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torrent
09-13-2012, 05:08 PM
I thought I would start a thread on the build, take apart, and rebuild of my 43 GT. Since I have owned it for 2 years and this is the 3rd time the engines are out.

To give a bit of back story I bought the boat as a repo with no power, no drives, no gauges and a bunch of other things were missing, broke or gone. The below pics show the condition I bought it in. I will post pics going back to the beginning when I first brought it home.

My new goal for the boat is for it to turn heads and run 100 everyday of the week.



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torrent
09-13-2012, 05:15 PM
Sitting home in my drive way and the stupid ugly hatches which had to go. At the time I only opted to have the hatch redone.

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The new hatch with the modern logo
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More pics to come

racer511
09-14-2012, 09:06 AM
keep sending pics, very cool to see how far it has come, you did a great job

torrent
09-14-2012, 12:15 PM
So... I think I will fast forward a bit. Over the past winter I decided to upgrade the engines from the 454's to 598's. They made over 800 hp and 852 ft lbs of torque and still building. I was able to get it done to run in the Boyne Thunder Poker Run but just barely. I maybe had two hours on it prior. There were a few issues at the beginning of the run, like a powersteering belt comimg off and eating part of the blower belt. Jim Valako happened to be with me at the time and said lets get a belt and see if we can get it back together. So thats what we did. The boat ran pretty well for the majority of the run (77 @ 5000rpms) until the last leg I noticed I lost about 200 rpm's on the starboard motor. It ended up being a valve broke causing havoc throughout the engine. Out the engines come and off to the machine shop. Which leads me to where I am at now. The below pic is engines in process of removal.

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torrent
09-14-2012, 12:20 PM
Here is a side view of the boat in my buddy Ryan's barn. He has been so kind to allow me to keep it there for the summer. See, he can be a nice guy. Don't let his first impressions fool you. LOL

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torrent
09-14-2012, 12:32 PM
One thing with this boat I could never get rid of the musty smell in the cockpit area. I figures the smell was coming from the seats and intended on doing the rest of the interior anyhow. No time like the present. Out the interior comes and off to McLeod Designs in Madison Heghts, MI. They did the redesign on the hatch and did a great job. By the way this cockpit interior does not come out easy at all. What I found when I got it out was much of the backer boards were crumbling. I think I found the culprit.

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torrent
09-14-2012, 12:41 PM
Here is pic that a took within the last few days that shows quite a bit of prgress to the current disassembly. I am seriously thinking about making this boat a staggered configuration. I am working on a 3D model to make sure I don't run into any hidden surprises. I would like to hear some of your thoughts. Please keep them constructive.

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torrent
09-14-2012, 01:06 PM
keep sending pics, very cool to see how far it has come, you did a great job

Thank you, The project has turned into a full restoration damn near. The only thing I don't think I will get into is the exterior paint or will I?

Offshore Ginger
09-14-2012, 07:47 PM
Thank you, The project has turned into a full restoration damn near. The only thing I don't think I will get into is the exterior paint or will I? I guess only time will tell and if you decide to change the scoops on the hatches let me know .

Ratickle
09-14-2012, 08:27 PM
Changing to staggered would be a ton of work. Do you think that would make enough difference to be worth it?

Ratickle
09-14-2012, 08:30 PM
Here is a side view of the boat in my buddy Ryan's barn. He has been so kind to allow me to keep it there for the summer. See, he can be a nice guy. Don't let his first impressions fool you. LOL

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torrent
09-14-2012, 11:19 PM
Changing to staggered would be a ton of work. Do you think that would make enough difference to be worth it?

That is the million dollar question. It will be a TON of work but the way I look at it is, there are not many 100 mph boats running out there using the side by side configuration.

torrent
09-14-2012, 11:22 PM
I guess only time will tell and if you decide to change the scoops on the hatches let me know .

I ended up eliminating the scoops when I had the new sun pad done. The new sun pad covers have cut outs for the blowers to fit.

torrent
09-14-2012, 11:33 PM
Here is a pic of the gauge panel I built with assistance of my father in laws Fadel to cut the holes.

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torrent
09-14-2012, 11:35 PM
The tv was missing when I got the boat so I had to install a flat screen and a wii. You can also see the switch/breaker panel. I installed this to get rid of all the breakers on the gauge panel. It helps clean it up alot as you can see in the above photo.

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torrent
09-14-2012, 11:39 PM
I seen how BT put a super sweet liquor bottle holder in Ryan's boat so I had to have one. But you cant get this at your local Wal-Mart so I had to build it. I have to do the finishing touches yet but it is functional.

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Ratickle
09-15-2012, 07:47 AM
Is your flat screen AC-DC?

Ratickle
09-15-2012, 07:52 AM
The hatches as they are currently Artie.

http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww310/ptrose/Boyne%20Thunder%202012/BTIMG_34561.jpg


In the middle...

http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww310/ptrose/Boyne%20Thunder%202012/BTIMG_30531.jpg

torrent
09-15-2012, 09:29 AM
Is your flat screen AC-DC?

No, there is an on board inverter.

torrent
09-15-2012, 09:36 AM
The hatches as they are currently Artie.

http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww310/ptrose/Boyne%20Thunder%202012/BTIMG_34561.jpg


In the middle...

http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww310/ptrose/Boyne%20Thunder%202012/BTIMG_30531.jpg

Thanks for posting the pics. As I stated the cockpit interior is getting redone right now and I have to choose a color scheem. You can see from the hatch I eliminated red, so that leaves me with white, silver carbon fiber, purple and yellow. I am thinking about putting the silver carbon fiber where the purple is and purple where the red is, but then I think there will be a lot of purple on the side pad. Whats your thoughts?

Ratickle
09-16-2012, 08:34 AM
Typically, the most prominent color would stay the same. Doesn't have to though.

Your most prominent color on the pad is the silver carbon, but on the outside of the boat it's purple. I'd make it one of those two, either would work. I think you should redo the side of the boat's red stripe in silver carbon though.... :sifone:

Look at Ryan's. It has a lot of red and looks great.

What's your favorite color of the two?

Ratickle
09-17-2012, 07:55 AM
As for staggered. Here's my answer from Steve David......

Staggered gives a better center of gravity and more advantageous thrust line. Also reduces chine walk.

How fast are you thinking of going someday?

torrent
09-17-2012, 09:21 AM
As for staggered. Here's my answer from Steve David......

Staggered gives a better center of gravity and more advantageous thrust line. Also reduces chine walk.

How fast are you thinking of going someday?

I want to be able to run 100 any day of the week. The new engine build will most likely get me right around 1100HP, but only time will tell. I knew running a staggered config allows for a lower CG and better thrustcapabilities never heard of reduce in chine walk. What is the theory on that?

offshoreexcursion
09-17-2012, 10:16 PM
With enough patience, energy, money and dreams this build will turn out amazing! You are starting with as good of base as any, and even better that its unique. A boat that runs 100mph any day, with a best of 110mph+/-, and crushes the waves that our great lakes produce! Anyone would be proud to own your 43GT.

Coolerman
09-19-2012, 02:06 PM
Jason, what kind of a sick person would push you in the staggered direction and go so far as to help you do this project?...... ;-) Looking forward to seeing your engine compartment drawing!

endeavor1
09-19-2012, 07:33 PM
Jason, what kind of a sick person would push you in the staggered direction and go so far as to help you do this project?...... ;-) Looking forward to seeing your engine compartment drawing!

The same kind of person who habitually thros good money after bad with boat upgrades, owens corning fiberglass for the boat, canadians and people who live near dentists....

endeavor1
09-19-2012, 07:34 PM
Nice project though. If you stick with bravo based drives, are you going ot run Bmax's or ????

torrent
09-19-2012, 08:26 PM
Jason, what kind of a sick person would push you in the staggered direction and go so far as to help you do this project?...... ;-) Looking forward to seeing your engine compartment drawing!

I think that person has the same name as I.

My wife tells me I am addicted to boat parts and I should go to some kind of meeting. I am thinking I may just take up drug abuse it will probably be cheaper.

torrent
09-19-2012, 08:28 PM
Nice project though. If you stick with bravo based drives, are you going ot run Bmax's or ????

It will be a bravo based drive most likely an X-power or an IMCO -4, but all in due time.

Coolerman
09-19-2012, 11:58 PM
I think that person has the same name as I.

My wife tells me I am addicted to boat parts and I should go to some kind of meeting. I am thinking I may just take up drug abuse it will probably be cheaper.

Well, these ARE Cigar boats, so you should probably run drugs at the very least.

Ratickle
09-20-2012, 11:05 PM
Just tell her we will have the meeting sometime this winter........



Maybe at Bill's place over there? Or the Ruby General Store????

torrent
09-22-2012, 08:02 AM
Making some progress on the interior. I went over to McLeod Designs yesterday to choose the colors. We are going with silver carbon fiber, white, purple and yellow. Whats the thoughts on having a logo embroidered on the rear of the head rests?

Logo
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Interior all tore apart
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This was the double bolster. As you can see its rotted. McLeod will be rebuilding almost everything.
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torrent
09-22-2012, 08:11 AM
I am still on the fence with the whole staggered thing, but I have some questions. While looking at pics of Spiker's setup compared to Coolerman's setup I noticed something. Spiker has the port engine forward and Coolerman has the starboard engine forward. Does this have any effect or was this just the way it came to be?

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Ratickle
09-22-2012, 08:26 AM
What kind of logo?


http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww310/ptrose/Misc%20and%20Personal%20Boats/BlownAssets3_zps9556cc56.jpg

torrent
09-22-2012, 09:23 AM
What kind of logo?


http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww310/ptrose/Misc%20and%20Personal%20Boats/BlownAssets3_zps9556cc56.jpg

The one on the jacket but with my colors. That jacket was made to match with Ryan's colors, I have the sme jacket done but with my colors. I had the logos digitized and made a few coats.

Coolerman
09-22-2012, 05:39 PM
Making some progress on the interior. I went over to McLeod Designs yesterday to choose the colors. We are going with silver carbon fiber, white, purple and yellow. Whats the thoughts on having a logo embroidered on the rear of the head rests?

Logo
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Interior all tore apart
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This was the double bolster. As you can see its rotted. McLeod will be rebuilding almost everything.
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That last pic, you said it was your stringers?????? ;-) jk

Coolerman
09-22-2012, 05:42 PM
Also, the port motor traditionally goes in front like on spikers rig. Dan MacNamara of Archer Marine in Costa Mesa, CA, whom did the original rigging on our boat likes to do them backwards. I don't think there really is an advantage to doing it one way or the other.

torrent
09-23-2012, 09:11 AM
Also, the port motor traditionally goes in front like on spikers rig. Dan MacNamara of Archer Marine in Costa Mesa, CA, whom did the original rigging on our boat likes to do them backwards. I don't think there really is an advantage to doing it one way or the other.

I didn't think there was really an impact on performance. I figured it was more like a preference. From reading the Spiker thread is seems as if he did all the rigging on his boat, is that correct? It also looks like you both use a similiar style offshore engine mount, where did you get them? Were they custom made? They do not seem to look like any of the others available.

It appears I will only have a maximum of 76 inches in the engine compartment for a staggered config. A 600 bravo staggered config uses 77.39 inches. The reason for the limit is the engine hatches and the interior. To gain any more space it will require to start from square one and redesign the engine hatches and back seat.

Ratickle
09-23-2012, 10:03 AM
I have to believe you can make up that 1 1/2 inch shortage some other way than a complete redesign. Or do you believe you will actually need more room than a 600 sci setup?

Ratickle
09-23-2012, 10:07 AM
I seen how BT put a super sweet liquor bottle holder in Ryan's boat so I had to have one. But you cant get this at your local Wal-Mart so I had to build it. I have to do the finishing touches yet but it is functional.

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I keep meaning to tell you, you need to design an additional bottle holder devixe to incorporate there because at 100+, in 4 to 5's, they will not stay where you place them without additional support......

torrent
09-23-2012, 07:26 PM
I keep meaning to tell you, you need to design an additional bottle holder devixe to incorporate there because at 100+, in 4 to 5's, they will not stay where you place them without additional support......

I better go with plastic bottles then!!! Lol.

Ratickle
09-24-2012, 07:36 AM
Velcro tie downs is what I'm thinking. Like a little bottle 5 point harness (with a quick release of course)........

torrent
09-25-2012, 09:49 AM
Interior is coming along nicely. The head rest are not installed yet. We are going to embroider the BT logo in the back of them, I think. See how it looks and go from there. This is one of the reasons I like working with Justin at McLeod because if it don't look good it won't be done.

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endeavor1
09-25-2012, 11:56 AM
Cool... glad to see the boat taking a new shape!!

Coolerman
09-25-2012, 12:10 PM
I'm liking the look of those bolsters. You gonna update to the new style headrest?

torrent
09-25-2012, 12:46 PM
I'm liking the look of those bolsters. You gonna update to the new style headrest?

No, I do not care for the look of the new ones compared to the ones I have.

Ratickle
09-26-2012, 07:50 AM
They are looking reallly good. Can't wait to see with the headrests on.

spiker
09-26-2012, 03:39 PM
I had the engine compartment lengthend for the extra room for the staggered set up. I have made 90% of all the mountings and brackets for the build with the help of a few good friends.

offshoreexcursion
09-26-2012, 10:26 PM
looking good!

torrent
09-27-2012, 08:59 AM
I had the engine compartment lengthend for the extra room for the staggered set up. I have made 90% of all the mountings and brackets for the build with the help of a few good friends.

How much was the engine compartment lenghtened? Was it done just to the rear/transom area? Are you still using the existing engine hatch or was that maodifies as well? The reason I ask is I would like to stagger and the back of the boat will need to be lengthed as well. As I stated earlier in this thread I acan get about about 76 inches. Which should be enough since I will be using a bravo style drive. Did you do the rigging yourself with help of friends? If I was to go this route I plan to do 90% of the work myself with the help of friends as well.

torrent
09-27-2012, 09:01 AM
Thank you for the kind words. You guys help me stay motivated. Especially after the list of parts I just compiled.

spiker
09-27-2012, 03:25 PM
Moved the bulhead forward 79 inches new hatch I have done the rigging, wiring

Ratickle
09-28-2012, 10:48 AM
We need an update on yours Spiker too.....

Ratickle
09-28-2012, 10:50 AM
Thank you for the kind words. You guys help me stay motivated. Especially after the list of parts I just compiled.

Don't let your wife see that list!!!!!!:eek:

Coolerman
09-29-2012, 04:55 PM
Thank you for the kind words. You guys help me stay motivated. Especially after the list of parts I just compiled.

Don't worry, the list only gets longer and longer........... and longer.

torrent
10-08-2012, 12:39 PM
Interior turned out really really good.

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endeavor1
10-08-2012, 07:35 PM
Interior turned out really really good.

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phucking nice!!!!!!!!

Coolerman
10-08-2012, 09:47 PM
looks awesome!

endeavor1
10-08-2012, 09:56 PM
looks awesome!

Whatever rigger!! :biggrinjester:

torrent
10-09-2012, 07:51 AM
Thanks guys

Coolerman
10-09-2012, 09:46 PM
Also, want to congratulate Torrent (Jason B) on his new Baby Boy!

Endeavor, you're up to bat!

ryan9154
10-10-2012, 01:35 AM
Now we got a little one we can teach all the bad habits! He's got two of us to learn from Jenny better be worried congrats!

Ratickle
10-10-2012, 08:17 AM
Yep, big time congrats.

I've got a nice little 10' Bonanza with a 50HP Merc, with tabs and a jackplate, we could have him learning to drive by next summer?

racer511
10-10-2012, 08:41 AM
Interior turned out really really good.

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I like the carbon fiber look

congrats on new baby

torrent
10-10-2012, 10:37 AM
Thanks guys. Its been an interesting week and a half to say the least.

torrent
10-10-2012, 10:38 AM
Yep, big time congrats.

I've got a nice little 10' Bonanza with a 50HP Merc, with tabs and a jackplate, we could have him learning to drive by next summer?

Not sure mom will go for that but dad is ok with it. LOL!

torrent
10-10-2012, 10:43 AM
Now we got a little one we can teach all the bad habits! He's got two of us to learn from Jenny better be worried congrats!

She is scared for sure. Already looking on craigslist for a sweet 16.

rschap1
10-10-2012, 02:17 PM
Congrats on the baby ! ! !

:)

endeavor1
10-10-2012, 10:34 PM
Congrats to Jason B on the new arrival. Next, congrats to Jason P for the kick in the balls he will be recieving soon when he arrives KCK.:kiss:

About a week till my little one arrives.... :willy_nilly::willy_nilly::willy_nilly:
On another positve note, I recieved my new .357 today. :o :icon_bs:

Nevr2nd
10-11-2012, 09:43 AM
Congrats on the new baby!!

Endeavor,
Who are u kidding??? We all know your afraid of Coolerman and his Trannies!! Haha

torrent
10-11-2012, 10:32 AM
Congrats to Jason B on the new arrival. Next, congrats to Jason P for the kick in the balls he will be recieving soon when he arrives KCK.:kiss:

About a week till my little one arrives.... :willy_nilly::willy_nilly::willy_nilly:
On another positve note, I recieved my new .357 today. :o :icon_bs:

Thanks. Do you know what you are having?

Coolerman
10-12-2012, 02:28 PM
E1 is having a little girl calf!

endeavor1
10-13-2012, 11:59 AM
E1 is having a little girl calf!

This is correct! Hence the .357 ..... lol

Ratickle
10-14-2012, 11:50 AM
Don't worry. He only goes after the "Cougar" type........

offshoreexcursion
01-20-2013, 01:35 AM
Jason is in the process of freshing his 598's himself with new larger blowers on order. Heads are at Jim Valykeo's. His son Memphis is going to be riding in one Badazz BT this summer!

torrent
01-21-2013, 04:44 PM
As Kevin stated blowers are on order. I went with 16-71 BDS'. They will be hi-helix and billet rotors with a full length throttle body adapter. I was told this will space the throttle bodies and injectors evenly across the rotors allowing for better cooling of the rotors and a way better idle quality. Hoping to pick up heads this week. I sure do hope the valves last a lot longer. :eek:

Coolerman
05-13-2013, 10:18 PM
Alright Jason B, let's get some updates! Pics of the induction package ;-)

torrent
05-13-2013, 11:00 PM
After being extremely indecisive I have nailed down pretty much all the parts for my engine build, A few stragglers rolling in this week. I will be running fuel injection and my father in law helped greatly with making two custom fuel injection throttle body plates. We usd Ryan's plate for a start and in my opinion made it a bunch better. We will see what the dyno says. Oh yeah running a blowershop 14-71 blower and a intercooler I picked from this guy I know. :)

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Coolerman
05-13-2013, 11:32 PM
Awesome..... Everything mated up and sealed okay between the blower and intercooler?

torrent
05-14-2013, 06:34 AM
Awesome..... Everything mated up and sealed okay between the blower and intercooler?

So far so good. I ordered nuts and bolts for everything yesterday. I was hoping to use a stainless allen head bolt, but can't find any 7/16 -14 that are 6 inches long. The intakes need a little touch up and they are good to go.

rschap1
05-14-2013, 11:32 AM
We used to have to "special order" a lot of longer ss allen bolts.
Tried Fastenal? I only saw 4" on their site, but maybe a call???

Ratickle
05-15-2013, 04:22 AM
How about chrome for $22 each?????

7/16-14X6 Socket Head Cap Screw-Chrome/Smooth: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific (http://www.amazon.com/16-14X6-Socket-Head-Screw-Chrome-Smooth/dp/B000NC5LFO)

Coolerman
05-15-2013, 09:55 AM
Jason, as redneck as it is, we just use galvanized threaded rod from the hardware store and cut a groove in the top of the rod to screw it in with a flat head screwdriver.

torrent
05-15-2013, 10:46 AM
Jason, as redneck as it is, we just use galvanized threaded rod from the hardware store and cut a groove in the top of the rod to screw it in with a flat head screwdriver.

I will say, that is pretty back yardish bro!!! Does threaded rod come in stainless? lol!!! I think I will stick with my hex head bolts for now.

Ratickle, I think chrome bolts would work great. Put them on your credit card and ship'em over. I will need 16 of them. Thats only $352.00 for bolts and we're going to need washers. I wonder what the washer cost probably something like 6 bucks a piece?

Coolerman
05-15-2013, 02:50 PM
I will say, that is pretty back yardish bro!!! Does threaded rod come in stainless? lol!!! I think I will stick with my hex head bolts for now.

Ratickle, I think chrome bolts would work great. Put them on your credit card and ship'em over. I will need 16 of them. Thats only $352.00 for bolts and we're going to need washers. I wonder what the washer cost probably something like 6 bucks a piece?

You can find it online in stainless. 316!! only the best......... lol

Ratickle
05-16-2013, 04:19 AM
I will say, that is pretty back yardish bro!!! Does threaded rod come in stainless? lol!!! I think I will stick with my hex head bolts for now.

Ratickle, I think chrome bolts would work great. Put them on your credit card and ship'em over. I will need 16 of them. Thats only $352.00 for bolts and we're going to need washers. I wonder what the washer cost probably something like 6 bucks a piece?

I think Jason already has them on the way to you....

endeavor1
05-16-2013, 08:15 AM
So you went with MOACs right? Lol

Ratickle
05-17-2013, 04:10 AM
I cannot believe, as much as I've looked, that 6" allen is not available in stainless. But so far, I cannot find it......:banghead:

offshoreexcursion
05-18-2013, 11:56 AM
Those fuel injection plates look SO good they might make those saxcoolers look bad! :rofl:

Glad to see the build coming along! Cant wait to run next to ya this summer

Ratickle
05-19-2013, 10:51 AM
So Coolerman will have to step up his game?????

torrent
05-19-2013, 02:54 PM
Thanks, I am very pleased how the plates came out. I got the 96lbs fuel injectors Friday and foound that they are completely different than what we used for mock up while building the plates. So we have to make some alterations to the plates and rails. Like coolerman says there's always a snag somewhere along the line.

I am very pleased with the saxcoolers as well. Couldn't ask for better ones for the money. Hoping to make about a million horsepower on pump gas! lol!

Coolerman
05-20-2013, 11:24 PM
Ha, we just made 2200hp on pond water.

Ratickle
05-21-2013, 09:09 PM
The boat was floating on pond water? Or the engine was running on pond water????

torrent
05-21-2013, 11:34 PM
The boat was floating on pond water? Or the engine was running on pond water????

It is pond water injected since meth is scarce these days.

Ratickle
05-22-2013, 08:26 PM
And you are aware of that because???????:sifone:

Coolerman
05-22-2013, 11:32 PM
It is pond water injected since meth is scarce these days.

Yeah, the local wallgreens ran out of sudafed!

offshoreexcursion
05-22-2013, 11:42 PM
Nice!

endeavor1
05-23-2013, 11:33 AM
Frog ponds?

rschap1
05-23-2013, 01:46 PM
High Octane Frogs...
what will they think of next??


:)

Ratickle
05-23-2013, 08:51 PM
Are you registered for Boyne this year?

torrent
05-24-2013, 08:56 AM
Are you registered for Boyne this year?

Yes, a lot of work to do by then though. Hope to Dyno the first week in June. Just received my shaft rockers yesterday.

Coolerman
05-24-2013, 04:48 PM
Yes, a lot of work to do by next year though. Hope to Dyno the first week in June 2014. Hope to receive my rockers by Christmas.

Fixed that for you................

torrent
05-24-2013, 10:33 PM
Fixed that for you................

That's funny. It might be true though!!! lol!

Coolerman
06-19-2013, 11:07 PM
That's funny. It might be true though!!! lol!

I did some testing on those new plastic pushrods (made by Bic) that you ordered. They will have enough deflection so that when your valve hits the head this time it will have some give to it......

endeavor1
06-20-2013, 01:22 PM
I did some testing on those new plastic pushrods (made by Bic) that you ordered. They will have enough deflection so that when your valve hits the head this time it will have some give to it......

Interesting post @$$

torrent
06-20-2013, 05:47 PM
I did some testing on those new plastic pushrods (made by Bic) that you ordered. They will have enough deflection so that when your valve hits the head this time it will have some give to it......

Now that is some funny $h!t. If your not breaking stuff your not having fun!!!

Coolerman
09-06-2013, 12:25 AM
So, did those Bic pushrods ever show up with those rubbermaid rockers?

All kidding aside, how is the build coming? Any updated pics?

torrent
09-06-2013, 02:08 PM
That there bic pushrod idea is ingenious you know.

The only update I have for the moment is the interior is in it, kind of. I have to put the hatches on it then I will post some pics.

Jason

Ratickle
09-07-2013, 01:40 PM
That there bic pushrod idea is ingenious you know.

Jason

Only with the Rubbermaid Rockers.

torrent
10-20-2013, 06:39 PM
Hey guys I thought I would post an update, too bad I don't have one really. Motors are pretty much together, or as far as I want to go for the moment. I think I made up my mind on drives. The reason I say think, is because if someone wants to give me an alternative, I will take it. After much research I am going to go with Arneson's. I believe they will offer me the most bang for the buck. I just have to same my pennies for a few more months, getting real close though. We all know they are not given away.

endeavor1
11-03-2013, 10:51 PM
Updates?

torrent
11-16-2013, 10:45 AM
Not much to update on. These pics were taken several months ago.
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offshoreexcursion
11-17-2013, 12:21 PM
NICE! Can't believe you have been holding out on us like that! MORE pics MORE pics!

torrent
12-08-2013, 08:37 PM
Well... I made a little progress as of late. I picked up a used set of Arneson ASD7's. I got a good price on them but they do need a bit of TLC. Since they are used I will be tearing them down and going through them completely. I now have to figure out where I need to place them on the transom to get the proper prop shaft height. I will post some pics in a few days.

Ratickle
12-09-2013, 08:25 PM
Rik helping you on that?

torrent
12-09-2013, 08:50 PM
Yes, I've talked to him probably too many times over the past year. I reached out to him on this used set specifically to help assist me in identifying a price point where it didn't exceed a new set. I sent him a list of parts needed today.

endeavor1
12-10-2013, 10:33 PM
Great. Can't wait to see it finished. Bet it runs hard for a fraction of some of the newer ones

Ratickle
12-11-2013, 09:11 PM
Sweet, I cannot wait to see numbers on this thing.

Are the 7's a 16" drop box?

torrent
12-11-2013, 09:20 PM
Great. Can't wait to see it finished. Bet it runs hard for a fraction of some of the newer ones

I've been doing various research on several different things. One thing I did was discuss baseline prop info with BBlades. Based on preliminary calculations, the recommendation for props are Hering 35 pitch, 18* rake, 17 diameter. Calculations are based on the below info.

Estimated 1100HP (actually Dyno #'s TBD)
5800 max RPM
Arneson ASD7's- Drive ratio 1.56:1
Weight of boat 10,500lbs (keep in mind this is an older flat deck)
At an estimated 15% slip

From all the above info we came up with a top speed of about 110MPH. If I could hit that speed I would be tickled pink. Who knows actual speed until it hits the water. I think it’s pretty cool to see what the estimated speed versus what the real speed may be.

Ratickle
12-12-2013, 09:27 PM
I would think you'd be at or under the 15% slip though, so you should be fairly accurate with your number.

Kohiba
12-13-2013, 06:59 AM
Hey J don't forget to call Dave.......keep up the good work

Ratickle
12-14-2013, 12:44 AM
Do you know what the drop is on the 7's? Are they all 16", or did they make them differently?

torrent
12-14-2013, 12:23 PM
Do you know what the drop is on the 7's? Are they all 16", or did they make them differently?

From input gear to output gear centerline it measures just over 6 inches on the drop boxes I have. Not sure exactly how Arneson calculates the drop measurement. After talking with Rik it has been identified that the drop boxes I have are actually ASD6's and there is little difference between the 6 and 7. The main differnce is the chain/gear set. This set of drives I bought came with three gear/chain sets. A pair of chain sets which will go in the trash since they are rated for much lower hp/torque and a gear to gear set which I will most likely be using.

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offshoreexcursion
12-15-2013, 01:46 AM
You know your going to have the most BADAZZ Black Thunder around!!!! It will blow away the SAXmobile :lurk5:

Coolerman
12-15-2013, 02:44 PM
Jason B just bought our PSI's to! He also just changed his drop boxes so his propshafts are 20" on center.....

torrent
12-15-2013, 05:58 PM
Thanks, I think it will be pretty awesome myself! The baddest BT??? I'm not sure of that, there are many that are pretty bad. One of the baddest, sure I'd like to think so. As far as the motors, sticking with what I have for now. i will be pretty happy if they get me to the 105ish mark.

Jason P, Are you guys going to run yours more than one event this year or what!!?

Coolerman
12-15-2013, 08:44 PM
No. lol

Ratickle
12-15-2013, 08:53 PM
Did you change the dropboxes?

torrent
12-15-2013, 09:52 PM
Did you change the dropboxes?

No, I plan to use what I have. The drives will still be at the factory centerline. The 6 dropboxes from what I am told are similiar to the 7's and can be fitted with the larger components.

Another observation I've made since I am going with the large 1500 drysump transmissions they will not fit in the extension boxes due to the deep dry sump pan. This will cause me to move the engines slightly forward. Keep in mind these are early assumptions I've made with minimal measurements. Hope to get the boxes mounted at the 1 inch above the bottom of the boat at drive centlerline recomendation from Rik soon.

offshoreexcursion
12-15-2013, 10:17 PM
MORE PICS! ;)

Coolerman
12-15-2013, 11:30 PM
Moving the engines forward should give you just a wee bit more hatch clearance.

endeavor1
12-16-2013, 01:09 AM
I would think you'd be at or under the 15% slip though, so you should be fairly accurate with your number.

Agreed with Paul. I thought SSM props pull lower slip numbers than bravo style. Who knows though, I know of a pair of BTs, one with a quoted bunch more power and SSM props that doesn't run much better than its 699hp bravo brother.

endeavor1
12-16-2013, 01:12 AM
Chris B just bought our PSI's too! He also just changed to M8s so his propshafts are 20" on center.....

I thought my 8s were a secret

endeavor1
12-16-2013, 01:13 AM
Hey J don't forget to call Dave.......keep up the good work
Ok, will do. I love calling Dave

Coolerman
12-16-2013, 10:19 AM
I think we are around 15% at 139. But it was still accelerating, so the prop hadn't fully caught up yet, probably at least another 5mph to let the prop catch up.

torrent
12-16-2013, 12:21 PM
Here is a few pics of the drives in thier current state.

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torrent
12-16-2013, 05:22 PM
Here is a pic of the cylinders torn down that I will be rebuilding and having re-chromed. I am waiting for a tool to come in so I can finish. I will most likely be bringing them to the chrome shop on Friday. They stated it takes like 4-6 and sometimes 8 weeks to get items chromed.

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torrent
12-20-2013, 04:03 PM
I found out some additional info which I feel like a complete dumba$$ since I didn't realize it in the beginning. Since I have 3 gear/chain sets it was a little confusing to why there was three and how reverse rotation is achieved with the parts I have gotten for this basket case. So one drive will be gear to gear and the other will be chain driven. The chain drives I received are rated for much lower HP so I will be replacing them with the proper set.

jetcruzr
12-20-2013, 06:37 PM
I found out some additional info which I feel like a complete dumba$$ since I didn't realize it in the beginning. Since I have 3 gear/chain sets it was a little confusing to why there was three and how reverse rotation is achieved with the parts I have gotten for this basket case. So one drive will be gear to gear and the other will be chain driven. The chain drives I received are rated for much lower HP so I will be replacing them with the proper set.

Ya, I was wondering about that! Haha!

jetcruzr
12-28-2013, 01:44 PM
Making progress while the sun shines!

http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq291/jetcruzr/null_zpsbab10a5f.jpg

jetcruzr
12-28-2013, 02:28 PM
1 box mocked to transom

http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq291/jetcruzr/null_zps9af54c27.jpg

jetcruzr
12-28-2013, 05:12 PM
Successful day! Boxes fit and mounted.

http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq291/jetcruzr/null_zps50a718bf.jpg

BLEWAFUZE
12-29-2013, 02:03 PM
looks awesome! cant wait to see the progress!:cheers2:

torrent
12-29-2013, 02:23 PM
Thanks, it should be cool once its finished. Thanks to Tommy for posting the pics. Now I need to get transmissions to further progress.

offshoreexcursion
12-29-2013, 04:09 PM
looks awesome! cant wait to see the progress!:cheers2:

Been telling Ross about this thread glad you finally signed up and checked it out!

Jason your Arnesons are making me so jelous I can't even handle it! Might just steal your boat next time your on a business trip :26:

Coolerman
12-29-2013, 06:58 PM
Jason, looks awesome bud!

torrent
12-30-2013, 09:43 AM
Thanks for the compliments. I'm looking to run a super cyborg drysump trans (drive line style) so if anyone knows a pair for sale let me know.

Ratickle
12-31-2013, 09:27 AM
Looking sweet. I cannot wait to see what dial in is like.

endeavor1
12-31-2013, 10:04 PM
Very cool

Coolerman
12-20-2015, 02:42 AM
Post some more pics and updates on this bad boy