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TYPHOON
07-05-2011, 04:32 PM
Its going to be hard to top Madison last week but I have been to Detroit last year and its off the hook as well. I talked to Trophy today and he is already there along with some of the P1 Out Boards. Round 2 in 4 days. As always looking for some new blood to come out and race. If you are serious Martin is giving some rides in the new boats to see if it for you. I had my first race in one last week and its a very cool boat. From first place to last was no more than 10 boat lengths. And thats with teams that have never raced before to Super Cat talant (Mark Kawalski Throttleman for JD Byrider) in one boat.
MD

Ratickle
07-06-2011, 04:14 PM
See you in Detroit......


We are unable to get there until late Saturday evening. I'll give you a call.

TYPHOON
07-08-2011, 06:39 PM
Latest report was SVL has 4
Time Bandet
Typhoon
Pirates
Octane

My flight got cancelled at the last min due to weather. Leaving first thing in the morn. This sucks!!!!

Ratickle
07-08-2011, 08:16 PM
Latest report was SVL has 4
Time Bandet
Typhoon
Pirates
Octane

My flight got cancelled at the last min due to weather. Leaving first thing in the morn. This sucks!!!!

I'll meet you in the bar and buy you a drink. You'll forget all about it.......:D

Bilgerat
07-08-2011, 11:00 PM
Hope there isn't going to be four heats .

F1-00 Racing
07-09-2011, 12:42 AM
Hope there isn't going to be four heats .

Classic!!! Now come on J, P1 where your guaranteed a heat victory and a hotel room. Instead of P1, should we start calling it WWE offshore style? I thought the staged racing oops excuse me, demonstration racing was over.....

imco offshore
07-09-2011, 08:46 AM
well, they will have the oppertunity to get into the APBA HALL OF FAME ,,

SVL66
07-09-2011, 09:06 AM
I think you guys are being unfair. Exhibition or race....does it really matter? Why beat down on an org that is just getting started? They may survive, they may not. We all know every one of these teams have been and are competitive racers. But, the main objective, according to some of you, was to have fun. Well, these guys are having fun. A boat load of fun. They can't say enough about how great these events are. And to boot, they are getting paid and comped rooms for putting on a show. As long as the fans enjoy it, why should it matter how they perform? I remember someone on here bragging about how great it was to get paid to park their boat in front of a business, never having to put the boat in the water the entire season. Whats the difference? Give these guys a break. You claim to respect them as racers, so respect their choices to try something new. Does it help the class? Not really. But we will always be divided until we can all compromise where we want to race.

Regarding the Hall of Champions, If you are referring to Simmons, You can not dispute that he certainly deserved it 2 years ago, but got screwed because of the SBI/APBA dispute. If thats his objective, wish him luck.

Whatever floats your boat, no pun intended. But a good one nevertheless

Taboo
07-09-2011, 04:42 PM
No guarante for a heat win last year in Detroit, should be the same this year

Pete B
07-09-2011, 07:35 PM
I think you guys are being unfair. Exhibition or race....does it really matter? Why beat down on an org that is just getting started? They may survive, they may not. We all know every one of these teams have been and are competitive racers. But, the main objective, according to some of you, was to have fun. Well, these guys are having fun. A boat load of fun. They can't say enough about how great these events are. And to boot, they are getting paid and comped rooms for putting on a show. As long as the fans enjoy it, why should it matter how they perform? I remember someone on here bragging about how great it was to get paid to park their boat in front of a business, never having to put the boat in the water the entire season. Whats the difference? Give these guys a break. You claim to respect them as racers, so respect their choices to try something new. Does it help the class? Not really. But we will always be divided until we can all compromise where we want to race.

Regarding the Hall of Champions, If you are referring to Simmons, You can not dispute that he certainly deserved it 2 years ago, but got screwed because of the SBI/APBA dispute. If thats his objective, wish him luck.

Whatever floats your boat, no pun intended. But a good one nevertheless

your statements are so true Mr. Goldberg! winning some money, hotel room comped= saving some money while having fun. Randy won both OPA world Title as well as SBI world title, what does he have to prove???

Ratickle
07-09-2011, 08:32 PM
I believe Simmons did the 4 up championship season last year.....


OPA National

OPA World

SBI World

SBI National


Am I wrong?

Ratickle
07-09-2011, 08:46 PM
Classic!!! Now come on J, P1 where your guaranteed a heat victory and a hotel room. Instead of P1, should we start calling it WWE offshore style? I thought the staged racing oops excuse me, demonstration racing was over.....

With all due respect, you're off base Trent. The guys may save their equipment as much as possible to get through the two day event with multiple heats, same thing happens in Key West and in NASCAR events for the points championship, but there are no guarantees at all. They beat on them as much as they have to to get the wins.

I remember well the old days of offshore racing where everyone went as fast, or slow, as the leaders in their group to try and make their equipment last then hammer only as much as they had to on the home stretch run. No finish, no win.

You've just become to used to a 4 to 7 lap race on a 3 to 5 mile course where the winner takes it based on the one short event. This setup is more like the Worlds where the total finish positions make the final outcome.

You, of all the guys around, should be one to remember those races.

F1-00 Racing
07-09-2011, 10:42 PM
Yes Paul your right I have been through several Key Wests, Marathons, Ft Lauderdales, and Orange Beachs that have a multi race format. I also gave 110% in every event and have tore up more equipment that I care to remember. However, if something happened, I either fixed it or didnt complete the event. In the classes I've competed in, if you snoozed you lost, you couldnt afford to hold back at any time.

I was told by a couple of SVL teams themselves last year that "you know how to tell if its staged or not, look where Pirate finishes, if hes up front, its staged, if in the back, it was a race" At first I thought it was a funny comment, then I looked at Detroit last year and the obvious OB announced "Demonstration" race of Friday. Then look at the Sunday finale. They finished 2nd in the demo, and dead last in the race. As I thought about it, it was kind of upsetting as those two have put a lot of time and effort into racing to the point of ask them one day, who gave them their first checkered flag for their first ever victory in P5? SBI doesnt issue flags for each race in KW, I felt they deserved one, but thats just evil ole me :rolleyes:

I posted in advance the results of Madison and was dead on. Randy is an elite racer and has the resume to prove it, but instead of going on here and defending the "new series" or being allowed to be utilized as a puppet with the fiasco of Sarasota, some people should put the keyboard down and support this new series. I know that keyboard racer when he does actually race cant be bought and certainly would never stage a race, its not in his DNA. But he now comes on here saying exhibition is ok. Even with all the crap that happened in SRQ, I had the front row seat to a RACE and boy did Willie and Larry demolish the field, I was impressed

With my obvious ties to the Unlimited series and the ability to get the phone calls of the play by play of todays races, including the two spinouts etc, maybe tomorrow you can go down to the U-96 Qatar pit and ask him how he was saving his equipment when he melted a gear case during one of the heats or the 21 or 25, I forget which who pulled out due to a blown turbine with no replacement. The most disappointing call of today was from one of the owners stating that the racing aside from the spinouts was "boring" I even tried to play it off that it wouldnt be exciting to him unless the boats were doing over 150 sideways. We chuckled, but how embarrassing.

Take the make believe checks(rumours are getting around that they are not getting paid like promised), go through the make believe tech inspections(remember you said it was based off the racers word...) stay in the lavish hotels, I'll just stay here living out of my refrigerator box and be called poor white trash, I will never live with the fact that I'm referred to as a sellout.

Bilgerat
07-10-2011, 12:15 AM
[QUOTE=Ratickle;555632]With all due respect, you're off base Trent. The guys may save their equipment as much as possible to get through the two day event with multiple heats, same thing happens in Key West and in NASCAR events for the points championship, but there are no guarantees at all. They beat on them as much as they have to to get the wins.

QUOTE]
What r u talkin bout?

We all know Simmons is responsible for allowing me most of my accomplishments and I thank him for that, I totally understand where he comes from wanting to do the P1 thing this time around. He also has a new to him boat he is learning and fixing. and if I can get a $13,333.33 check at an event I would like to ride that train myself, Getting Bruce's boat for my buddy is not out of the question. But ..... if you think for a minute that three heat three winner stuff is "racing" that is incorrect. It may be fun, it may make a good TV show, it may provide enjoyable income for a weekend of fun tv making and schmoozing in hotels, but it is not nor should be reffered to as racing. Entertainment for the fans, and teams involved........maybe, but not racing. And that is fine, I am not against that, it is an entertainment product and if it provides Income to the group or teams involved, that is cool, Again not saying I wouldn't want in on that, but definitely not teams pushing their boats to the limit racing.

600sci
07-10-2011, 12:54 AM
and here we all go again..BLA BLA BLA BLA ....

fixing this racing BS is 100% not easy and a new sanctioning body cant help that eitehr ..

THE ONLY THING THAT CAN FIX TODAYS RACING ....IS , US THE RACERS !

and agin all this BLABLA ..doesnt help it in anyway either !

But WTF, who am i to say this ....


I have to add, i respect and take my hat off to each and anyone that is spending money on all this stuff in todays world ! No matter where , WHO, or Y !

congrats to all and myself..LOL

Bilgerat
07-10-2011, 09:11 AM
BLA BLA BLA BLA ....

RACERS !

BLABLA ..

But WTF, who am i to say this ....

Agree with that !!



I have to add, i respect and take my hat off to each and anyone that is spending money on all this stuff in todays world ! No matter where , WHO, or Y !

congrats to all and myself..LOL
If I had enough, i would be spendin as well, still working on that.

Ratickle
07-10-2011, 10:48 AM
and agin all this BLABLA ..doesnt help it in anyway either !

I have to add, i respect and take my hat off to each and anyone that is spending money on all this stuff in todays world ! No matter where , WHO, or Y !



Agree with that !!

If I had enough, i would be spendin as well, still working on that.

I agree with both.

Some of these things should be discussed only in private with those involved at the competition and promotion level. We all have ideas of what we think may be better, but some of the things put on line make it difficult for any of those currently in, or those of us wanting to get in, to line up sponsors, events, investors, etc.

If you want to put out ideas for improvement, great. But you don't think possible promotors and sponsors research what they are thinking of getting into??????

600sci
07-10-2011, 12:18 PM
I agree with both.

Some of these things should be discussed only in private with those involved at the competition and promotion level. We all have ideas of what we think may be better, but some of the things put on line make it difficult for any of those currently in, or those of us wanting to get in, to line up sponsors, events, investors, etc.

If you want to put out ideas for improvement, great. But you don't think possible promotors and sponsors research what they are thinking of getting into??????

I agree 100% ..so why doesnt SOS open a section just for us racers to discuss and bash with nobody else allowed in !
that would probably be very funny aswell...HAHAHA
and maybe even good on a serious note ??!

and remember when its all said and done, there is a lot more to say and do !;):boobflash:

imco offshore
07-10-2011, 01:21 PM
Bruce ,i, wasn,t knocking anybody in particular,,I thought they ALL were eligable for the title,,is Simmons the only one , i didn,t know that sorry ,,I guess my point was ,,how does staged racing fit in APBA,s selection ,,,I also agree they have the best options right now,,,,,,,,,,,,,, some pay ,,some figure out how not to pay !

Wahoo 214
07-10-2011, 06:27 PM
Staging a "race" is a discrace to everyone who has ever competed for real. If the APBA P1 is not disclosing it as rigged how does that reflect upon the real racers in the hydros?

Pete B
07-10-2011, 07:09 PM
So, what everyone is saying is when the "Offshore boats have attended the Gold Cup"
the races were never staged?

600sci
07-10-2011, 07:15 PM
Staging a "race" is a discrace to everyone who has ever competed for real. If the APBA P1 is not disclosing it as rigged how does that reflect upon the real racers in the hydros?

I heard already that some hydro guys did not like P1 and such...hhhmmmmmmm :huh:

Ratickle
07-10-2011, 07:43 PM
Staging a "race" is a discrace to everyone who has ever competed for real. If the APBA P1 is not disclosing it as rigged how does that reflect upon the real racers in the hydros?

I'll say this to you Dean, not staged. Last week Simmons ran into Pirate trying to make the pass and screwed both boats up. I'm sure they did that because it didn't matter? First heat Saturday, Typhoon spun out. I have pics of the bumping and spinouts today, staged I'm sure.....

What is happening is that you need to finish 4 to 5 heats to get the win. Teams calculate where they are and make decisions based on those calculations. Pirate got second overall. Randy spun out and didn't finish one heat. Otherwise they would have been in the hunt. Time Bandit ended up first overall, nice running. Third overall was Octane with Tyler and Simmons. Think they were sandbagging?

I'll fill everyone in on the overall SVS and SS. I almost ended up driving for Tyler...

Ratickle
07-10-2011, 07:46 PM
I heard already that some hydro guys did not like P1 and such...hhhmmmmmmm :huh:

Of course they don't. They'd rather see the lower classes of Hydro's vs Offshore. That's how they came up into the unlimited class, not by driving Offshore. Well, our friend Steve may be the one exception....

F1-00 Racing
07-10-2011, 08:08 PM
Simmons ran into Pirate

dag gum, I figured he had the "come across your bow in a turn" move down pretty pat, now hes just hittin em?

Ratickle
07-10-2011, 10:48 PM
I should rephrase...

The two of them rubbed.....:D

TYPHOON
07-10-2011, 11:11 PM
Not sure where this idea of staged racing is coming from other than last years first race in OB where we agreed to put on a show at the first race. Fast forward to this year and race on a tight small course and any team can win if you have the pole and dont screw up. The reason I see differant winners is you change the starting position every heat based on your last finish. Its a 2 mile course so when the green goes up you have less than a mile to turn one. If you have the pole and can maintain your position through turn one you have a great shot at winning even in a boat that may be 2-3 mph slower. I can guaranty you there was NO STAGING at the last 2 events in P1. I can also tell you that any of the other SVL boats better be on there game in the turns if they want to race against any of these guys. We have had more turns in 2 races than most will have in 2 years. THERE HAS BEEN MORE SPIN OUTS IN THE LAST 2 RACES THAN THERE HAS BEEN IN YEARS. AND YOU PEOPLE HAVE THE BALLS TO CALL IT STAGED. Kiss our a$$.

F1-00 Racing
07-10-2011, 11:32 PM
Randy,

Obviously there is a 100 lb elephant in the room, I've been the target b4, why not now lol With all respect to the Time Bandit and his higher hp, I look at the lineup of the 3 remaining and I say this with all due respect, the other two dont and will never hold a candle to you and your ability. So in essence, with all of us knowing how good you really are, an assumption of staged racing always comes to mind if you are to get beat.

and no I aint gonna kiss your a$$, but I will state facts and please dont come back and tell me how great the other teams are, they might be, but we all know that they're not as good as you....

Trent

heater63
07-10-2011, 11:42 PM
Trent,for someone who races against nobody you have an aweful lot of negative things to say about those who are racing against alot of other boats

F1-00 Racing
07-10-2011, 11:48 PM
Doug, raced against 5 in cocoa and 8 others in Sarasota.... Ok I was told 3 other class 4 boats would show in SIB, they didnt... I'm the bad guy now? And you've raced when this year??????

600sci
07-11-2011, 01:15 AM
here we go again.....HELL..TRENT STOP u never learn ...

BTW it was 4 other in COCOA ...5 TOTAL !

LOL;)

SVL66
07-11-2011, 08:37 AM
Not sure where this idea of staged racing is coming from other than last years first race in OB where we agreed to put on a show at the first race. Fast forward to this year and race on a tight small course and any team can win if you have the pole and dont screw up. The reason I see differant winners is you change the starting position every heat based on your last finish. Its a 2 mile course so when the green goes up you have less than a mile to turn one. If you have the pole and can maintain your position through turn one you have a great shot at winning even in a boat that may be 2-3 mph slower. I can guaranty you there was NO STAGING at the last 2 events in P1. I can also tell you that any of the other SVL boats better be on there game in the turns if they want to race against any of these guys. We have had more turns in 2 races than most will have in 2 years. THERE HAS BEEN MORE SPIN OUTS IN THE LAST 2 RACES THAN THERE HAS BEEN IN YEARS. AND YOU PEOPLE HAVE THE BALLS TO CALL IT STAGED. Kiss our a$$.

this is where it came from


Classic!!! Now come on J, P1 where your guaranteed a heat victory and a hotel room. Instead of P1, should we start calling it WWE offshore style? I thought the staged racing oops excuse me, demonstration racing was over.....


Bruce ,i, wasn,t knocking anybody in particular,,I thought they ALL were eligable for the title,,is Simmons the only one , i didn,t know that sorry ,,I guess my point was ,,how does staged racing fit in APBA,s selection ,,,I also agree they have the best options right now,,,,,,,,,,,,,, some pay ,,some figure out how not to pay !

they are all eligible. However, it is Simmons' personal goal.


Randy,

Obviously there is a 100 lb elephant in the room, I've been the target b4, why not now lol With all respect to the Time Bandit and his higher hp, I look at the lineup of the 3 remaining and I say this with all due respect, the other two dont and will never hold a candle to you and your ability. So in essence, with all of us knowing how good you really are, an assumption of staged racing always comes to mind if you are to get beat.

and no I aint gonna kiss your a$$, but I will state facts and please dont come back and tell me how great the other teams are, they might be, but we all know that they're not as good as you....

Trent

your kissin his ass right now. you have a bad way of being politically correct. There's always a hint of condecending overtone. Get over yourself Trent. Remember where you came from.

the only true advantage Randy has over these other teams is seat time...plain and simple. Add phucking nuts to the equation and you have the makings of a winner.

Put Randy in any one of those boats and he'll probably win. Give the others time, they'll come around.

Wahoo 214
07-11-2011, 09:49 AM
If these are not staged, I apoligize. But my feelings do not change toward staged "racing" at any event.

Racing is about winning, staged exhibitions are about showing off boats and drinking beer. But we already have poker runs for that.

Wahoo 214
07-11-2011, 09:57 AM
So, what everyone is saying is when the "Offshore boats have attended the Gold Cup"
the races were never staged?

I don't know about other times, but I know the time we went it was not staged. I don't think the super cats teams would have ever written a script where the Cintron Vee came from the second start and passed them all. Hebie was hauling the mail.

600sci
07-11-2011, 09:59 AM
.

Racing is about winning, staged exhibitions are about showing off boats and drinking beer. But we already have poker runs for that.

and a big yellow cat ...LOL

Ratickle
07-11-2011, 04:55 PM
I don't know about other times, but I know the time we went it was not staged. I don't think the super cats teams would have ever written a script where the Cintron Vee came from the second start and passed them all. Hebie was hauling the mail.

Yes they were........

Pete B
07-11-2011, 06:14 PM
Yes they were........


Touche`!

Wahoo 214
07-12-2011, 09:34 AM
Yes they were........

I will say that they were not real races, meaning no pace boats, complete classes, boats to race against, set number of laps or heats, points paid, or a sanactioning body. But I can guarantee you that Herbie running down and passing the Cat fleet was in no way scripted. Being that it was by invitation of the Super Cat teams that the vees were there, Herb really ruffled some feathers.

As for us, we had no one to run against so we focused on fly bys, (they actually warned us to stop it on the radio:smash::smash:)

There was also no purse $, free hotels, or an illusion of it being a true OPA race.

TYPHOON
07-12-2011, 08:33 PM
Weekend adventure,
Heat one, It was a mess for me and the team. I missed the flight and couldnt book one till Sat. morning. Thought I would miss the first heat so Trophy said he would drive. At the drivers role call they asked Trophy what his last name was and the racers all yelled BIT$H. Well the race was delayed and I had just enough time to do my physical and sign doc's. I had my new driver Stan from the old Mojo driving. We did great then ran out of gas on the last mile running in first. 2 nd heat we were trying to pass Time Bandet and went around in a spin. Ended up in 3rd thanks to Octane spinning as well. Craned out only to be light at 4750 lbs so the day was shot but we had fun. Heat 3 on Sun. we placed 3rd and heat 4 we were dead last. Heat 5 we changed the prop and moved some weight and won the last race with a new driver Brett Freshman. Crained out and came up 20LBS light and lost the point for those 3 heats. Finishing last suckes but having a great time is priceless! Great event,great inforcement of the rules and great friends!!!
MD

imco offshore
07-13-2011, 08:50 AM
what is the weight rule ?

Sean Stinson
07-13-2011, 09:14 AM
I believe it is 4750 George

Bilgerat
07-13-2011, 10:54 AM
Saw some pictures from RPM ministries on FB. and It sure did look like a cool venue, lots of professional teams, drivers signing autograph sessions, always fun. Who all is running those outboard boats ? Is he sticking to the pricing structure to run those? What is that cost ?
What types of propellers and gears are you guys using to run these short courses? Maybe that is secret info, better question, what speeed do you hit on the straights?

TYPHOON
07-13-2011, 04:35 PM
Top speed 90-91 1:50 gear 29-30 pitch 5 blade. Weight 4750 single step. Stock Merc 525 or vortec meets the HP/Weight spec. You can modify a bit but have to carry more weight. Its HP/Weight. And no at this time there is no dyno at the race site. Dont like it dont come. Tec can whisle,comp test,pull a intake on any boat at any time.
Anyone have the number of the new team that bought the Dunbar boat? Please pm me it please. Sounds like some good people. I would like to welcome them aboard.
MD

XtremeRacing
07-13-2011, 08:36 PM
Randy,
You going to be at the NYC race again this yr ???