sifone:

Although I was thinking about it and the two youngest dudes have to ski! I'm guessing that means you're on the end of the rope! :D

tomcei
07-15-2009, 07:00 PM
QUOTE: ""Although I was thinking about it and the two youngest dudes have to ski! I'm guessing that means you're on the end of the rope!""

i guess I am driving then :driving:

Buoy
07-15-2009, 07:10 PM
Is it just me or does most all of our threads get alittle :willy_nilly:.. This is good stuff..

Reminds me of the old days at the old bar.
Bunch of goofballs mouthing off...
These type of threads are what make this fun.


this is so not about a boat anymore. love it

No, this has become a mission.
I take that back, this has become a CRUSADE!:biggrinjester:

Buoy
07-15-2009, 07:13 PM
I lost count. Is there a "seat" for me?

I think as you being a central player in this whole thing, it wouldn't have the same effectiveness if you were not one of the key players.

We could probably start taking apps for pit crew at this point.
Maybe even a PR chick (if ya know what I mean)...

Dude! Sweet!
07-15-2009, 07:15 PM
Maybe even a PR chick (if ya know what I mean)...

Oh I do! (The "P" stands for "penis" right?!) :sifone:

Buoy
07-15-2009, 07:16 PM
Oh I do! (The "P" stands for "penis" right?!) :sifone:

Depends on who's asking for the definition:sifone:

Dude! Sweet!
07-15-2009, 07:16 PM
I know I'm older than Tim, Scotty, Chris and SDR John, so I know I'm not skiing!

I'm just hoping I get to ride in the front seat of my own boat! :D

Dude! Sweet!
07-15-2009, 07:17 PM
Depends on who's asking for the definition:sifone:

Might also need a "head" nurse! :26:

Buoy
07-15-2009, 07:22 PM
The "Kielbasa" race team!

Cuz you know with six dudes in 28 foot six-pack config boat, it's gonna be called the sausage-fest racing team. We may as well strike first and put the joke out there before we get labeled.
The good thing is, I think we're all plenty confident in ourselves to take the joke instead of being offended.

Dude! Sweet!
07-15-2009, 07:23 PM
Sort of like Oscar Kovaleski's old race team...

Buoy
07-15-2009, 07:24 PM
I know I'm older than Tim, Scotty, Chris and SDR John, so I know I'm not skiing!

I'm just hoping I get to ride in the front seat of my own boat! :D

I'm pretty sure you only have me by a couple years, and I'm under the assumption Chris is younger than me.
Plus, I'd be useless counting cups, and keg operation from the ski.

Dude! Sweet!
07-15-2009, 07:24 PM
But then came a telegram that changed everything. "This constitutes formal entry by the Polish Racing Drivers of America in the next official Cannonball Baker Sea-to-Shining-Sea Memorial Trophy Dash. The drivers are Oscar Kovaleski, Brad Niemcek and Tony Adamowicz. If we can find California, we'll beat you fair and square."

Dude! Sweet!
07-15-2009, 07:25 PM
I'm pretty sure you only have me by a couple years, and I'm under the assumption Chris is younger than me.
Plus, I'd be useless counting cups, and keg operation from the ski.

One year as I recall... I only look 10 years older than you! :D

Buoy
07-15-2009, 07:26 PM
Kovaleski, Skibinski (would require using 2 ski's), Meyer...

Dude! Sweet!
07-15-2009, 07:35 PM
I always wanted to name a race team Paddy O'Furniture Racing.

LittleDcsRodShop
07-15-2009, 07:37 PM
QUOTE: ""Although I was thinking about it and the two youngest dudes have to ski! I'm guessing that means you're on the end of the rope!""

i guess I am driving then :driving:

Allthough Chris & I are probably the yougest Tom you would probably be better on the ski.. Since you are the official "fitness guru trainer" of the team..:biggrinjester: I can still ski like a champ but in my getting old age I have trouble with the distance thing !! Lol.. I remember as a kid begging to go another loop around our ski area & now if I get behind the boat its like Wow this is allot of work get me back to the dock & then 3 days of pain !!

LittleDcsRodShop
07-15-2009, 07:41 PM
No doubt we are friking idiots !!!!:biggrinjester: As the rest of the offshore community is saying "What is wrong with these guys ??":huh:

:D:D

Dude! Sweet!
07-15-2009, 08:28 PM
Allthough Chris & I are probably the yougest Tom you would probably be better on the ski.. Since you are the official "fitness guru trainer" of the team..:biggrinjester: I can still ski like a champ but in my getting old age I have trouble with the distance thing !! Lol.. I remember as a kid begging to go another loop around our ski area & now if I get behind the boat its like Wow this is allot of work get me back to the dock & then 3 days of pain !!

That's right?! Don't know how I forgot that Tom's in about 110x better shape than the rest of us! And Scotty, don't sweat it. We'll get you one of those badass Maharajah speed skis... I hear they ride like a Caddilac! :26:

tomcei
07-15-2009, 09:56 PM
That's right?! Don't know how I forgot that Tom's in about 110x better shape than the rest of us! And Scotty, don't sweat it. We'll get you one of those badass Maharajah speed skis... I hear they ride like a Caddilac! :26:
I got yall fooled

i should of used this little thing on my earlier post:puke:

Dude! Sweet!
07-15-2009, 10:23 PM
I got yall fooled

i should of used this little thing on my earlier post:puke:

It doesn't do justice to seeing the real thing! :sifone:

Dude! Sweet!
07-19-2009, 01:43 AM
To get this slightly back on track... Pulled off the swimstep today and started pulled off the tabs and the tramsom ass'y. You guys got me all geeked up to work on it... Its freakin' 90 degrees out and sunny and I'm in the bilge of a race boat instead of out cruising my boat that actually runs... :sifone:

LittleDcsRodShop
07-19-2009, 02:06 AM
:sifone:

Sounds like a story I know..

Whats the plan ?? Lay it out brotha !!! :bigear:

I think I will go down to the shop latter tomorrow evening & see if I can rid the rest of my fingerprints with some paper so we can fund the race team !!

Dude! Sweet!
07-19-2009, 03:28 AM
Looks like the Merlin lives to fight another day, so single NA bigblock power for now. Getting rid of the swim step. I'm gonna blast and powder coat the tabs Tlooking for some 360 tabs thoough) and transom assy. Then start doing the rigging stuff to get it race ready. If I can find an IMCO extension box priced right I'll probably give that a try too.

tomcei
07-19-2009, 08:32 AM
are you using the same carb and intake. I'm asking b/c I have a dart intake w/ hp1000 carb set up if interested. the intake was cnc ported by "race heads" out of Fla. I would let it go cheap

duunoit
07-19-2009, 10:34 AM
Proof Sean's Saturday dirtywork ala his infamous camera phone...

Dude! Sweet!
07-19-2009, 01:09 PM
Carb and intake seem good to go. Might be looking for a cam though. John's old drag race buddy's unpacking his trailer 5 years after a nasty accident and told me to hold on buying anything though.

Thanks for putting up the pic Chris. Looks racey huh?

Bobcat
07-19-2009, 01:33 PM
looks blurry, and I've only got one beer in me!:sifone:

Buoy
07-19-2009, 01:42 PM
have a few more beers, it'll become crystal clear.

tomcei
07-19-2009, 04:39 PM
I have 2 cams and a set of pistons as well. one of the cams is a 4/7 swap.
I would be happy to ship them to you if you wanted to have them checked out. there collecting dust over hear.

Bobcat
07-19-2009, 05:08 PM
have a few more beers, it'll become crystal clear.

your just angry that I kicked you out of the Saber thread:sifone:

Buoy
07-19-2009, 08:57 PM
your just angry that I kicked you out of the Saber thread:sifone:

Watch it there buddy , I'll boot your azz to the Fountain thread.
You'll have to invest a few grand in gold chains, and a beak extension.:biggrinjester:

Buoy
07-19-2009, 09:01 PM
Proof Sean's Saturday dirtywork ala his infamous camera phone...

I just woke up from a nap, so, a little groggy, but the transom kinda looks like an elephant-head.
The lack of exhaust looks like eyes, the drive assy looks like a trunk, and the tabs look like tusks.

No, I haven't been smoking anything, or taking anything.
Just waking up still.

Bobcat
07-19-2009, 10:29 PM
Watch it there buddy , I'll boot your azz to the Fountain thread.
You'll have to invest a few grand in gold chains, and a beak extension.:biggrinjester:

that's plain mean :dupe:

Buoy
07-19-2009, 11:49 PM
that's plain mean :dupe:

Ah come'on man, don't take it personal.
Ya know I love ya like a red-headed step-child.:sifone:

Dude! Sweet!
07-20-2009, 11:15 AM
OK so here's some pictures to give us our starting point and show a little progress from the weekend...

Dude! Sweet!
07-20-2009, 11:46 AM
Keep in mind that this boat was towed 3000 miles without a cover when you look at the bilge. It started cleaning up with very minimal effort.

Dude! Sweet!
07-20-2009, 11:49 AM
Couple more... Haven't tried to tackle the 5200 yet.

Dude! Sweet!
07-20-2009, 11:52 AM
And Chris, I wouldn't normally show the "dirty" pics, but it makes it look like I got more accomplished! :D

Basically I cleaned the floor by standing on those west marine oil eater towels while I was unbolting stuff... Hahaha.

tomcei
07-20-2009, 11:54 AM
now were talkin:sifone:

Dude! Sweet!
07-20-2009, 12:25 PM
I have 2 cams and a set of pistons as well. one of the cams is a 4/7 swap.
I would be happy to ship them to you if you wanted to have them checked out. there collecting dust over hear.

Thanks Tom! I'm going to see what Howard has kicking around local then I'll give you a shout! You're the man! :26:

Dude! Sweet!
07-20-2009, 12:27 PM
Looks like Valley Head Service is going to save the complete rotating assy and block. That's really good news since two weeks ago, it looked like I was making a really cool coffee table! So I think I'm just going to need a cam and some valvetrain stuff. Man, what a load off my mind... :sifone:

Dude! Sweet!
07-20-2009, 12:29 PM
And if any of you guys were into drag racing in the '70s, that is THE Valley Head Service. Kinda geeked about having those guys mess with the motor from a historical standpoint. Kittycat John's funny, he used to work there and is totally nonplussed by the whole thing. :D

Dude! Sweet!
07-20-2009, 12:31 PM
I was also looking at switching to the 360 wingplates, but my buddy just suggested these...

http://www.danamarineproducts.com/ProductDetails.cfm?group_id=15&catid=19&productid=124&CFID=652911&CFTOKEN=933f6f-8c8b64fa-c702-41ce-966a-48b721e47ca6

Then I could put my 280 tabs and pumps on the 24...

duunoit
07-20-2009, 12:41 PM
And Chris, I wouldn't normally show the "dirty" pics, but it makes it look like I got more accomplished! :D

Basically I cleaned the floor by standing on those west marine oil eater towels while I was unbolting stuff... Hahaha.

I just wish I had more time to clean it (and the "cover-alive") for you.

LittleDcsRodShop
07-20-2009, 12:42 PM
Glad to hear the madness has begun.. There's just something about those first few days of demolition that always get the adrenaline & imagination flowing well !!

Dude! Sweet!
07-20-2009, 01:00 PM
I just wish I had more time to clean it (and the "cover-alive") for you.

No worries Chris! I still haven't cleaned the cover! :sifone:

Dude! Sweet!
07-21-2009, 01:27 PM
John just called to tell me that the short block is ready... Probably won't get to assemble it for a couple weeks, but we're heading the right direction.

Dude! Sweet!
07-21-2009, 01:28 PM
Also just got a price this morning on those nice big billet Dana trim tabs... Probably going to put the 280s on the 24 and put the Dana's on the 28. Also sniffing around for a cheap used IMCO box... :reddevil:

duunoit
07-21-2009, 03:18 PM
Are they comparable in length to the 380s?

Dude! Sweet!
07-21-2009, 04:11 PM
Are they comparable in length to the 380s?

Yes sir!

Those 260 K planes would probably show that 24 who's boss too huh? :D

duunoit
07-21-2009, 04:18 PM
I'm sure they will. Heck the 150s (about 1/2 the length of the ones that you're going to put on there) that I had my old 24 worked pretty good.

Dude! Sweet!
07-21-2009, 05:32 PM
These are the ones I'm diggin' on...

http://www.danamarineproducts.com/ProductDetails.cfm?group_id=15&catid=19&productid=124&CFID=653860&CFTOKEN=874cc3-e64d47df-1941-4de4-95ae-ee867dd4a2bf

duunoit
07-21-2009, 06:16 PM
I like em.

What kind of fool shaves their head like your avatar? :D

Dude! Sweet!
07-21-2009, 07:09 PM
I like em.

What kind of fool shaves their head like your avatar? :D

I didn't even think of it until you said something, but damn dude... It looks just like you!

tomcei
07-21-2009, 07:13 PM
"what's the frequency Kenneth"

Looks kinda like the singer for REM

Dude! Sweet!
07-21-2009, 07:29 PM
"what's the frequency Kenneth"

Looks kinda like the singer for REM

Funny. There were a few songs I really liked by that band and a few that I really hated. If you're talking peach state bands, Allman Bros. will be my #1 choice though.

It's actually a picture of Hunter Thompson when he ran for sherriff of Aspen Colorado (or the county of...).

Dude! Sweet!
07-21-2009, 07:31 PM
Such a damn weird photo that I felt like I had to put it up for a bit.

LittleDcsRodShop
07-21-2009, 10:08 PM
I didn't even think of it until you said something, but damn dude... It looks just like you!

That was my first thought was "Its Chris"

Sounds like its moving along..

Allman brothers.. See you are truelly a displaced redneck

Dude! Sweet!
07-22-2009, 01:39 AM
C'mon now... would a redneck drive a truck like this... Oh, dang wait a minute! :sifone:

Dude! Sweet!
07-22-2009, 01:40 AM
I drive a diesel F250 crew cab 40 miles each way to work in Los Angeles (and Orange County)... Gotta be making up for four or five of those prius drivin' limpdicks! :reddevil:

You can take the boy off the dairy farm...

tomcei
07-22-2009, 07:34 PM
I drive a diesel F250 crew cab 40 miles each way to work in Los Angeles (and Orange County)... Gotta be making up for four or five of those prius drivin' limpdicks! :reddevil:

You can take the boy off the dairy farm...

God bless ya man!

Dude! Sweet!
07-29-2009, 05:30 PM
Just getting ready to head back to CA from FL. Had a nice morning with the Nunez family on Monday. Some good stories and got to have a look at the new twinstep boat in person. Always good stuff. Thanks for the (always) great hospitality!

duunoit
07-29-2009, 06:07 PM
I wish I was part of the jet-set:sifone:

rchevelle71
07-30-2009, 07:46 AM
Just getting ready to head back to CA from FL. Had a nice morning with the Nunez family on Monday. Some good stories and got to have a look at the new twinstep boat in person. Always good stuff. Thanks for the (always) great hospitality!

Wish I knew you were here, the waters have been nice, we could have gone for a ride in the 24:reddevil:

Mikeb4
07-30-2009, 09:06 AM
Nice to see you Pantera invigorated :driving:- big time Dude!!!! :USA:

Dude! Sweet!
07-30-2009, 04:35 PM
Wish I knew you were here, the waters have been nice, we could have gone for a ride in the 24:reddevil:

Rick, I was going to try to get in touch with you last week to see if you were around. Ended up kinda short on time Monday and it rained like an MF for about an hour right after I left Pantera anyhow.

I really appreciate the offer and will definately hit you up next time. Thanks bro!

Dude! Sweet!
07-30-2009, 04:36 PM
Nice to see you Pantera invigorated :driving:- big time Dude!!!! :USA:

Always nice to get a Miami Booster Shot! :sifone:

Dude! Sweet!
07-30-2009, 04:38 PM
Here's a couple of pics out the window of my buddy's office... If any of you Florida guys ever need a good tax lawyer, let me know and I'll hook you up with this dude.

Dude! Sweet!
07-30-2009, 04:42 PM
I wish I was part of the jet-set:sifone:

You know me! Highrollin' ha ha ha! :sifone:

Buoy
07-30-2009, 04:54 PM
You know me! Highrollin' ha ha ha! :sifone:

Yet so much more comfortable in the company of us swine.:sifone:

Dude! Sweet!
07-30-2009, 05:40 PM
Yet so much more comfortable in the company of us swine.:sifone:

And I mean that in the nicest way possible! :26:

Mikeb4
08-26-2009, 02:30 PM
[QUOTE=ar15meister;238677]I would be really interested in hearing how the 5 blade works out. I think a labbed 26p 4 blade bravo would be ideal on my boat especially with the tunnel ram. I would like to get a few more rpms.
QUOTE]

Jo thinks it may work well but best with some diameter taken out, stock may be too much. I really focus on fast cruise most of the time so it could be good,:huh: if not I will fall back to the 26 B1. I have a low RPM torque motor that HP peaks at 5200.

Also I don't seem to need more bow lift even with the light cabin work and elevated X position, but the five blade may help me confirm this.:coolgleamA:

Adam, the 24 Maximus five blade had crazy midrange 52 MPH at 3,650 but only a 7% slip so I could not pull it on the top end. Speed was down only a couple MPH but max RPM was too low. I liked the prop especially for everyday cruising but had concerns about the load on the drive, it clunked when shifting F-N-R and weighed a ton more than the B1 4 blade.

duunoit
08-26-2009, 02:47 PM
[QUOTE=Mikeb4;238859][I]

Adam, the 24 Maximus five blade had crazy midrange 52 MPH at 3,650 but only a 7% slip so I could not pull it on the top end. Speed was down only a couple MPH but max RPM was too low. I liked the prop especially for everyday cruising but had concerns about the load on the drive, it clunked when shifting F-N-R and weighed a ton more than the B1 4 blade.

What is your X set at? Do you have a notch? Sorry, can't remember.

Mikeb4
08-26-2009, 03:08 PM
[QUOTE=Mikeb4;305069]

What is your X set at? Do you have a notch? Sorry, can't remember.

I do have a notch and my X is the same as Adam's F1 I beleive ... JO knows exactly since my boat was set up the same as the F1 specs. Its high as I recall and I rooster pretty well at top end.

OK looked around and here: This is the last post Jo mentioned my boat was pretty high due to my setup and lighter weight.

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/pantera/201935-pics-video-last-summer.html

duunoit
08-26-2009, 03:31 PM
Mine is probably about the same...

Did you have a spacer in your drive when you tried the Maximus?

Mikeb4
08-26-2009, 03:42 PM
Mine is probably about the same...

Did you have a spacer in your drive when you tried the Maximus?

No, just standard X drive with dual water intake. I was so happy with my 26 Stock B1 (17% slip) that I was going to change only if something else was perfect without a lot of work (labbing/drive height etc ....)

I could do better spending time and money with Brett I'm sure, but it's just not a priority for me right now. I also tried a labbed 26 B1, labbed 28 B1, stock 24 B1, Hydromotive 4 blade and the stock Maximus 24.

By far I liked the stock 26 B1 for bow lift and overall boat position along with a good slip number, great cruising speed, and a good RPM for my dyno chart.

duunoit
08-26-2009, 04:49 PM
That's right, I forgot your boat doesn't have a whole lot of cabin...

Mikeb4
08-26-2009, 06:32 PM
Right, no cockpit or cabin liner, 90 gallon fuel tank and other F1 stuff, so Jo said it's supposed to be 800-1K pounds lighter. I added a little back with the sunpad/hatch and the light cabin interior but not too much, still pretty light.

duunoit
08-27-2009, 12:29 AM
Ever put it on a scale? Once I get mine all back together I'm going to weigh everything (truck boat and trailer), drop the boat and re-weigh.

Tomas Wallin
08-27-2009, 03:45 AM
I weighed my F1 with the new interior, blower motor, XR drive with oil cooler system etc. Completely empty besides the "cabin" bed.

The scale stopped at 4950lbs - that's about a 900lbs increase since new with the HP500 motor, bolster seats and bravo drive, and most likely as empty as it could be.

Mikeb4
08-27-2009, 09:12 AM
I never have weighed mine but the F1's have to be all pretty similar .... mine lost weight removing the blower/dual carbs/Super Chiller but gained on the hatch/swim platform/cabin finish. My cabin work is very minimal and is probably less weight than the bow weight they used when racing Adam's Black F1.

The Nunez's did a great job rigging the battery and pumps down low and centered. My battery is right on the bottom center at the bulkhead to keep the weight centralized and low.

ar15meister
08-27-2009, 11:45 AM
I never have weighed mine but the F1's have to be all pretty similar .... mine lost weight removing the blower/dual carbs/Super Chiller but gained on the hatch/swim platform/cabin finish. My cabin work is very minimal and is probably less weight than the bow weight they used when racing Adam's Black F1.

The Nunez's did a great job rigging the battery and pumps down low and centered. My battery is right on the bottom center at the bulkhead to keep the weight centralized and low.

my battery and pumps are identical.

ar15meister
08-27-2009, 11:48 AM
No, just standard X drive with dual water intake. I was so happy with my 26 Stock B1 (17% slip) that I was going to change only if something else was perfect without a lot of work (labbing/drive height etc ....)

I could do better spending time and money with Brett I'm sure, but it's just not a priority for me right now. I also tried a labbed 26 B1, labbed 28 B1, stock 24 B1, Hydromotive 4 blade and the stock Maximus 24.

By far I liked the stock 26 B1 for bow lift and overall boat position along with a good slip number, great cruising speed, and a good RPM for my dyno chart.

I run the exact same prop. I also have a 27 pitch 4 blade bravo which is on the boat right now actually.

I wouldnt mind getting a few more RPM but the boat runs spot on at 80mph with the 26 (which died last time out due to a blade being thrown).

rchevelle71
08-27-2009, 09:24 PM
Rick, I was going to try to get in touch with you last week to see if you were around. Ended up kinda short on time Monday and it rained like an MF for about an hour right after I left Pantera anyhow.

I really appreciate the offer and will definately hit you up next time. Thanks bro!


No Problem, next time your around, give a ring, always up for a ride:driving:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij5my3UOuTg

954-254-0414
Rick

Dude! Sweet!
08-30-2009, 02:18 PM
So, mix 9 parts beer, one part transom assembly and two parts drill with paint stripper wheel and this is what you get... :sifone:

Dude! Sweet!
08-30-2009, 02:18 PM
Maybe I'll finish taking it apart now, but hey it seemed like a good idea a the time! :D

DAREDEVIL
08-30-2009, 02:40 PM
So, mix 9 parts beer, one part transom assembly and two parts drill with paint stripper wheel and this is what you get... :sifone:

LOL:rofl:

Buoy
08-30-2009, 02:44 PM
Sean, I was at work last night went you sent me the pics.
Didn't have the chance to reply.

You're getting into one of my style projects...
Just keep getting yourself in deeper and deeper...

Next time I get a weekend off, maybe I'll head out your way.
You've got sofa space, right?:sifone:

Dude! Sweet!
08-30-2009, 03:06 PM
Sean, I was at work last night went you sent me the pics.
Didn't have the chance to reply.

You're getting into one of my style projects...
Just keep getting yourself in deeper and deeper...

Next time I get a weekend off, maybe I'll head out your way.
You've got sofa space, right?:sifone:

That I do bud. :)

Dude! Sweet!
08-30-2009, 03:07 PM
LOL:rofl:

Scott don't think I don't know that this is all some sort of subconsious marketing excercise to get me to buy your #4 drive and box off of you! :sifone:

Ratickle
08-30-2009, 03:09 PM
Scott don't think I don't know that this is all some sort of subconsious marketing excercise to get me to buy your #4 drive and box off of you! :sifone:

Is it working???????:sifone:

Dude! Sweet!
08-30-2009, 03:15 PM
Is it working???????:sifone:

That's not the point! :blush5:

Buoy
08-30-2009, 04:51 PM
Scott don't think I don't know that this is all some sort of subconsious marketing excercise to get me to buy your #4 drive and box off of you! :sifone:

#4 huh?

Don't know much about them.
I thought the only desirable drives are the 3A, and the 6.
Scott, don't take that as a knock to the 4, I just don't hear much about them.
If you wish to educate, by-all-means.:bigear:

Bobcat
08-30-2009, 05:21 PM
I can actually see the photos on these threads, so apparently someone with a camera has stolen Sean's identity........... I approve:sifone:

Buoy
08-30-2009, 05:49 PM
I can actually see the photos on these threads, so apparently someone with a camera has stolen Sean's identity........... I approve:sifone:

Freeze-Frame and Sharkey have been camping in the front yard at Seans place when they aren't out at the events. Jayboat hasn't made it out West yet, but I think he'd be up for it.
They figure that there is an opportunity there:26:

Dude! Sweet!
08-31-2009, 01:42 PM
#4 huh?

Don't know much about them.
I thought the only desirable drives are the 3A, and the 6.
Scott, don't take that as a knock to the 4, I just don't hear much about them.
If you wish to educate, by-all-means.:bigear:

Take this for what it's worth, but from what I've gleaned... #3 has small shaft internals and a deep lower, #3A is like the 3 but with bigger internals. #4 is sort of like a shortly #3 and a #5 is like a shortly 3A. That's what I got from reading through some stuff and talking to people. Whether it's right or not, I can't really say. I have been fantasing about putting a speedmaster on the boat. I believe Tunnel Vision ran a #4 on a box and Daredevil Scott happend to have one for sale I think (might have been a #5) so it kinda fit...

And there's your overly described internal monolouge for the day. :sifone:

Dude! Sweet!
08-31-2009, 04:11 PM
Posting this to see if my new sig shows up... Had to throw a little support for an "ex-girlfriend" of mine... :sifone:

DAREDEVIL
08-31-2009, 04:24 PM
Take this for what it's worth, but from what I've gleaned... #3 has small shaft internals and a deep lower, #3A is like the 3 but with bigger internals. #4 is sort of like a shortly #3 and a #5 is like a shortly 3A. That's what I got from reading through some stuff and talking to people. Whether it's right or not, I can't really say. I have been fantasing about putting a speedmaster on the boat. I believe Tunnel Vision ran a #4 on a box and Daredevil Scott happend to have one for sale I think (might have been a #5) so it kinda fit...

And there's your overly described internal monolouge for the day. :sifone:

Almost correct,,,but the #4 also came with a big shaft and later polygon upper gears and was almost as strong as a #5 also the lower housing on a #4 is a tat faster then #5,,,upper is the same and they have the exact same dimensions.
And yes i still have a few 4's ,5's,3'sand 3a's !!!!!

The polygon #4 big shaft and the #5 and 3A are rated at the same HP ( 750-800 HP ) they can take up to 1200 easy ,,the reason beying rated @ 750-800 was because bacj then this was the biggest engine package from merc.

DAREDEVIL
08-31-2009, 04:26 PM
Scott don't think I don't know that this is all some sort of subconsious marketing excercise to get me to buy your #4 drive and box off of you! :sifone:

HAHAHA,,just read this,,,your to funny. But hey its in real good condition and it would work.

Dude! Sweet!
08-31-2009, 06:04 PM
How much pain to convert a bravo boat to a speedie?

duunoit
08-31-2009, 06:47 PM
That's what it had on it before I bought it (3a, I think)... I know the hole is bigger so you probably wouldn't have to fill, just recut. Only thing is, I don't know how tall the drives are but I'm guessing they're like a TRS (longer) so you hmay have to fill if the new, higher cutout wouldn't cover the bravo hole. Also the motor would have to be pushed forward to make room for a trans...

DAREDEVIL
08-31-2009, 07:11 PM
#4 would give u higher X then the Bravo,,also only a little re-cut and engine moved forward. Thats it.

Actually not that much work, if u have room ,which u should if it had tranny's befor.

tomcei
08-31-2009, 09:03 PM
Ok.... this is where I should step in and tell you how special and important you are to all of us...... DON"T DO IT MAN!!......please put down the tools and step away from the boat!!! AND WE PROMISE NOBODY WILL GET HURT!! :03:

just kiddin:26:
Now keep posting pics or I may have to send out "Larry the leg breaker"

rchevelle71
08-31-2009, 09:08 PM
So, mix 9 parts beer, one part transom assembly and two parts drill with paint stripper wheel and this is what you get... :sifone:


Do I have to teach you everything about Chemichals..............

AIRCRAFT STRIPPER!!!

And who needs a respirator, when we were younger and dumber we used to paint cars in condo sized garages with no stinking respirator(I do use one today though:sifone:)

DAREDEVIL
08-31-2009, 09:12 PM
Ok.... this is where I should step in and tell you how special and important you are to all of us...... DON"T DO IT MAN!!......please put down the tools and step away from the boat!!! AND WE PROMISE NOBODY WILL GET HURT!! :03:
"Larry the leg breaker"

HAHA,,,tooo funny :rofl::sifone:

DAREDEVIL
08-31-2009, 09:14 PM
Do I have to teach you everything about Chemichals..............

AIRCRAFT STRIPPER!!!

And who needs a respirator, when we were younger and dumber we used to paint cars in condo sized garages with no stinking respirator(I do use one today though:sifone:)


Rick,,comon....u'r not getting high anymore .LOL:sifone:

Dude! Sweet!
08-31-2009, 09:20 PM
If I were going to self-diagnose, I'd say all this speedmaster talk is clearly a cry for help... :sifone:

Dude! Sweet!
08-31-2009, 09:22 PM
I'm just not sure if buying an SSM drive would land me in a mental hospital or the regular hospital after my wife finds out... :D

duunoit
08-31-2009, 09:23 PM
I tell you what, I'll give you $1000 for your IMCO drive towards your SSM :D

Buoy
08-31-2009, 09:25 PM
I'm just not sure if buying an SSM drive would land me in a mental hospital or the regular hospital after my wife finds out... :D

I'm guessing the mental hospital is within range whether or not you buy an SSM.:26:

I'm guessing medical hospital if the wife finds out - but how would she?
Do you really think she'll notice the difference?

duunoit
08-31-2009, 09:31 PM
Do you really think she'll notice the difference?

:sifone:

Mikeb4
08-31-2009, 09:37 PM
Do you really think she'll notice the difference?

+1 ... ahhhh yes - spoken like a true boat man!!:p: :cheers2:

Dude! Sweet!
08-31-2009, 09:58 PM
I'm guessing the mental hospital is within range whether or not you buy an SSM.:26:

I'm guessing medical hospital if the wife finds out - but how would she?
Do you really think she'll notice the difference?

Only in the check book! :sifone:

Buoy
08-31-2009, 10:02 PM
:sifone:


+1 ... ahhhh yes - spoken like a true boat man!!:p: :cheers2:

I must qualify this statement by saying this however...

My wife would actually know the difference just by looking at them, she actually knows what a #6 is, and if it was feasible in the budget, she'd be all for it.:sifone:(cool wife huh?)

Now my ex-wife, not a chance.
She had no clue what I did to my old boat.

rchevelle71
08-31-2009, 10:03 PM
Rick,,comon....u'r not getting high anymore .LOL:sifone:


Nope,

Just Beer for me now, and I even wear a respirator when I paint:ack2:

Dude! Sweet!
08-31-2009, 10:14 PM
I must qualify this statement by saying this however...

My wife would actually know the difference just by looking at them, she actually knows what a #6 is, and if it was feasible in the budget, she'd be all for it.:sifone:(cool wife huh?)

Now my ex-wife, not a chance.
She had no clue what I did to my old boat.

Yah, my wife cool with a lot of crazy crap if it fits the following requirements 1) I needed it, 2) it would make me happy (ha ha ha), 3) if it doesn't put us in the poor house...

Buoy
08-31-2009, 10:21 PM
Yah, my wife cool with a lot of crazy crap if it fits the following requirements 1) I needed it, 2) it would make me happy (ha ha ha), 3) if it doesn't put us in the poor house...


So you only have one, maybe two obstacles (the money thing is a separate point that only you can determine)
So what I'm hearing here is that you need to build the motor to a point that the Imco drive may be questionable behind it.
You will now NEED the SSM.

This is easy, and fun!:26:

What else do you want to NEED?? I'm sure I can make it sound like a logical decision in wife speak:sifone:

Dude! Sweet!
08-31-2009, 10:36 PM
Oh yah, there's a reason I've got all the stupid crap I do... I've already come up with the story that "if I sell the Imco before I blow it up, I can defray the cost of the Speedie..." Ha ha ha.

Buoy
08-31-2009, 10:49 PM
Oh yah, there's a reason I've got all the stupid crap I do... I've already come up with the story that "if I sell the Imco before I blow it up, I can defray the cost of the Speedie..." Ha ha ha.

I swear you and I share a bloodline somewhere down the line...:sifone:

DAREDEVIL
08-31-2009, 11:32 PM
Only in the check book! :sifone:

HAHA,,,i also take cash !!!! LOL:seeya::rofl:

Dude! Sweet!
09-01-2009, 05:53 PM
I swear you and I share a bloodline somewhere down the line...:sifone:

Bad transfusion maybe?! :biggrinjester:

tomcei
09-01-2009, 08:41 PM
Oh yah, there's a reason I've got all the stupid crap I do... I've already come up with the story that "if I sell the Imco before I blow it up, I can defray the cost of the Speedie..." Ha ha ha.

that's what I did

DAREDEVIL
09-01-2009, 09:24 PM
I may have someone for your IMCO,,,ani pictures of it ande what condition is it in,,i also know a guy looking for a gimbal assmb.
Let me know.

Dude! Sweet!
09-04-2009, 05:58 PM
Just got word that I have the green light to haul "Sea Sixty-nine" up to John's shop this weekend... Let the fun begin in earnest! :D (as in Ernest fixes a boat!)

duunoit
09-04-2009, 10:43 PM
Fun as in rebuilding a motor or cutting holes in a transom?

Dude! Sweet!
09-04-2009, 11:10 PM
Filling holes! Gonna fill the swimstep and tab holes along with the deck hatch and third fuel fill. Whee!

Dude! Sweet!
09-04-2009, 11:11 PM
And I think I'm going to repaint the bilge if I've got time, just for laughs. :D

tomcei
09-05-2009, 08:16 PM
talk to me before you start on the bilge

Buoy
09-05-2009, 08:19 PM
Hell, talk to Scotty before you paint the bilge.
The bilge in his boat is looking better than I'm expecting my whole boat to look when I'm done.

Trim'd Up
09-05-2009, 09:04 PM
My bilge looked pretty descent till I puked power steering fluid all over it. I need to clean it up I guess.

Dude! Sweet!
09-06-2009, 12:11 AM
Tom, I'll give a shout sometime this week.

Scott's bilge... I'm guessing that boat is going to be the first boat to ever win the Riddler... For those of you who haven't met Scott in person, I'll let you all in on a little secret, he's actually not human. He's an 11 foot tall, 2,200 pound, yellow, CNC robot that doesn't eat, doesn't sleep, just sands and paints and sands some more...

Scotty's boat is art, Tom's boat is beautiful. I'm shooting for mean and functional.

LittleDcsRodShop
09-06-2009, 04:40 PM
Tom, I'll give a shout sometime this week.

Scott's bilge... I'm guessing that boat is going to be the first boat to ever win the Riddler... For those of you who haven't met Scott in person, I'll let you all in on a little secret, he's actually not human. He's an 11 foot tall, 2,200 pound, yellow, CNC robot that doesn't eat, doesn't sleep, just sands and paints and sands some more...

Scotty's boat is art, Tom's boat is beautiful. I'm shooting for mean and functional.

Now folks that may be a bit of a stretch b/c Sean knows I'm only 6'4 / 220lbs..

And yes Toms boat is Beautiful !!

tomcei
09-06-2009, 07:04 PM
Now folks that may be a bit of a stretch b/c Sean knows I'm only 6'4 / 220lbs..

And yes Toms boat is Beautiful !!

It will be real purdy once Scott does my hatch :sifone:

Dude! Sweet!
09-07-2009, 11:43 PM
Got 'er up to John's shop today and started hacking... er I mean prepping the boat to get her back on the water.

We've had a couple of planning sessions with the "Star Chamber" and I think we've finally come up with a smart, realistic approach to moving forward with the refresh.

Anyhow, we didn't get a ton of stuff done today, but here's some pics...