Apache Off-Shore 1986 - $10500 (santa rosa)

[Ratickle]

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1986 Apache "Brave" 22 1/2' offshore boat - "Aqua-Holic"

350 Chevy with Mercruiser Alpha outdrive / stainless prop

Seats 5 - 2 front buckets and 3 person rear bench seat - white interior

Cockpit snap-on mooring cover and complete boat cover

Red Sunbrella bimini top

Teak swim platform

Top speed 60 MPH.

Tandem axle trailer

Will only respond to requests with "Apache" in subject line.

WILL CONSIDER TRADES FOR 1969 Camaro or 1965 - 1966 MUSTANG FASTBACK OF EQUAL VALUE.


http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/boa/4203726995.html

[Ratickle]

This one is a bit confusing. Isn't the Brave a 28' and the Scout a 21'?

Did the Scout actually measure 22 1/2 centerline?

[Geronimo36]

This one is a bit confusing. Isn't the Brave a 28' and the Scout a 21'?

Did the Scout actually measure 22 1/2 centerline?

I think it may have actually been 21' and change instead of 22? I guess I'll have to measure mine.

[Ratickle]

Hey Frank, how are you doing? But yours is a Scout, correct? I'm trying to figure out how there was a 22 1/2' Brave. I'm actually wondering if it's a real Apache at this point.

[Geronimo36]

Doing well, thank you. Yeah, it's a gen 1 Scout. They are stamped 22' but its a 21'. I think it was for sale on the west coast. Same design I have.
http://s706.photobucket.com/user/Fungarten1/library/Apache%20Scout

[jetcruzr]

That is a cool project you have going, Frank. That is going to be a really cool little machine!

[Geronimo36]

Thanks. It's been a really fun boat to use when not running the big boat. The kids enjoy it too.

Below is the first day on the water last year after reviving the boat from Hurricane Sandy. Also a video of the first fire-up a few weeks ago with the new 355" I built this winter. Should be finished with the dyno in the next 2 wks, hoping for 450hp.

http://youtu.be/dkp1hBi25-o

http://youtu.be/9RlLV8QBbCk

[Serious News]

Anyone know the history??


Apache Dynamite 23

1986 23'

1 x 280 hp

$8,000

Description:
One of the first apache boats ever made!

the fiberglass is in really good shape.
the interior needs a little work

For more information please mail.
http://www.powerboatlistings.com/view/20635

[Ratickle]

Firing it up on the garage floor is just too cool!!!:26:


What kind of performance increases are you hoping for?

[Geronimo36]

The 2nd boat posted also looks like a regular Scout and my guess is it's a typo on the length.

Last year the Scout ran 63 mph with a stock 300 hp, 350mpi so I'm expecting to see low 70's. In my late teenage years I worked on this boat and at the time it had a 400 hp, 383 in it. It supposedly ran 72 so I'm using that number as my bench mark.

[Serious Sightings]

Re-posted for sale

1986 Apache "Brave" 22 1/2' offshore boat - "Aqua-Holic"

350 Chevy with Mercruiser Alpha outdrive / stainless prop

Seats 5 - 2 front buckets and 3 person rear bench seat - white interior

Cockpit snap-on mooring cover and complete boat cover

Red Sunbrella bimini top

Teak swim platform

Top speed 60 MPH.

Tandem axle trailer

Will only respond to requests with "Apache" in subject line.

WILL CONSIDER TRADES FOR 1969 Camaro or 1965 - 1966 MUSTANG FASTBACK OF EQUAL VALUE.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/boa/4398999418.html

[Apache Doug]

To all. Just purchased the scout. 6 grand. The boat is all original and very low hours for it age . No modification what so ever not even a stereo . The out drive has very little paint wear looks like the boat has about 300 hours. Boat was always stored inside:hurray:

[Apache Doug]

Can any one let me know how I did on price

[Ratickle]

I think you did awesome on the price. If it runs and there is no wood rot, you have yourself an awesome piece of Apache history to play with for a real bargain.

Will you it in the Sacramento River Delta or the Bay?

[fund razor]

Can any one let me know how I did on price

You won't know for a while.
In the fullness of time, all will be revealed. My Apache only cost me about 3-4 times what I paid for it.
Best of luck.

[rschap1]

Congrats
Good luck with it

[Apache Doug]

I will post more pics after work. Not sure if I will run it in the bay salt water . The top of the bay is 20 min from house . The boat has never been in salt water . The boat is a virgin unmolested . I would bet this is the cleanest unrestored Apache scout . I will post photos and videos in the coming weeks

[Apache Doug]

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[Apache Doug]

80109. Look close at pics 1986 small block you can tell by the valve covers Look at the original steering wheel in perfect shape . Still has the original apache center cap

[fund razor]

Pressure test the exhaust manifolds and check the riser gaskets. Split the alpha and do the gaskets and impeller. The rest I would play by ear with an SBC.

As for your paint question elsewhere... hard to tell the original paint scheme, because they were all different.
I know Gail did the Braves, but I can't remember if she did the Scouts. Might be worth asking her.

[Apache Doug]

Thanks razor for the advice . I planned on out drive work . I was not thing of the exhaust logs but you right they are old and need testing . Can I preasure test on the motor or do I remove .

[fund razor]

Thanks razor for the advice . I planned on out drive work . I was not thing of the exhaust logs but you right they are old and need testing . Can I preasure test on the motor or do I remove .

I was just thinking of things I would test or replace no matter what, even if a boat had been well maintained like the Scout appears. The manifolds are tested off of the boat. For that kind of exhaust, the joint between the manifold and the riser is always a concern after a while. My last boat that used "stock" type wet exhaust manifolds and risers, when they got really old, I replaced them with cast aftermarket GLM manifolds relatively cheap. Obviously salt vs. fresh makes a difference, as well as hours. Everything about your Scout says low hours, so maybe there is no issue with them. But the rule of thumb is to test them every few seasons even if they are not leaking.

Oh, I'd be really tempted to replace the outdrive bellows too. (More cheap insurance.)

I miss small blocks sometimes. So much cheaper to work on and repower.

[Apache Doug]

Thanks fund razor for the advise . I plane on splitting the out drive . Anyone use AMSOIL FOR OUT DRIVE OR STICK WITH MERCRUISER OIL . Razor I had not thought to check the exhaust logs. I see on line some people use acetone . Is there a way to test without removing from the heads.

[Apache Doug]

I am sure this boat is original paint scheme. Here is an original picture from sales pamphlet . 80142 It is hard to tell is this gray or a metallic gray silver . I can't stand yellow and may paint the yellow this gray , and letter the boat just like the photo
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[Apache Doug]

Sorry razor I did not see your post . I will for sure pull the exhaust and check . The bellows will need Changed I am sure . The previous owner only changed oil in out drive . The cap rotor and wires looks to be original or at least 20 years old , but run ok . I have had sbc for years and yes cheap . I will run the 350 for a wile but want to upgrade if I find a great deal on a big block . Again thanks for the advise fund razor and thanks for the serious off shore web site

[fund razor]

Thanks fund razor for the advise . I plane on splitting the out drive . Anyone use AMSOIL FOR OUT DRIVE OR STICK WITH MERCRUISER OIL . Razor I had not thought to check the exhaust logs. I see on line some people use acetone . Is there a way to test without removing from the heads.

I personally use whatever they call the "Mercury Hi Perf gear oil." I think they renamed it or repackaged it or something. The name may have changed, I can't recall. I have always used it with good luck. It's green. I used it with alphas, OMC Cobras, and Bravos.

I'm sure there is a way to check the manifolds on the boat, but I haven't done it. I have always taken them off.

I like small blocks. Maybe it's a case of grass is greener, but I had some nice smallblocks over the years. My big blocks are nice, but I am having trouble justifying the enormous cost difference on a relatively small boat. Two big blocks in a 28 is kind of fun, but also overkill almost all of the time. If my boat wasn't so heavy and had a higher X dimension, it wouldn't need them.

I could see having a small block boat again sometime.

[Ratickle]

I'm with Fund, keep it a small block boat. With todays technology on small block Chevy's, 700+ horsepower lives fine naturally aspirated and 1000 horsepower is makeable, and liveable, with turbo's or blowers. Heck, you can go buy a 627 horsepower smallblock outboard........

[Apache Doug]

Fund and rat you guys are right. Small block is the way to go . I have had big blocks years ago and things have changed in the small block world heads cams and stroked 383 etc . I took the boat out and best I could get was 53 miles an hour .the motor was cutting out not sure if it is ignition or fuel delivery prob . Ordered cap rotor wires on ebay will get plugs in town will start there . 53 is not going to cut it . I will get some more pictures soon . For its age the boat is clean

[Apache Doug]

Let the money pit begin ooh and the need for speed :sifone

[Apache Doug]

Raticle. Cool logo you have reminds me of the weird rod stickers back in the early 70s

[Ratickle]

Thanks, I've been a Big Daddy Roth fan forever. Here's the story on my Sig Line/Avatar, and many others!!

http://seriousoffshore.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5306

[fund razor]

Let the money pit begin ooh and the need for speed :sifone

If you are going to do this right, you need to start over with a boat that needs new twins or triples and is too big for your current truck to pull. :)

[Ratickle]

If you are going to do this right, you need to start over with a boat that needs new twins or triples and is too big for your current truck to pull. :)

Now you're teaching !!!!!!:eek: