Article: Key West 2014, Stock Outboard's Present and Future?

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You can view the page at http://seriousoffshore.com/forums/content.php?r=193-Key-West-2014-Stock-Outboard-s-Present-and-Future

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CLASS: SUPERBOAT STOCK
DIST: 28.6 LAP-1 LAP-2 LAP-3 LAP-4 LAP-5 LAP-6 LAP-7 LAP-8 LAP-9 LAP-10 TOTAL AVG PEN ELAPSED
START: 12:35:08 DIST. SPEED MIN TIME POS PTS
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S-29 TALBOT EXCAVATING 78.1 79.7 80.2 80.2 79.7 78.9 79.3 ------------------ 28.6 79.57 -- 00:21:34 1 250
S-110 SOS VENEZULA 77.5 78.1 79.7 78.5 79.7 78.9 79.3 ------------------ 28.6 78.96 -- 00:21:44 2 225
S-1 THE HULK REDLINE OIL 78.7 77.7 76.6 78.9 77.7 78.9 78.5 ------------------ 28.6 78.18 -- 00:21:57 3 202.5
S-111 5 BROTHERS GROCERY 72.0 75.8 76.2 77.0 75.1 75.5 77.0 ------------------ 28.6 75.71 -- 00:22:40 4 182.5
S-5 PAPA'S PILAR RUM 76.9 77.4 77.7 78.5 78.9 74.0 67.6 ------------------ 28.6 75.65 -- 00:22:41 5 164.5
S-27 RISKY BUSINESS 57.6 62.1 63.1 65.3 60.7 63.4 64.5 ------------------ 28.6 62.59 -- 00:27:25 6 148

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KEY WEST WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP
SBIP - NOVEMBER 7, 2014 - FRIDAY RACE - KEY WEST, FL
UNOFFICIAL RESULTS - TIME: 14:54:32
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CLASS: SUPERBOAT STOCK
DIST: 28.6 LAP-1 LAP-2 LAP-3 LAP-4 LAP-5 LAP-6 LAP-7 LAP-8 LAP-9 LAP-10 TOTAL AVG PEN ELAPSED
START: 12:35:37 DIST. SPEED MIN TIME POS PTS
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S-29 TALBOT EXCAVATING 86.1 86.4 86.9 86.9 87.4 86.0 86.9 ------------------ 28.6 86.74 -- 00:19:47 1 250
S-1 THE HULK REDLINE OIL 85.4 86.0 85.0 86.9 86.4 86.4 86.0 ------------------ 28.6 86.09 -- 00:19:56 2 225
S-110 SOS VENEZULA 84.0 85.0 84.1 84.5 85.5 83.6 82.7 ------------------ 28.6 84.26 -- 00:20:22 3 202.5
S-5 PAPA'S PILAR RUM 81.9 82.7 84.5 84.1 84.1 83.6 82.7 ------------------ 28.6 83.50 -- 00:20:33 4 182.5
S-111 5 BROTHERS GROCERY 80.6 81.4 81.9 82.7 80.6 81.4 81.0 ------------------ 28.6 81.46 -- 00:21:04 5 164.5
S-27 RISKY BUSINESS 69.0 72.6 71.0 73.3 70.6 69.4 ------------------------ 24.3 71.12 -- 00:20:30 6 148

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Talbot closing in on third world powerboat title

By: Kitsap Sun staff

Posted: 7:07 PM, Nov 7, 2014

Silverdale's Kyler Talbot won his second race of the three-race series during the 34th annual Key West World Championship Offshore Powerboat races on Friday. Talbot and throttleman Jay Mullen from New Jersey led the Superboat Stock-class race from start to finish.

http://www.kitsapsun.com/sports/talbot-closing-in-on-third-world-powerboat-title_35596940

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Sunday's rough water certainly took its toll on the boats. With Talbot breaking a motor, the entire expectations of those watching were changed. The Final places were SOS Venezuela, The Hulk, and Papa's Pilar Rum. Talbot excavating ended up fourth for the week.

http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll434/FreezeFrameVideo/2014keywest/570.jpg

[stevequick]

The conditions were not great for a 28 even on Wednesday and Friday. The Risky Business guys are a too savvy and experienced to tear their boat up for nothing. My read from most of the Stock guys is that they don't want to go slower. The 200XS's (240 hp) might be an answer. If they can be slightly warmed up possibly even the answer. The 'test' in Key West did nothing to help their case.

[Ratickle]

Yep, that was unfortunate. I'm a bit curious about what their speeds were on Wednesday and Friday. The big questions, will SBI and APBA/UIM make the rules match for both organizations, or will there continue to be dissimilar rules as there currently are. I'm hoping the team owners will push towards standardizing the rules as the first step towards a new power package, no ,matter when and what it is. The current engines won't last forever, and the 300 will not fit the UIM/APBA rules I don't believe.

[stevequick]

The SS fleet averaged 77.61 on Wednesday Risky Business averaged 62.59. Friday the fleet was 84 and Risky Business was 71. As I said, it was not a fair test for the motors. Based on absolutely no factual evidence I suspect a 32' boat would have been about 6-10 mph slower. Currently I have no dog in this hunt. When I do the thought of an easily accessed low maintenance motor will be very appealing. 5mph slower would not bother me either. I have seen motor changes take the excitement/thrill factor out of another class I used to race. That is something we need to be careful of.

[Ratickle]

Very careful.

SBI has the weight benefit/restriction rules for the wider tunnels versus the narrow tunnels. With their weight differences, and a 28' wide tunnel boat made to take all the benefits of the 240HP engine, I believe the 5mph slower range is possible. But, the only way to know for sure is to compare an apples to apples boat. Rumors have it Gary is having a 28 wide tunnel built. Do you chat with him?

Also, APBA/UIM does not have the weight modification rules for tunnel width. But, they don't allow the modified ECM's that SBI allows. Is that because it's easy to monitor maximum RPM with today's data-loggers but not easy to catch a modified ECM?

[Ratickle]

SBI

6.2.12 Tunnel Width no more than 63”. Any boat having less than 63” in the tunnel may reduce its overall weight by 25lbs. per inch of tunnel, from their base weight.
Example: Base Boat – Doug Wright 32’ with the 63” tunnel weight is 4,300 lbs
32’ with the 61” tunnel would be 4,275 lbs
32’ with the 60” tunnel would be 4,250 lbs BOTTOM LINE-Doug Wright 32’(older models)57” tunnel would be 4,150 lbs
a total reduction of 150 lbs.
6.2.13 Minimum overall length of 28’ with a maximum of 32’.
6.3 Minimum weight: 28’ … 3,800lb
29’ … 3,925lb
30’ … 4,050lb
31’ … 4,175lb
32’ …4,300lb

APBA
All Super Stock (SS) Class boats must adhere strictly to the following specifications. Please also refer to the rules pertaining to all APBA Offshore classes.
1 - Dimensions:
Hull type:Catamaran
Length minimum:28' 0"
Length maximum:32' 0"
Beam maximum:10' 6”
Tunnel width maximum (measured at keel):65"
Weight minimum 28 feet:3,800lb
Weight minimum 29 feet:3,925lb
Weight minimum 30 feet:4,050lb
Weight minimum 31 feet:4,175lb
Weight minimum 32 feet:4,300lb

[Riskybusiness racing]

We were actually surprised how well the boat ran. Since we didn't get to test to much before we made our long haul out from California. The boat was down on power big time compared to the other boats and the tunnel width. We did see 95 mph going out to turn one. The boat will be getting lots of work done. Maybe widening it and put some different motors on. But it was just a good time and a lot if fun!

[2TR]

The old girl ran good with a couple mildly modified 2.5/260's - not sure on the H.P, Maybe 270/280?? :hurray:

Wonder how she will run with a couple 200xs - I need to get a weight this weekend.
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[Riskybusiness racing]

We ran with the 200xs.. It ran good bit just wasn't enough horsepower. To keep up with the other boats. Those motors we had were 240 horsepower a motor, so we were significantly down on power. But they are way cool motors. Very cool and easy maintenance motors.

[Ratickle]

If you had the time to set it up and work with props, what do you think you could have done? 240 HP isn't that much less than the 280 of the 2.5's.

What's your tunnel width and weight?

[Riskybusiness racing]

If I had more time we could have tried more options. But we threw those on, ran it on the river by my house. Broke the motors in and hauled ass to key west. I wish we had more time to set motor height and try more props out, but no one is really running those on a cat like us so we had to just go with it. I would be so pumped up if they decided to run these motors.

[Ratickle]

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m126/pete454/AQ5T5956_zps3e24f76d.jpg (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/pete454/media/AQ5T5956_zps3e24f76d.jpg.html)

Nice shot.

[2TR]

If I had more time we could have tried more options. But we threw those on, ran it on the river by my house. Broke the motors in and hauled ass to key west. I wish we had more time to set motor height and try more props out, but no one is really running those on a cat like us so we had to just go with it. I would be so pumped up if they decided to run these motors.

Couple questions:

Whats was your boats weight at KY?
and whats your tunnel width on that skater?

[Ratickle]

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m126/pete454/AQ5T8059_zpsde6e7002.jpg

Shoot 2 Thrill Pix

[Riskybusiness racing]

The weight was 4250. There is a lot to take out but when that boat was built it had three outboards on. So it is a little heavy. There are a lot if options to do. We were going to change all batteries, seats , Etc...
The tunnel is very short, I believe it's 43" across from each sponson. But it would be a badass boat if we widened it to 63" . I think it would be awesome competition if the boats were all equal.

[Ratickle]

At 43" tunnel you could have been as light as 3300 lbs. and been legal?

[Riskybusiness racing]

At 43" tunnel you could have been as light as 3300 lbs. and been legal?

Yes, we were way heavy,but we didn't have anytime to really get everything in order. If the boat doesn't sell without motors, we are going to widen it and make it some what lighter. It's going to be a lot of work but I think it'll be a fast boat. Those seats in there are like 100 pounds so there is a lot of possibilities to do.

[Ratickle]

That is a lot of weight to remove, especially if you're going to add weight by widening it.......


Next time I see Peter I'll chat with him about it if you want me to. Maybe next week I'll see him for lunch or something.

[Riskybusiness racing]

No thanks, but I appreciate it. I have talked to him about it already. So we have a couple different options to do.

[2TR]

Not sure if widening the hull would be cost effective, but you do have a twin F-16 Canopy so you wont have to rebuild the drivers compartment.... what the Hell, do it !!

Now I'm hearing talk about a "new" mercury performance outboard killing the 200Xs before it even got off the ground.. :toetap05:

Maybe I should look into Yamaha, eTEC or some other brand..

[Serious News]

The possibility exists.

350 Xcat Mercury's testing

http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww310/ptrose/Misc%20and%20Personal%20Boats/xcatverado1.jpg (http://s730.photobucket.com/user/ptrose/media/Misc%20and%20Personal%20Boats/xcatverado1.jpg.html)

http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww310/ptrose/Misc%20and%20Personal%20Boats/xcatverado3.jpg (http://s730.photobucket.com/user/ptrose/media/Misc%20and%20Personal%20Boats/xcatverado3.jpg.html)

[Ratickle]

No way you should look into a Yamaha though. Mercury is still king of high performance. Unless you want to put a couple Seven's on it!!!!!:eek:

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http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww310/ptrose/Misc%20and%20Personal%20Boats/xcatverado.jpg (http://s730.photobucket.com/user/ptrose/media/Misc%20and%20Personal%20Boats/xcatverado.jpg.html)

http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww310/ptrose/Misc%20and%20Personal%20Boats/xcatverado2.jpg (http://s730.photobucket.com/user/ptrose/media/Misc%20and%20Personal%20Boats/xcatverado2.jpg.html)

[Ratickle]

I'm sure hoping that 350 does not become the engine of choice for the class. That would take a whole lot of teams out of the game.

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13 December 2014, Dubai – The overall Series may have already been secured, and they may have been testing new engines, but the Fazza pair of Arif Al Zaffain and Nadir bin Hendi simply couldn’t resist that top step of the podium at the Emirates Airline XCAT GP this afternoon.

Because they were testing the soon-to-be-introduced four-stroke engines, it had been decided that Fazza would not earn any points for this race, meaning the final showdown was for the remaining podium places in the overall 2014 UIM Skydive Dubai XCAT World Series.

They had to stave off a tough challenge from fellow Victory Team members, Dubai 7 (Salem Al Adidi and Jay Price) though, who also had an impressive start from lower down the order to challenge for a top spot straight away, going head to head with Fazza at one stage, but eventually settling for second place.

“It was very good – especially with trying the new engines this weekend to see if we could complete the race and thank God we did,” said Bin Hendi afterwards. “This is a new start for these new engines and we are very happy to have won this race here.”

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/dubai-boats-dominate-home-waters-emirates-airline-xcat-062240857.html

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FAZZA CLAIMS VICTORY WITH MERCURY 4 STROKES
Although no points were awarded to Fazza due to running 4 stroke outboards, it's remarkable how the Victory Team claimed the win

Are these the engines of the 'green' future?

The question is 'How do the Victory Team achieve, what some might say was impossible?'.

As the reigning World X Cat Champions Arif Al Zaffain and Nadir Bin Hendi already had the 2014 title sewn up, it was decided to fit their cat with the engines of the future, i.e. two Mercury 4 strokes.

The units were heavier and we assumed they did not punch out as much power as the tried and tested 2 strokes. This looked true during practice, and pole position dashes.

However when it came to the race itself, Al Zaffain and Bin Hendi produced an awesome performance to clinch victory ahead of hard charging American Jay Price in Dubai 7.

It was agreed in advance that because these engines were new and had not been homologated, points would not be awarded to Fazza regardless where they finish.

http://raceboatinternational.com/index.php?id=2215

[Ratickle]

I cannot wait to hear more about this test....

[Riskybusiness racing]

Not sure if widening the hull would be cost effective, but you do have a twin F-16 Canopy so you wont have to rebuild the drivers compartment.... what the Hell, do it !!

Now I'm hearing talk about a "new" mercury performance outboard killing the 200Xs before it even got off the ground.. :toetap05:

Maybe I should look into Yamaha, eTEC or some other brand..

Well if I was to cut it up, we were just going to do all new canopy. I think it would be very fast. Look at fazza's 28' cat. That is a 28' with 63" tunnel. The cost really isn't that bad to cut it up. It was a lot cheaper than we thought, but if we are already doing all that why not just build a new boat or buy a used Doug wright. Sell this one and let someone else have fun and race it or do whatever.
Those new motors are badass! Can't wait to see how much they cost....

[Ratickle]

I'm thinking I'll be able to wait a long time to see what they cost. The current 350 sci is around $35,000 best.

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Risky Business Getting Back In Business

Among the significant changes in store for the 28-footer is widening its tunnel 19 inches to the maximum allowable tunnel width of 63 inches in the Super Boat International Stock class, according to Smart Marine Services owner Chris Schoenbohm. An experienced offshore racer, Schoenbohm expanded the tunnel of his own 32-foot Doug Wright offshore racing catamaran last year.

"Nick decided that instead of going with a new design he was going to work with us to modify that boat to existing specifications for Stock class 28-footers," said Schoenbohm.

Dorcich said he was impressed—and inspired—by the work Schoenbohm had done on his own 32-footer. The cat finished first overall in Stock class at the 2014 Super Boat International Offshore World Championships in Key West, Fla.

Read the Entire Article at Speed On The Water here: http://speedonthewater.com/boat-restorationsprojectsupgrades/2662-risky-business-getting-back-in-business