21' Scout, making a comeback !

[Area188]

7485274853

[Ratickle]

Welcome to Serious,



Awesome, I can't wait to see and hear the rest of this story.....

[Area188]

New company named Defender Powerboats. Molds were purchased in Georgia and brought back to Florida.

[Bobcat]

Good luck, and keep us posted.

[jetcruzr]

Very Cool! Please keep posting with progress!

[old377guy]

inquiring minds NEED to know

[Area188]

Good luck, and keep us posted.

Thank you, I'll be posting some new pic's after Thanksgiving....

[jetcruzr]

So, what will it have for power? When do you expect the boat to hit the water?

[Area188]

So, what will it have for power? When do you expect the boat to hit the water?

Hello Jetcruzer, Thanks for the interest in the new Defender 21 Scout. Sorry, I can't answer your power option question because the hull and deck are still in the build phase and the U.S. Coast Guard still has to inspect the boat to determine the "max HP" for the boat. Safety and attention to detail will always be my first area of concern when building any Defender Powerboat. (Something thats been hammered into me by the U. S. Air Force)

To date, everything is on schedule and I hope to complete my first Scout sometime in February, before the Miami Boat Show.

[Bobcat]

Cool, looking forward to seeing it at the show.

[Area188]

Cool, looking forward to seeing it at the show.

Thanks Bobcat, I'm pretty confident that with Bob Saccenti's friendly advise and guidance
the new Defender 21 Scout's comeback will be a big hit just as it was when "He" introduced it back in the 1980's.

[Offshore Ginger]

Defender , not to be rude but maybe you should seriously think about moving your membership up a notch other then being just Registered , considering ...........................you are claiming to be a new Boat Co , named Defender Powerboats based out of Florida , which is just a suggestion , and something to truely think about !!!!!!!!! Just my 2 cents .

[Area188]

Defender , not to be rude but maybe you should seriously think about moving your membership up a notch other then being just Registered , considering ...........................you are claiming to be a new Boat Co , named Defender Powerboats based out of Florida , which is just a suggestion , and something to truely think about !!!!!!!!! Just my 2 cents .


Thanks Offshore Ginger. Yes, I will eventually have to upgrade. I'll keep that in mind.... One day at a time
BTW, your 2 cents is allways welcome.

[Offshore Ginger]

Have you started your layup yet and if so what is your schedule .

[Area188]

I know Bob Saccenti upgraded the original lamination schedule using today's newest composite materials and technology.
We do not know exactly how much the hull and deck will weigh until we pull the first boat. Bob did say the new Scout will be lighter and stronger than the original ones he built.....

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/DSCN20251.jpg http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/DSCN20261.jpg

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/DSCN22041.jpg http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/DSCN22061-1.jpg

[jetcruzr]

So Cool!

[Ratickle]

Well, if Bobby's assisting, the area188 makes a whole lot of good sense now. :)


I like that, kind of like the Area51 of performance boating!!!!!!

[Bobcat]

:iagree::iagree::iagree:

[Area188]

:USA:
Well, if Bobby's assisting, the area188 makes a whole lot of good sense now. :)


I like that, kind of like the Area51 of performance boating!!!!!!

Guess you can say that...... Here's a declassified photo of the 21' Scout molds before the layup began.
http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/21Scoutand42Chief.jpg

[Offshore Ginger]

:iagree:
:iagree::iagree::iagree:

[Area188]

Special thanks for all the positive posts... Production is moving foward as scheduled.

21' Scout deck being vacuum bagged. We are using today's newest composite materials and building technologies.

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Defender%2021%20Scout/DSCF39691.jpg http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Defender%2021%20Scout/DeckVac.jpg

[Buoy]

Is it really beneficial to bag the deck??
I understand bagging the hull = strength.
Are you bagging the deck for weight saving?

I'm not being a smartazz, educate me.

[Offshore Ginger]

So does that mean you are using Epoxy, S & E Glass , Carbon Fiber , Kevlar , and just curious what type of core ?
Special thanks for all the positive posts... Production is moving foward as scheduled.

21' Scout deck being vacuum bagged. We are using today's newest composite materials and building technologies.

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Defender%2021%20Scout/DSCF39691.jpg http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Defender%2021%20Scout/DeckVac.jpg

[Offshore Ginger]

Buoy , Yes bagging is beneficial not only for saving weight , adding strength , and giving the part a cleaner & nicer looking layup, along with hopefully eliminating that chance of human error when doing an old school conventional layup .

[Buoy]

Artie, I understand the weight/strength aspect.

What do you mean by "cleaner/nicer" layup?
And the "human error" part, are you referring to glass not getting fully saturated with resin?

I've just never really thought of the need for bagging a deck, but then again, I was just a dumb carpenter, not a boat builder:huh:

Thanks for the reply BTW.

[Duke]

Excellent, a modern version of a classic!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yge1U8EsCEk

Subscribed!!

[Ratickle]

Bobby must be real excited to see another one of his designs get back in the thick of things with the newer glass weaves and layup schedules....


I know I am!!!!!:hurray:

[Area188]

So does that mean you are using Epoxy, S & E Glass , Carbon Fiber , Kevlar , and just curious what type of core ?

All Defender Scouts are built of the highest quality products. We use vacuum bagging for positive saturation and removal of excess resin. The end result of this high tech process is a lighter, stronger and a cleaner uniformed lamination. Furthermore this process "eliminates" voids and air pockets within the structure that could eventually cause "delimitation"... The major composite components in use are: Airex core, Vinylester resin and Multidirectional fiberglass..... And thats all i'm gonna say about that....

[Buoy]

Very cool!
I'm enjoying this thread.

[Offshore Ginger]

Buoy , the bottom line is when ever a part is laminated using the old school ( conventional hand layup ) it has a tendency ) to be somewhat sloppy , resin rich , and once again room for human error do to the lack of poor workmanship (or person / persons ) involved doing the layup ,and like mentioned above Vaccum bagging offers a more controlled state with less room for mistakes or a poorly made part which leaves us with Infusion that is even more controlling right down to the weight everytime which is something we tried for a very short time when i was at Skater going back to just bagging .

[Offshore Ginger]

To tell you the truth if i find an old Scout that is in need of serious repair ...........it will end up with an I.O. ,with the well being removed , and the reason being is ......................i just don't like Egg - beaters.............Period .

[Buoy]

Thanks for the explanation.
Makes sense.
The idea of bagging the deck on a small boat like this seems like overkill. But, how can I say that overkill is a bad thing. I'm not criticizing the build at all. It looks like they are doing all the right things.

I'm not a fan of egg eaters either, but, I've never owned one. Maybe they are ideal depending on how/where you boat.
I just love the sound of a BBC through at least semi dry pipes.

[Offshore Ginger]

:iagree: Buoy , i also like to hear the sound of a BBC ( noise) coming out the back thru the exhaust tip's .

[Duke]

Bobby must be real excited to see another one of his designs get back in the thick of things with the newer glass weaves and layup schedules....


I know I am!!!!!:hurray:

Looking to buy a new boat next year, the Defender Scout looks very interesting.
Tracking this thread close, possible customer here too.

[Area188]

Looking to buy a new boat next year, the Defender Scout looks very interesting.
Tracking this thread close, possible customer here too.

Good to hear that Duke. You won't be disappointed if you go with the new 21 Scout..... PM me for more info.

[Area188]

Bob Saccenti keeps a watchful eye on the construction techniques used to build the new 21' Scout.

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/DSCN22991.jpg

[jetcruzr]

This is such a cool thread. Thanks for the pictures. Keep them coming! It seems that there is also some interest in I/O versions. Do you have any plans or provisions for I/O, if someone wanted one?

[rschap1]

OK...
I have vitually none or even less knowledge on how to lay up a boat, but after seeing this and a few other threads showing stuff, I gotta couple questions...???

First, I know that it really really minor, but if the purpose of bagging and drawing the resin through is nice, even, consistent, saturation; wouldn't there be a better method than using the plastic shething? Wrinkles, folds and anything like that will leave a thicker spot, right?
Would final product thickness just pretty much be dependant on the fabric and mat now?
If perfection was the end goal...or if you wanted to be even more critical anyways...wouldn't an interior and exterior "mold" be best to help keep shape as desired. End up with a process close to injection molding except the gel and mat are in there prior to adding the inside shell. Kinda like the super detailed schematic attached:)
I realize that bagging must be a huge advancement beyond traditional hand applications, but .... ???
THANKS:)

[rschap1]

Sorry to side track (if not hi jack) the cool thread about the Scout, it's process, and advancments!!!

[Ratickle]

This is such a cool thread. Thanks for the pictures. Keep them coming! It seems that there is also some interest in I/O versions. Do you have any plans or provisions for I/O, if someone wanted one?

That is true, an IO version would also be cool. But, this is something I never thought I'd see built new again.

A new Apache Scout, with today's outboard power, and today's new lamination materials and processes.......


I can only sit around and drool waiting for the results. Does a 350 Merc make anyone else wonder?????

[Area188]

This is such a cool thread. Thanks for the pictures. Keep them coming! It seems that there is also some interest in I/O versions. Do you have any plans or provisions for I/O, if someone wanted one?


The I/O scouts (1986-87) had the cockpit moved forward to make room for the V-8 but didn't have the long bow look of the 88 & 90 yrs O/B boats. The 21' Scout deck mold I am using was designed for an O/B and I really don't want to move away from the "Classic Saccenti" styling that gives the boat it's character and mystique. We do have plans on the drawing board for a center console fishing version of the Scout.

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/198622Scout.jpg

[jetcruzr]

OK...
I have vitually none or even less knowledge on how to lay up a boat, but after seeing this and a few other threads showing stuff, I gotta couple questions...???

First, I know that it really really minor, but if the purpose of bagging and drawing the resin through is nice, even, consistent, saturation; wouldn't there be a better method than using the plastic shething? Wrinkles, folds and anything like that will leave a thicker spot, right?
Would final product thickness just pretty much be dependant on the fabric and mat now?
If perfection was the end goal...or if you wanted to be even more critical anyways...wouldn't an interior and exterior "mold" be best to help keep shape as desired. End up with a process close to injection molding except the gel and mat are in there prior to adding the inside shell. Kinda like the super detailed schematic attached:)
I realize that bagging must be a huge advancement beyond traditional hand applications, but .... ???
THANKS:)

I am definately no expert in the field, but maybe I can help your understanding of the bagging process. It may help if you think of it this way. Once the bag installed and the pump is running, assuming there are no leaks, you will have 1 atmosphere of pressure (29.92 inches of mercury at sea level) which translates to approximately 15 psi of pressure from the atmosphere being evenly applied to the entire surface of the part that you are laminating. This atmospheric pressure being applied would take the place of the "interior" mold that you used in your example. The plasitc bag is essentially the interior mold. The beauty is that the bag will take the shape of whatever you are laminating. There are no voids at all, as even pressure is being placed eveywhere. Another factor is that there is a layer of quilting material between the part and the bag that absorbs all of the excess resin. Once the glue is dry, the quilt and excess resin are peeled off the part and discarded. I hope this helps. Again, I am no expert, just wanted to share a perspective.

[Offshore Ginger]

The I/O scouts (1986-87) had the cockpit moved forward to make room for the V-8 but didn't have the long bow look of the 88 & 90 yrs O/B boats. The 21' Scout deck mold I am using was designed for an O/B and I really don't want to move away from the "Classic Saccenti" styling that gives the boat it's character and mystique. We do have plans on the drawing board for a center console fishing version of the Scout.

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/198622Scout.jpg So , my next question is where are the molds for the I/O Scouts ?

[Buoy]

I'm guessing the hull mold would be the same. Just a different deck mold.
Am I correct?

[Offshore Ginger]

I'm guessing the hull mold would be the same. Just a different deck mold.
Am I correct? YES !

[rschap1]

I am definately no expert in the field, but maybe I can help your understanding of the bagging process. It may help if you think of it this way. Once the bag installed and the pump is running, assuming there are no leaks, you will have 1 atmosphere of pressure (29.92 inches of mercury at sea level) which translates to approximately 15 psi of pressure from the atmosphere being evenly applied to the entire surface of the part that you are laminating. This atmospheric pressure being applied would take the place of the "interior" mold that you used in your example. The plasitc bag is essentially the interior mold. The beauty is that the bag will take the shape of whatever you are laminating. There are no voids at all, as even pressure is being placed eveywhere. Another factor is that there is a layer of quilting material between the part and the bag that absorbs all of the excess resin. Once the glue is dry, the quilt and excess resin are peeled off the part and discarded. I hope this helps. Again, I am no expert, just wanted to share a perspective.

I had no idea of the quilting and how it absorbed the excess. That does make it seem alot more "precise"
THANKS ! !

[Area188]

Scout deck pulled from mold.

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Defender%2021%20Scout/DSCF39791.jpg

[Buoy]

Looks good!

[Ratickle]

Very, very good!!!!!

[Area188]

Defender Powerboats consulted with Bob Saccenti for his recommendations on stringer material type, construction and placement. Once the stringers height and longitudinal dimensions were calculated they were trimmed to fit then glassed inside the new 21' Scout hull. Just about ready to pull the hull out of the mold !

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Defender%2021%20Scout/DSCF39841_zpse6ab9951.jpg

[Bobcat]

Keep them pic's comin!:)

[Ratickle]

Any idea how the first one is to be powered? Or will that be decided during testing with several options?

[Area188]

Any idea how the first one is to be powered? Or will that be decided during testing with several options?

I'm going to let the Coast Guard give me the max engine rating before I decide for sure but I'm guessing a 200 or 225 hp.
The new Scout is going to be much lighter than the previous ones built so I believe a 200 or 225 will work fine.
Plus, this will be my "Demo" boat and safety is going to be my #1 concern especially when customers are driving it.

[Ratickle]

I'm still thinking a 350 would be realy sweet!

[old377guy]

I'm still thinking a 350 would be realy sweet!

Agreed

[Offshore Ginger]

X3

[philv30]

The hull is out! First time airborne.......

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Defender%2021%20Scout/DSCF40171_zpscd05b3f3.jpg

[Area188]

Time for some more bulkheads....

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Defender%2021%20Scout/Defender21Scout_zps961e11fe.jpg

[Ratickle]

Big Smiles I bet!!!!!!!

[Area188]

Big Smiles I bet!!!!!!!

You know it but still much to do.

[Area188]

As January comes to a close I just want to reach out and wish all my fellow boaters a happy, healthy and safe upcoming new year.
I'll be home from my latest military tour just in time for the February Miami International Boat Show but unfortunately will not be
able to show off the 21' Scout yet. The new Scout is still in the construction phase and I will still continue posting photo's of it's progress.
Mr. Bob "Chief" Saccenti and I will be enjoying the upcoming Show and we'll be happy to answer all your 21' Scout questions.
Hope to meet you there.

Phil Vargas/Defender Powerboats inc
defenderphil@msn.com
defenderpowerboats@live.com
Ph:305-910-1216

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Defender%2021%20Scout/DSCF40221_zps2831b8e2.jpg

[old377guy]

Best of luck to you and Bob

[Ratickle]

Are you going to have an area you're hanging out in???

[Area188]

Are you going to have an area you're hanging out in???

Not sure since there is so much to see. Give me a ring and i'll find you....

[old377guy]

Not sure since there is so much to see. Give me a ring and i'll find you....
Paul may have to find you first before he give's you his ring;)

[Ratickle]

I'm not going to make it there, but there will be at least four of our correspondents there. I'll shoot you a PM.

[Area188]

Roger that sir. Looking foward to meeting up with your associates.

[Bobcat]

I'll be there....you can't miss me....I'll have an empty Beer Couzie and a sad face;)

[jetcruzr]

I'll be there....you can't miss me....I'll have an empty Beer Couzie and a sad face;)

I will see about fixing that. I think I owe you a beer from Key West, we don't want any empty couzies or sad faces!

[Bobcat]

You bring hope in these otherwise desperate times..:biggrinjester:

[Area188]

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Defender%2021%20Scout/CAM01027_zps4b861f7b.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/Defender%2021%20Scout/CAM01027_zps4b861f7b.jpg.html)

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Defender%2021%20Scout/CAM01025_zps1922c1fc.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/Defender%2021%20Scout/CAM01025_zps1922c1fc.jpg.html)

[Area188]

Been away from the forum but I'm back and with some new pic's. The folks at TNT Marine loaded up the Scout with a brand new 200HP Optimax
More to follow...

[Area188]

Bobby Saccenti was there when TNT Custom Marine loaded up the 200HP Optimax onto the 21 Scout. We're getting for the sea trial!

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Defender%2021%20Scout/CAM01022_zps997919ac.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/Defender%2021%20Scout/CAM01022_zps997919ac.jpg.html)

[Ratickle]

Good to see you back Phil. I was disappointed when there wasn't one of the new Scout's in Miami this year.

When and where are you trialing?

[Area188]

Glad to be back posting again after the dry spell. Thanks for welcome. Sorry, didn't understand your question.

[Ratickle]

I was just wondering when you will have the boat out for testing, and if you knew where you were planning on dialing it in. It should be a sweet boat.

[Area188]

Good question, don't really know yet but I'm hoping it will be before winter.

[Ratickle]

I'm hoping it will be before Fall!!:sifone:

[Area188]

Can't wait for fall, it's been hot as hell in Miami,. I'll keep everyone posted.

[Area188]

I always liked a bow rail on the 21 Scout.

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Defender%2021%20Scout/97d3a9d1-c19a-488c-b513-df0c0754f0a3_zpse7c3eac4.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/Defender%2021%20Scout/97d3a9d1-c19a-488c-b513-df0c0754f0a3_zpse7c3eac4.jpg.html)

[Ratickle]

You're up late, looks really good.

It is not only important for the looks it generates, it's also important for not falling off the bow in bad weather!!!!

[Area188]

Thanks Ratickle, it's just work in progress and yes safety is always in mind at Defender Powerboats Inc.

[Ratickle]

This one is probably a handful!! Can't wait to see that kind of power on your new layup!!!:)

http://www.powerboatlistings.com/view/30112

Here is a beautiful 1995 21' Apache Scout.
One of the last real Apaches! Own a small piece of the legend!
2007 - 300HP Mercury Optimax with Sportmaster lower unit
Stainless 15 x 26 four blade Merc Racing Prop
SeaStar Hydraulic Steering
OMC Jack plate
Bennett Trim Tabs
1995 Freed Dual Axle Trailer with four new tires and rims
Cockpit Cover and Storage Cover
Boat is in extremely good condition, very few minor cosmetic flaws! No rips on the interior.
I LOVE THIS BOAT! But, moving to Florida so wife wants a big center console for fishing!
My loss - her gain! Come see for yourself!

[Area188]

Wow, It sure is a handful and whoever buys it should know how to drive her.
The new layup used is considerably lighter than the one used back in 1995.
That being said, you can see the same performance with a lesser HP engine.
The new 21 Scout max HP rating is 250. But history has shown us that we humans
want to go faster than someone else.

[Ratickle]

I was wondering what your max HP rating would be from the CG. And you just happen to be working side-by-side with one of those "faster than someone else" guys.....

[Area188]

LOL, I am taking the HP rating advice from the "Legend" himself. I have seen Scouts with 300's and 200's. I went with a 200Hp on my boat and have been told it should run in the low 70mph range. For a "Demo" boat that's fun ride....

[Ratickle]

That 200 is a good engine. There is quite a bit of hope the Stock Outboard guys will switch to that engine. Rumor has it there is already one race boat being built just to be ready for the smaller engine.

[Area188]

I hear that. With so much R&D done on the Opti. series engines it's no surprise the racers trust in their reliability. I will be posting what kinds of speeds we get with mine.

[Ratickle]

It will certainly be interesting to hear. Everyone is waiting......:)

[fund razor]

Question: Is anyone else making 21s from the Scout molds, or is Defender the sole home of the scout molds and all future brand iterations from the original Apache molds?

(If I missed this earlier, I apologize)

[Area188]

Hi Fund Razor. Can you please explain the confusion?

[fund razor]

I was unaware whether there have been other splashes (Probably an unfair term) or brand iterations (meaning old molds, new name). I was curious whether all future boats based on the Apache 21 Scout mold would be made by Defender, or whether there were others in the past, present, or future position to make 21s in the design of the scout.

I'm just bringing myself up to speed. As an Apache owner, I've tried to follow all the various iterations, like Cherokee 28, the White Lightning 41, Saber 41 the Pantera 41 etc. I just don't know much about who has made 21s and if anyone else ever will.

Once again, if this has been covered, I apologize for my ignorance.

[Area188]

I was unaware whether there have been other splashes (Probably an unfair term) or brand iterations (meaning old molds, new name). I was curious whether all future boats based on the Apache 21 Scout mold would be made by Defender, or whether there were others in the past, present, or future position to make 21s in the design of the scout.

I'm just bringing myself up to speed. As an Apache owner, I've tried to follow all the various iterations, like Cherokee 28, the White Lightning 41, Saber 41 the Pantera 41 etc. I just don't know much about who has made 21s and if anyone else ever will.

Once again, if this has been covered, I apologize for my ignorance.

No need to apologize, I'll be glad to explain in a nutshell: The story I got from the originator himself Bob Saccenti was that the molds were sent to Century Boats from Apache on a trading deal. The Scout boats were then built by Century but still called Apache's 21 Scouts while Bob still retained the Apache name. The molds ended being auctioned off and ended up in Georgia where I found them on the internet, called the owner, made the sales deal, bought them and brought them back to Miami. I contacted Bobby S. set up a meet with him and showed him the molds, he was happy to see his little Apache 21' Scout back in Miami. I have consulted with him in building my first boat. I did a lease deal with Chief Powerboats and the boat is at Lake of the Ozarks. My company name came from what I did for over 25 years of my life, defender our country from enemies foreign and domestic. I am a 25 year US Air Force Veteran with also over 5 years as a contractor working on the MQ-1 Predator drone in not so nice countries.
The boat I am building is my "demo" boat and should be finished in a few months. As far as any other people building Scouts, I don't know of anyone building any from an original "Apache" mold made by Bobby S. There might be a "splash" out there, anything is possible but I know my molds are the real deal and have been authenticated by the "Chief" himself.

I will continue the tradition started by the founder, Bob Saccenti and build "rough water ready" powerboats.

BTW, your 28 Apache looks fantastic!

Phil Vargas/President
Defender Powerboats Inc.
305.910.1216

[fund razor]

No need to apologize, I'll be glad to explain in a nutshell: The story I got from the originator himself Bob Saccenti was that the molds were sent to Century Boats from Apache on a trading deal. The Scout boats were then built by Century but still called Apache's 21 Scouts while Bob still retained the Apache name. The molds ended being auctioned off and ended up in Georgia where I found them on the internet, called the owner, made the sales deal, bought them and brought them back to Miami. I contacted Bobby S. set up a meet with him and showed him the molds, he was happy to see his little Apache 21' Scout back in Miami. I have consulted with him in building my first boat. I did a lease deal with Chief Powerboats and the boat is at Lake of the Ozarks. My company name came from what I did for over 25 years of my life, defender our country from enemies foreign and domestic. I am a 25 year US Air Force Veteran with also over 5 years as a contractor working on the MQ-1 Predator drone in not so nice countries.
The boat I am building is my "demo" boat and should be finished in a few months. As far as any other people building Scouts, I don't know of anyone building any from an original "Apache" mold made by Bobby S. There might be a "splash" out there, anything is possible but I know my molds are the real deal and have been authenticated by the "Chief" himself.

I will continue the tradition started by the founder, Bob Saccenti and build "rough water ready" powerboats.

BTW, your 28 Apache looks fantastic!

Phil Vargas/President
Defender Powerboats Inc.
305.910.1216
Thanks Phil. And especially thanks for your service. I did catch the origin of the Defender name, and I hope I thanked you then as well.
I'm the son of a Korean War vet, wounded in action. You'll never meet a guy who is more grateful for what our service men and women do for our country.

Checking my understanding: You own the molds, nobody else is making 21s from this design that we are aware of, and the demo boat is at Loto?
Is Chief like a distributor? (I may have missed a turn between molds in Miami and the boat being at LOTO.)

Again, if I am out of bounds with my curiosity, forgive me. I have no agenda. Just learning.
My aim is nothing more than our conversation and my interest. This isn't one of those internet forum "gotcha" deals.

[Area188]

I too am the son of a Korean Veteran and thank you for your gratitude. The boat in LOTO is a Chief 21 Scout and belongs to Chief Powerboats. I did a lease deal with Chief Powerboats and their boat is at Lake of the Ozarks. The one I am building in Miami is my demo boat. Both boats came from the same mold. There were different deck versions built by Apache and mine is the last design created by Bobby S. I posted some vintage Scout ads you might have seen before, the mold I own built the boat in the colorful ad. Hope that helps.

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Historical%20Scouts/80scout4_zps3be3b223.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/Historical%20Scouts/80scout4_zps3be3b223.jpg.html)

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Historical%20Scouts/88scout_zpsc228b348.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/Historical%20Scouts/88scout_zpsc228b348.jpg.html)

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Historical%20Scouts/21_Scout11_zpsaff7da4a.png (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/Historical%20Scouts/21_Scout11_zpsaff7da4a.png.html)

[Area188]

Thanks Phil. And especially thanks for your service. I did catch the origin of the Defender name, and I hope I thanked you then as well.
I'm the son of a Korean War vet, wounded in action. You'll never meet a guy who is more grateful for what our service men and women do for our country.

Checking my understanding: You own the molds, nobody else is making 21s from this design that we are aware of, and the demo boat is at Loto?
Is Chief like a distributor? (I may have missed a turn between molds in Miami and the boat being at LOTO.)

Again, if I am out of bounds with my curiosity, forgive me. I have no agenda. Just learning.
My aim is nothing more than our conversation and my interest. This isn't one of those internet forum "gotcha" deals.

As far as your question about Chief being a distributor, no they're not. They asked if they could add a Scout to their product line to see how it would sell at LOTO.

[Ratickle]

Is the one at LOTO powered identical to yours?

[Area188]

Is the one at LOTO powered identical to yours?

To the best of my knowledge the Chief 21 Scout has not been powered or rigged yet.

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Warpath/10441005_10154314877515604_4543924243694353432_n_zps8ced4015.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/Warpath/10441005_10154314877515604_4543924243694353432_n_zps8ced4015.jpg.html)

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Warpath/10365955_10154314877395604_2062804617122442070_n_zps5b345afb.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/Warpath/10365955_10154314877395604_2062804617122442070_n_zps5b345afb.jpg.html)

[Ratickle]

Too bad, we need one out there showing what they can do.

Any idea how many original Apache 21's were made, not the Century's?

[Area188]

Too bad, we need one out there showing what they can do.

Any idea how many original Apache 21's were made, not the Century's?

Great question! I'll have to ask Bobby S. Maybe he kept a tally.

[Area188]

Had a great time at the Solomon's Offshore Grand Prix & OPA World Championships,​ Maryland. Great group of "Pioneer" Class 7 Racers.

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/OPA%20Racing/10641292_373427369481894_1331131400820479035_n_zps2772ec59.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/OPA%20Racing/10641292_373427369481894_1331131400820479035_n_zps2772ec59.jpg.html)

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/OPA%20Racing/10712920_373426186148679_7826792380539695419_n_zps3b7e5857.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/OPA%20Racing/10712920_373426186148679_7826792380539695419_n_zps3b7e5857.jpg.html)

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/OPA%20Racing/IMG_0646_zps78bd0c45.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/OPA%20Racing/IMG_0646_zps78bd0c45.jpg.html)

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/OPA%20Racing/10712865_373426219482009_3584614530330405158_n_zps80dc24dd.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/OPA%20Racing/10712865_373426219482009_3584614530330405158_n_zps80dc24dd.jpg.html)

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/OPA%20Racing/IMG_0710_zps94cef07f.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/OPA%20Racing/IMG_0710_zps94cef07f.jpg.html)

[Ratickle]

Had a great time at the Solomon's Offshore Grand Prix & OPA World Championships,​ Maryland. Great group of "Pioneer" Class 7 Racers.

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/OPA%20Racing/IMG_0710_zps94cef07f.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/OPA%20Racing/IMG_0710_zps94cef07f.jpg.html)

Good you could make it. Nice shot..

[Area188]

At the final stages of the 21 Scout build.

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Defender%2021%20Scout/CAM00432_zpsae34b162.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/Defender%2021%20Scout/CAM00432_zpsae34b162.jpg.html)

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Defender%2021%20Scout/CAM00436_zpsb9b5bd56.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/Defender%2021%20Scout/CAM00436_zpsb9b5bd56.jpg.html)

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Defender%2021%20Scout/0ee9dc6e-875d-4dce-a9e2-460862a67d33_zpsb72bba7e.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/Defender%2021%20Scout/0ee9dc6e-875d-4dce-a9e2-460862a67d33_zpsb72bba7e.jpg.html)

[Area188]

Garmin functioning, Vessel View interfacing with the Optimax and tunes cranking troughout the Alpine. Next step, TNT engine start up & operational check...... It's going to be a fantastic summer...!!!

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/CAM00958_zpsgoil0uzk.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/CAM00958_zpsgoil0uzk.jpg.html)

[jetcruzr]

Phil,

When do you plan on doing the start up at TNT? I might just have to stop by and be a spectator for that!

Tommy

[Area188]

Phil,

When do you plan on doing the start up at TNT? I might just have to stop by and be a spectator for that!

Tommy

Hey Tommy, thanks for the post. I haven't set up the appointment yet but it's been a long wait.

[Ratickle]

Soon?

[Area188]

Finally made it to TNT. Engine and electronics functioned properly during startup. Can't wait for sea trials. Upholstery & Propeller next on the list.

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/CAM01417_zps7bk0uxho.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/CAM01417_zps7bk0uxho.jpg.html)

[Ratickle]

Looking good.

Who's doing the shakedown? You, JT, or Bobby?

[Area188]

It's going to be Bobby & Me. Pictures and maybe a video to follow.

[Ratickle]

Sweet!!

[Area188]

Finally made it to TNT. Engine and electronics functioned properly during startup. Can't wait for sea trials. Upholstery & Propeller next on the list.

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Defender%2021%20Scout/CAM01417_zps9hofpuuo.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/Defender%2021%20Scout/CAM01417_zps9hofpuuo.jpg.html)

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Defender%2021%20Scout/CAM01416_zps42qv72zn.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/Defender%2021%20Scout/CAM01416_zps42qv72zn.jpg.html)

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Defender%2021%20Scout/CAM01413_zpsyetuij2f.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/Defender%2021%20Scout/CAM01413_zpsyetuij2f.jpg.html)


http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Defender%2021%20Scout/CAM01412_zpsaef3xwyj.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/Defender%2021%20Scout/CAM01412_zpsaef3xwyj.jpg.html)

[Area188]

Interior work in progress.

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Defender%2021%20Scout/CAM01921_zpshnqcqteq.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/Defender%2021%20Scout/CAM01921_zpshnqcqteq.jpg.html)

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Defender%2021%20Scout/CAM01920_zpskjcrbdgh.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/Defender%2021%20Scout/CAM01920_zpskjcrbdgh.jpg.html)

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Defender%2021%20Scout/CAM01936_zpsrxsq9tie.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/Defender%2021%20Scout/CAM01936_zpsrxsq9tie.jpg.html)

[Ratickle]

Any performance tests yet?

[Area188]

Any performance tests yet?

Not yet but I will be at Mr. Marine's marina in Fond du Lac Wisconsin on October 1 & 2 to show the boat at their "Open House"
I'll also be giving demo rides on Lake Winnebago. Well see what she does at the original "Lake X"
Hope to see you there!

[Ratickle]

I'll see if there is any way I can work it out to meet you over there.

[Area188]

I'll see if there is any way I can work it out to meet you over there.

Sounds great Ratickle, I really look forward to meeting you there!

[Ratickle]

Good chatting with you yesterday. I'll do my best to make it over.

[Area188]

Good chatting with you yesterday. I'll do my best to make it over.

Good talking to you too Sir. Looking forward to meeting you. I've never been to the Wisconsin part of our country
in the fall, I have my leather jacket ready...

[philv30]

Love how the upholstery is progressing!

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Defender%2021%20Scout/IMG_0261_zpszhh8aumi.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/Defender%2021%20Scout/IMG_0261_zpszhh8aumi.jpg.html)

[Area188]

While at Mr Marine my good friend Jack showed up with his Apache 21 Scout. Had to take some photo's!

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20151004_030843_zpsjpmk5xqd.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20151004_030843_zpsjpmk5xqd.jpg.html)

[jetcruzr]

So cool! Congrats Phil! How does it run?

[Area188]

So cool! Congrats Phil! How does it run?

Thank you Jetcruzer. Ran & handled great. Came out of the hole quick and the light layup kept us dry throughout the shakedown.
Dialing her in has been a challenge since the weather is changing daily. The true test will be when Bobby gets
behind the wheel down here.

[Area188]

Jack J Bonz and myself made history while I was in Wisconsin last weekend. Same boat, different companies were
parked together for a special photo shoot. Jack has been an inspiration to me and we both love each others boats.
Thank you Jack it was worth the long trip.

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Defender%20Powerboats/IMG_0076_zpsrl3kl4wy.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/Defender%20Powerboats/IMG_0076_zpsrl3kl4wy.jpg.html)

[Area188]

OPA Nationals/World Championship weekend!

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/OPA%20Racing/200fa4e4-e204-49e1-bae9-fa5da5af8e08_zpstruolhbr.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/OPA%20Racing/200fa4e4-e204-49e1-bae9-fa5da5af8e08_zpstruolhbr.jpg.html)

[Area188]

It was a great feeling to continue the racing tradition with the smallest of the great Bob Saccenti style performance boats. The 21 Scout ran very well for it's first outing since and was admired by fellow racers and fellow boat builders.

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/OPA%20Racing/12249974_1126414554037074_3227862462753238916_n_zpsamhqnesu.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/OPA%20Racing/12249974_1126414554037074_3227862462753238916_n_zpsamhqnesu.jpg.html)

[Ratickle]

And with a third on Friday, and fifth on Sunday, fourth overall for the weekend, congratulations!!!

[Area188]

And with a third on Friday, and fifth on Sunday, fourth overall for the weekend, congratulations!!!

Thanks Ratickle, Ken Bird was 4th in the points going into the Championship weekend and with some help from the (Joint * Mission) Defender 21 Scout
boat we managed to pull out a 3rd place finish for the season in the National Championship race on Friday. Although my boat is set up as a pleasure boat it was able to perform good enough to keep up with the competition. I can only imagine how it would do if it was set up for a race only boat!

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/OPA%20Racing/ac921611-2129-467f-91b9-fc0860d73f75_zpsk1naov9d.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/OPA%20Racing/ac921611-2129-467f-91b9-fc0860d73f75_zpsk1naov9d.jpg.html)

[Area188]

For all those who have been wondering what I've been up to... Well I'm pounding sand again overseas, this time in the "Horn of Africa. I am no longer going by "Defender Powerboats Inc." Defender Industries, Inc. boat supplies, discount marine supplies and inflatable boats" filled a trademark using the name "Defender Boats" which forced me to stop using "Defender Powerboats" since I did not have a trademark. I honestly didn't know this company sold boats, I used the word Defender because I raised my right hand multiple times for 25 years and swore to

"support and "DEFEND" the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.” Thus came the company name "DEFENDER POWERBOATS"

I have to name the company something different now but it's ok, I'll rebound from this like everything else I've been through before. Thanks to all the people who have supported me here on Serious Offshore. Keep posted for something new
I am working on for our race and fishing enthusiasts.

[Ratickle]

That's too bad.

We could have a contest to help pick a new name!!

[jetcruzr]

Is there a "Patriot Powerboats"? If not, this may work.

[Bobcat]

American Defender.

[Area188]

I can't use the word defender in any way when it comes to the my boats. It would be like me trying to use the word "Apache" in any way, can't happen.

They have the trademark on their blow up boats:

http://www.defender.com/categoryBoatsMotors.jsp?path=-1|215570|1794282&id=1794291

[Bobcat]

How about " American Classic" Powerboats?

[Ratickle]

Patriot or American Patriot both sound pretty good.

[Area188]

A rare blast from the past from Miami's legendary 188th Street. The only 22' center console Scout created by World Racing Champion, Bobby Saccenti.
According to Bobby, the officer driving this one of a kind Interceptor was responsible for many hair raising river, bay and offshore police chases.

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Maximo%20Powerboats/NMPD%2021%20Scout%20001_zpsyfikana6.png (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/Maximo%20Powerboats/NMPD%2021%20Scout%20001_zpsyfikana6.png.html)

[Ratickle]

That looks like it would have been fun to try to outrun. (Assuming you had a boat load of questionable contraband). :sifone:

[Area188]

LOL, I think that police officer would have lots of cool Miami Vice like stories. Wish he would have written a book.

[Area188]

For all those who have been wondering what I've been up to... Well I've been pounding sand again overseas, this time in the "Horn of Africa. I no longer go by "Defender Powerboats Inc." I am now officially "MAXIMO POWERBOATS" It took a while trying to find a name that was not officially taken or in use but after months of waiting for the US Dept of Trademarks I have the green light to build the legendary 21 Scout, stronger and lighter than it was built on Miami's "Thunderboat Row". After consulting with Powerboat Race Champion Bob Saccenti, I have decided to start a new project under the Maximo name, a project that Bob himself started long ago. A modified hull section has been layed up and I will soon begin construction of a prototype center console deck. Yes, I will be building a center console "fishing" version not a "police" boat.....to enjoy myself during the never ending South Florida fishing season...

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Maximo%20Powerboats/thumbnail_IMG_1184_zpszlqb0yun.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/Maximo%20Powerboats/thumbnail_IMG_1184_zpszlqb0yun.jpg.html)

[Ratickle]

Cool!!

[Area188]

Out with the old & In with the new! This is the new trademarked company name replacing "Defender Powerboats Inc". Although names change we all know this 21' as the former Apache 21 Scout. There are people out there who claim they have a 21 or a 22 Scout mold but as of yet I nor Bob Saccenti have verified any other except the one I own. I will be posting photo's and updates of my projects and welcome questions from all powerboat boat enthusiasts.

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Maximo%20Powerboats/Maximo_HI-RES_zpsshyrc6tr.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/Maximo%20Powerboats/Maximo_HI-RES_zpsshyrc6tr.jpg.html)

[Ratickle]

For all those who have been wondering what I've been up to... Well I've been pounding sand again overseas, this time in the "Horn of Africa. I no longer go by "Defender Powerboats Inc." I am now officially "MAXIMO POWERBOATS" It took a while trying to find a name that was not officially taken or in use but after months of waiting for the US Dept of Trademarks I have the green light to build the legendary 21 Scout, stronger and lighter than it was built on Miami's "Thunderboat Row". After consulting with Powerboat Race Champion Bob Saccenti, I have decided to start a new project under the Maximo name, a project that Bob himself started long ago. A modified hull section has been layed up and I will soon begin construction of a prototype center console deck. Yes, I will be building a center console "fishing" version not a "police" boat.....to enjoy myself during the never ending South Florida fishing season...

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Maximo%20Powerboats/thumbnail_IMG_1184_zpszlqb0yun.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/Maximo%20Powerboats/thumbnail_IMG_1184_zpszlqb0yun.jpg.html)

Do what's your estimated completion date?

[Area188]

Do what's your estimated completion date?

I don't have a definite ETC but I'm shooting for sometime before Christmas.
Things don't move very fast when your a one man band....

[Area188]

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu134/philv30/Maximo%20Powerboats/Maximo21_zpsn2bejufr.jpg (http://s641.photobucket.com/user/philv30/media/Maximo%20Powerboats/Maximo21_zpsn2bejufr.jpg.html)

[Ratickle]

Looks good.