Full Re-Rig, where to buy??

[Buoy]

I'm doing the full re-rig on the 24' Pantera.
30 year old wiring makes me uncomfortable, and as long as I've come as far as I have, might as well go all the way.

- Where do I buy wire to replace?
I want to make sure that the wire is color coded correctly to what is being used, and proper gauge.

- Throttle/Shift/Trim indicator cables.

- Hydraulics for steering/engine and tab trim.
Just want to replace hoses and fittings.

Any suggestions/tips/tricks?

[Buoy]

I found this list of color codes someplace else for the wiring.

[glassdave]

I found this list of color codes someplace else for the wiring.

how standard are those in the industry? And What year did that become standard?

[Chris]

Here's a good source for wire. http://www.bestboatwire.com/ Morse cables are pretty much what they are- everyone has them. For hydraulics, find a local Aeroquip or Parker distributor and have them make up what you need. They can order stainless fittings if you feel you need them. That route is easier and cheaper than the fittings you can self-install without a crinp press.

[Buoy]

how standard are those in the industry? And What year did that become standard?

I pulled this from some posts in Tech on "the other" site.
Posts were circa '04-'05 from some reputable sources.

Also pulled this http://www.marinemechanic.com/site/page101.html


If incorrect, point me in the right direction. I'll delete if necessary, don't want to have bad info floating around.

[Buoy]

Bestboatwire is temp closed due to supplier issues - at least that is what the header on there site is reading.

[Chris]

It looks like the newest one.

For a DIY, I'd label rather than color-code. You'll end up buying a bunch of wire you don't need if you code it. You can get great labelling tools and shrink-wrap them on and always know what wire is what.

[Chris]

http://gregsmarinewiresupply.com/

Another source. West Marine carries it too.

[Buoy]

It looks like the newest one.

For a DIY, I'd label rather than color-code. You'll end up buying a bunch of wire you don't need if you code it. You can get great labelling tools and shrink-wrap them on and always know what wire is what.

Good call.
I used buy stuff like that for all the equipment we had at my last job.
Any suggestions on basic color coding?
Any standards I should be following?
I know Black is ground, Red is hot, but anything else that would be considered standards for 12v wiring?

I'm planning on basically running a main +/- feed to the dash, and then breakers off that.
Obviously, this isn't going to be too complicated of a wiring system on a 30 yr old boat with basic rigging.

[fund razor]

http://gregsmarinewiresupply.com/
Another source. West Marine carries it too.

Greg started as a guy who bought all the colors, didn't he? :D

[Buoy]

Greg started as a guy who bought all the colors, didn't he? :D

I oughta send Marks buddy Susan to see you.

Oh wait, did somebody say "Concept"

[rotax454]

[QUOTE=Chris;207251]It looks like the newest one.

For a DIY, I'd label rather than color-code. You'll end up buying a bunch of wire you don't need if you code it. You can get great labelling tools and shrink-wrap them on and always know what wire is what.[/QUOTE

Your on the right track. How about hot stamped wire with the device or usage right on the insulation? i.e. port bilge blower star bilge blower

Use some basic colors for designation of the circuit use. RED for battery voltage + WHITE for ignition voltage + BLACK for all grounds
You get the picture. Put together a list of wires with the following:
gage-----length-----color------insulation imprint

All wire to be stranded copper, Delphi XLPE Thin Wall SAE J1128 Type TXL
I will quote you the cost per foot for each gage listed.

[fund razor]

Your on the right track. How about hot stamped wire with the device or usage right on the insulation? i.e. port bilge blower star bilge blower

Use some basic colors for designation of the circuit use. RED for battery voltage + WHITE for ignition voltage + BLACK for all grounds
You get the picture. Put together a list of wires with the following:
gage-----length-----color------insulation imprint

All wire to be stranded copper, Delphi XLPE Thin Wall SAE J1128 Type TXL
I will quote you the cost per foot for each gage listed.

So... like: "fuel sender fuel sender fuel sender fuel sender" all the way down the wire like feet markings?

[Buoy]

Are you saying that the wire would be stamped all down it's length with the designation of it's function?

Hmmm. That could be really cool for any troubleshooting down the road.

[fund razor]

So... is he saying that the same word would be printed over and over again all the way down the wire? :)

Ok Tim, you go.

[Buoy]

You either type faster, or have a faster connection.
I'm guessing a combination of both.:dupe:

I really like that idea though.
That would be pretty slick.

[fund razor]

Hot stamped. Not printed. Probably better. Ink would come off over time.

[Chris]

SAE wire is not marine grade. It's 12% smaller per gauge. So 12 AWG is going to be roughly equivalent to 10 SAE. And you want tinned conductor and shrunk insulation to keep corrosion down.

[jet]

http://www.cpperformance.com/SearchResult.aspx?CategoryID=109 Dell city wire has the rest of the stuff like brazed barrel wire ends and shrink rap with the glue......cheep

[klaw]

Painless performanxw labels there car kits along whole length wonder if they would get into noat wire Here is the abyc codes

Blk -Grounds-General
Blk/Brn -Pump Grounds
Blk/Red -Voltmeter Grounds
Blk/Org -Isolated Accessory Grounds
Blk/Yel -ignition stop
Blk/Grn -Water Level Sender Ground
Blk/Blu -Lighting Grounds
Blk/Gry -Nav Light Grounds
Blk/Wht -Battery Parallel Solenoid
Brown -Pumps-General, Bilge or Sump (Manually Switched)(Also alternator starter to Ign.)
Brn/Red -Pumps, Bilge or Sump
Brn/Org -Power feed to Auto Bilge Switches-Pumps, Fuel/Oil Tranfer or Priming
Brn/Yel -Baitwell or Aerator
Brn/Grn -Fresh Water Pump/Water Maker
Brn/Blu -Head Pump
Brn/Vio -Washdown Pump
Brn/Wht -trim pos sender
Red - Battery Feeds Unprotected
Red/Vio -Misc. Accy. Main Feed Protected (fused) from batt to trim panel.
Pink -Fuel Sender
Org/Blk -Audio System Feed
Org/Brn -Electric Head-Sanitation System
Org/Red -Wiper Port
Orange -Accessories common feed- Dist Panel to Acc switch-Anode Electrode-Mercathode
Org/Yel -Diesel Pre-heat
Org/Grn -Wiper Stbd
Org/Blu -Communications Equipment
Org/Vio -Navigation Equipment
Org/Wht -Wiper Center
Yel/Blk -Choke - Neutral saftey trans mounted
Yel/Red -Start Solenoid(starting circut), Neutral Safety
Yel/Org -Powered Ventilation, Fans
Yellow -Bilge Blowers -(also alternator DC output)
Yel/Wht -Rudder Angle Sender
Grn/Red -Stop Solenoid/Kill Switch
Grn/Yel -AC Grounding
Green -Bonding
Grn/Wht -Engine Trim in and or tilt down
Grn/Org -Engine Independent Trim down
Blu/Blk -Cabin Lights
Blu/Brn -Oil Temp Send
Blu/Red -Cabin or Cockpit Lights Port
Blu/Org -Engine Independent Tilt Up
Blu/Yel -Lighting Circuits to Remote Send
Blu/Grn -Cabin or Cockpit Lights Stbd
Blu -Instrument & General Lighting
Blu/Vio -Courtesy, Boarding Lighting
Blu/Wht -Engine Trim Outand/or Tilt Up
Light Blue -Oil Pressure
Vio/Red -Eng. or Generator B+ from Breaker
Vio/Yel -I/O Trim Up (ballast bypass)
Vio/Grn -I/O Trim Down
Vio -12v Ignition-Generator or Engine
Vio/Wht -Trim "Trailer" switch
Gry/Blk -Mast Light
Gry/Red -Spotlight Remote
Gry/Org -Docking Lights
Gry/Grn -Strobe or Beacon
Gry/Blu -Spreader/Flood Lights
Gry/Vio -Windlass/Winch
Gray -Navigation (running) Lights, Tach. Send
Gry/Wht -Anchor Light
Wht/Brn -Temp. Alarm or Indicator
Wht/Red -Fuel Alarm or Indicator -((Ignition module to Dist.)Mercury Thunderbolt Ignition)
Wht/Org -Fire Alarm or Indicator
Wht/Yel -Air Flow Alarm or Indicator
Wht/Grn -Water Press/Flow Alarm or Indicator - ((Ignition module to Dist.)Mercury Thunderbolt Ignition)
Wht/Blu -Oil Press Alarm or Indicator
Wht/Vio -Voltage Alarm or Indicator
White -General Alarm Usage, Yamaha Kill Switch
Tan - Water Temp sender
Tan/Blu -Warning system sense wire (Audio warning)
Pink -Fuel sender

[Ratickle]

Here is another link to the BIA color codes. My books are the same.

Ebay usually has decent prices on true tinned marine wire.

http://www.brokeboats.com/biacolors.html

[rotax454]

Hot stamped. Not printed. Probably better. Ink would come off over time.

Repeated the entire length of the wire run. Hot foil stamped (no ink). On the wire material: Yes, you are right on the SAE gage. Simply design your wire circuits around your peak load requirements. Yes, tinned is better. But only if you have not properly installed your terminals and protected the termination point. Therefore, liberal use of dual wall shrink tube. Look at it this way, even the finest auto manufacturers use SAE wire under the hoods of some very expensive vehicles. They follow strict manufacture and installation procedures. Can you say QS9000?

[opa]

why don't you buy a merc harness?

[MarylandMark]

I oughta send Marks buddy Susan to see you.

Oh wait, did somebody say "Concept"

I heard that...

Why not Boaters World? They are going out of business and have wire by them mile. Let me know and I'll check the 2 by me- was in there Thursday and they had a ton left of all flavors and fittings. Shipping may even cost out but doubt it.