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MiamiOffshore
05-17-2010, 08:59 PM
Who has any pics of Plum loco's engine?

Anyone remember exactly details of the power?

rchevelle71
05-17-2010, 09:04 PM
Who has any pics of Plum loco's engine?

Anyone remember exactly details of the power?

:bump:Way to Go Angel, I am sure we can dig it up:sifone:

I know it was a serious small block, I am thinking maybe a blown 377??

DAREDEVIL
05-17-2010, 09:14 PM
600 HP ..................yeah baby





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbEDvApTi_w&feature=related

MiamiOffshore
05-17-2010, 09:27 PM
:bump:Way to Go Angel, I am sure we can dig it up:sifone:

I know it was a serious small block, I am thinking maybe a blown 377??

I spoke to Pepe and he told me it was a high compression SBC.
Someone has to have a pic of the engine in this bad boy somewhere.?

DAREDEVIL
05-17-2010, 09:46 PM
I spoke to Pepe and he told me it was a high compression SBC.
Someone has to have a pic of the engine in this bad boy somewhere.?

I remember somebody told me ..like a 13:1 compression on 116 octane !!!!
But hey..u really don't want that ????!!! 8 bucks a gallon...and only work and maintnance ???!!!!!

rchevelle71
05-17-2010, 09:50 PM
I wouldnt go 13:1, but maybe a mild forged small block with a blower??

no limits
05-17-2010, 10:00 PM
360-364 C.I. 13:1 compression. Around 600HP. Built by Performance something in Panama City. A car engine shop. Ask Jo, he might have pics.

MiamiOffshore
05-17-2010, 10:08 PM
Not looking for a 600 h.p. 13:1 compression motor to run 85+ mph......but what do you guys think it would take to say run 65 mph from a SBC

no limits
05-17-2010, 10:31 PM
Not looking for a 600 h.p. 13:1 compression motor to run 85+ mph......but what do you guys think it would take to say run 65 mph from a SBC

Around 400HP? Always thought 400/450 HP would be a good fit for the 24 Pantera in a SBC.

DAREDEVIL
05-17-2010, 11:38 PM
Not looking for a 600 h.p. 13:1 compression motor to run 85+ mph......but what do you guys think it would take to say run 65 mph from a SBC

With 600 it ran 102.X MPH ..so i think with a nice 450 HP u should see 70+ easy !!!!

MiamiOffshore
05-18-2010, 12:04 AM
With 600 it ran 102.X MPH ..so i think with a nice 450 HP u should see 70+ easy !!!!

If I'm not mistaken it ran 85+ with the 600hp SBC and then ran over 100+ with bigger motor...but I maybe mistaken.

DAREDEVIL
05-18-2010, 12:21 AM
Don't know 100% but i thought it was with the beefy SBC ????!


1. Supercharger Systems (38) 112mph
2. Plum Loco (24) 103.6mph
3. Mig28 (28) 102mph.

# are from an other thread !!!:sifone:

stormrider
05-18-2010, 10:29 AM
Angel... speak to Laz.
He gave me some great pricing on a 475HP 383ci a few yrs back.
Even if you don't buy from him, he'll have ideas for you.

BTW, i was running 74.8 w/ 560hp bbc.
Now Jeff is running closer to 78-79 w/ the same broken in setup.

MiamiOffshore
05-18-2010, 10:50 AM
Angel... speak to Laz.
He gave me some great pricing on a 475HP 383ci a few yrs back.
Even if you don't buy from him, he'll have ideas for you.

BTW, i was running 74.8 w/ 560hp bbc.
Now Jeff is running closer to 78-79 w/ the same broken in setup.


Rob what's up..
Yea Laz has had some some great SBC build up's...especially stroker's.

thx
Angel

Dude! Sweet!
05-18-2010, 11:03 AM
Pat Weismann is doing a LOT with LSX power. Next generation engine with lots of power potential. They fixed a lot of stuff that didn't work on the last generation small blocks (like the siamesed exhaust ports and head cracking). They're running a pair off them in the old Ettore Extreme and the thing runs like a scalded cat.

Dude! Sweet!
05-18-2010, 11:12 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qREEW8qCnTQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibYk_cHpwPA&NR=1

rchevelle71
05-18-2010, 11:44 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qREEW8qCnTQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibYk_cHpwPA&NR=1

That dude made me dizzy with his camera work:rolleyes:

I think Angel has a 400 laying around he is wanting to work with.

MiamiOffshore
05-18-2010, 12:33 PM
That dude made me dizzy with his camera work:rolleyes:

I think Angel has a 400 laying around he is wanting to work with.

BAD AZZ but yea the camera work has me sea sick right now...hehehe

I've got a 400 SBC and was just given a 355 4bolt main complete motor by my brother in law from one of his boats ...:sifone:
I know that ultimate power is a BBC, but I have always wondered how a real nice small block would do in a 24 Pantera....especially after seeing how well that damn Plum Loco runs.
My plan is to make some minor changes to the 355 on the top end, cam, intake and heads..and slap her in just to get it in the water.
As for the 400...I have a couple of different ideas...one of which Rick gave me...that would make it a real nice SBC.

At the end of the day SBC's are a dime a dozen and DAMN cheap compared to BBC. Yes I know displacement rules but I think that with todays technology in parts you can build a VERY reliable SBC that will run all day long and not break the bank either.

rchevelle71
05-18-2010, 12:37 PM
BAD AZZ but yea the camera work has me sea sick right now...hehehe

I've got a 400 SBC and was just given a 355 4bolt main complete motor by my brother in law from one of his boats ...:sifone:
I know that ultimate power is a BBC, but I have always wondered how a real nice small block would do in a 24 Pantera....especially after seeing how well that damn Plum Loco runs.
My plan is to make some minor changes to the 355 on the top end, cam, intake and heads..and slap her in just to get it in the water.
As for the 400...I have a couple of different ideas...one of which Rick gave me...that would make it a real nice SBC.

At the end of the day SBC's are a dime a dozen and DAMN cheap compared to BBC. Yes I know displacement rules but I think that with todays technology in parts you can build a VERY reliable SBC that will run all day long and not break the bank either.

Plus, think of the balance, a big power lightweight smallblock with the TRS COG would be killer. Plus the potential to turn RPM, as you have witnessed, my 24 ran 60 with a 225, turning some rpm:driving:

stormrider
05-18-2010, 01:41 PM
Angel, of anyone, you should know the sbc situation, since your 24 and 28 both had them. That's how i'd build a 28... twin 450-500sbc.

rchevelle71
05-18-2010, 02:20 PM
:driving:

http://hekimianracing.com/hpengines.html

MiamiOffshore
05-18-2010, 02:24 PM
Angel, of anyone, you should know the sbc situation, since your 24 and 28 both had them. That's how i'd build a 28... twin 450-500sbc.

Rob that 28 of mine with small blocks was very well balanced ... honestly with todays technology I have no idea why anyone would power a 28 with twin BBC it makes no sense whatsoever.
As for my 24 Pantera well that was a SBF 351W :eek:,
originally back in 85' it was sold as hull and deck and the owner powered it. Not very fast but RELIABLE to the nth degree. Only replaced the aluminum Edelbrock exhaust because it was like 20 years old and the points condensor once...other than that just oil and plugs.

I'm going SBC on this one and see if it will provide the power I'm looking for with reliability and not spending a lot of $$$$ like I know a BBC would be.

Here are pics of the 351W from my first Pantera 24(left) and then the 350's from my 28' (right)

MiamiOffshore
05-18-2010, 02:40 PM
:driving:

http://hekimianracing.com/hpengines.html

:drool5:

Me likey

rchevelle71
05-18-2010, 03:27 PM
Rob that 28 of mine with small blocks was very well balanced ... honestly with todays technology I have no idea why anyone would power a 28 with twin BBC it makes no sense whatsoever.
As for my 24 Pantera well that was a SBF 351W :eek:,
originally back in 85' it was sold as hull and deck and the owner powered it. Not very fast but RELIABLE to the nth degree. Only replaced the aluminum Edelbrock exhaust because it was like 20 years old and the points condensor once...other than that just oil and plugs.

I'm going SBC on this one and see if it will provide the power I'm looking for with reliability and not spending a lot of $$$$ like I know a BBC would be.

Here are pics of the 351W from my first Pantera 24(left) and then the 350's from my 28' (right)

I knew I shoulda bought that 28:rolleyes:

or at least one of the 3, lets see who knows the other 2!!!:bump:

rchevelle71
05-18-2010, 03:31 PM
Another

rchevelle71
05-18-2010, 03:35 PM
Just in case someone hasnt seen Plum Loco

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbEDvApTi_w&feature=PlayList&p=5C2228273D6DE122&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=41

slpcamaross97
05-18-2010, 06:45 PM
I thought this boat was back at the factory a bit ago?

MiamiOffshore
05-18-2010, 07:04 PM
I thought this boat was back at the factory a bit ago?

Which one ? 24 Plum Loco or the 28 Black/Green?

MiamiOffshore
05-18-2010, 07:07 PM
Thanks to Crash-Box from OSO here are the motor pix....just not sure if this is the original motor or the motor it ran 100+ with...I suspect this is the later of the two.
372 cu.in. BowTie block.
FWH2O Cooled, Mega inter-cooler ,
13 1/2 compression

DAREDEVIL
05-18-2010, 08:14 PM
Thanks to Crash-Box from OSO here are the motor pix....just not sure if this is the original motor or the motor it ran 100+ with...I suspect this is the later of the two.
372 cu.in. BowTie block.
FWH2O Cooled, Mega inter-cooler ,
13 1/2 compression

NICE :cheers2::driving::USA:

slpcamaross97
05-18-2010, 08:44 PM
Which one ? 24 Plum Loco or the 28 Black/Green?

Plum

Crash-Box
05-19-2010, 08:31 AM
Thanks to Crash-Box from OSO here are the motor pix....just not sure if this is the original motor or the motor it ran 100+ with...I suspect this is the later of the two.
372 cu.in. BowTie block.
FWH2O Cooled, Mega inter-cooler ,
13 1/2 compression


I'm here too............Just a little slow thats all lol
Scanner kicking my arss...

AND YES ! That is the original motor that ran triple digits.
These pic's are from 2000 when Monty Webb from Panama City
still owned the boat.

MiamiOffshore
05-19-2010, 08:33 AM
Ok a couple more that "Crash-Box" provided.

rchevelle71
05-19-2010, 08:43 AM
Love the dash, and 3-man setup:sifone:

Check this one out:eek:

http://miami.craigslist.org/brw/boa/1748152755.html

MiamiOffshore
05-19-2010, 08:51 AM
Love the dash, and 3-man setup:sifone:

Check this one out:eek:

http://miami.craigslist.org/brw/boa/1748152755.html

Yea I saw that one this morning.....but he's asking crazy $$

Ok I'm off to go build me an engine hoist to pull the BBC out.

rchevelle71
05-19-2010, 09:39 AM
Yea I saw that one this morning.....but he's asking crazy $$

Ok I'm off to go build me an engine hoist to pull the BBC out.

I have a hoist at the house if you need it, Ray did a redneck thing that may work, with the hoist in the back of a pickup:eek:

DAREDEVIL
05-19-2010, 10:35 AM
I'm here too............Just a little slow thats all lol
Scanner kicking my arss...

AND YES ! That is the original motor that ran triple digits.
These pic's are from 2000 when Monty Webb from Panama City
still owned the boat.

Hello Crash Box, would u have some Video's of Smoki'n Gun the 28 Manta ( damn manta ) !???????????????

Sorry for the high jack !:eek:

DAREDEVIL
05-19-2010, 10:37 AM
Yea I saw that one this morning.....but he's asking crazy $$

Ok I'm off to go build me an engine hoist to pull the BBC out.

Don't u think its easyer to go to a marina and just have it lifted out and set on your pick up ?????

After u unbolt everything,,i always do it that way, leave 2 bolts in it ..loose, and then just pay the fork truck guy 20 bucks...lol:sifone:

rchevelle71
05-19-2010, 11:19 AM
Don't u think its easyer to go to a marina and just have it lifted out and set on your pick up ?????

After u unbolt everything,,i always do it that way, leave 2 bolts in it ..loose, and then just pay the fork truck guy 20 bucks...lol:sifone:

Maybe on the west coast, nobody works for $20 in Miami:sifone:

Just talked to Angel, his plan should work, heck, look at what we did to get Rays out, I have also done it the way Angel is working off of a set of beams with a chain hoist. I told him worst case, I have a hoist and a lifted pickup:cheers2:

MiamiOffshore
05-19-2010, 05:32 PM
Rick I appreciate the hoist offer but I just ran down to Lowes and picked up 2 - 2x6x12's pressure treated and thru bolted them with some carriage bolts. Then I got some 5x5 aluminum angle from Simmons here in Miami (Cheapest place for your alum. and stainless needs here in South Fl.). I mounted the 2x6 on end on top of the alum. angle and straped them down with a couple of bolts to the alum. angle and used Red Head bolts for the concrete. Just gotta paint it now to match the house and now I have a lift available to me anytime ..... hope the wife likes it since she still doesn't know i did this :eek:

DAREDEVIL
05-19-2010, 06:03 PM
Rick I appreciate the hoist offer but I just ran down to Lowes and picked up 2 - 2x6x12's pressure treated and thru bolted them with some carriage bolts. Then I got some 5x5 aluminum angle from Simmons here in Miami (Cheapest place for your alum. and stainless needs here in South Fl.). I mounted the 2x6 on end on top of the alum. angle and straped them down with a couple of bolts to the alum. angle and used Red Head bolts for the concrete. Just gotta paint it now to match the house and now I have a lift available to me anytime ..... hope the wife likes it since she still doesn't know i did this :eek:

Damn,,,i hope it holds 1200 # ..mmmmhhhh :eek:

Be safe..lol

Mange
05-19-2010, 06:46 PM
:driving:

http://hekimianracing.com/hpengines.html

It's 2010 now. Carb/roots charger engines belongs to the early 1900... :bump:

Mange
05-19-2010, 06:49 PM
Angel, nice to see you're back on again :seeya:

What are you up to now? :)


Your old girl is on this side of the pod now :sifone:


//Mange

MiamiOffshore
05-19-2010, 09:55 PM
Damn,,,i hope it holds 1200 # ..mmmmhhhh :eek:

Be safe..lol

1200 lbs!! how ?? A BBC is about 680lbs with intake and heads

..just in case intake is already off and so is exhaust.:sifone:

MiamiOffshore
05-19-2010, 09:56 PM
Angel, nice to see you're back on again :seeya:

What are you up to now? :)


Your old girl is on this side of the pod now :sifone:


//Mange


Hey Mange,
How are you. Good I hope.

I knew she went over but is she with you or someone else.
Angel

DAREDEVIL
05-19-2010, 10:01 PM
1200 lbs!! how ?? A BBC is about 680lbs with intake and heads

..just in case intake is already off and so is exhaust.:sifone:

I always figure BBC complete incl. tranny and all acc. ~ 1000 # but i never weight one :sifone:!!!!!! LOL

Crash-Box
05-20-2010, 08:15 AM
Hello Crash Box, would u have some Video's of Smoki'n Gun the 28 Manta ( damn manta ) !???????????????

Sorry for the high jack !:eek:


Negative double "D", there is just that one footage on "you-tube".
Anywho, get ahold of Jef at FrezzeFrame He should have
some dvd time on that boat.

Ciao.........

rchevelle71
05-20-2010, 11:42 AM
Looking good Angel,

Just dont stand under it, it should hold, but I wouldnt let it swing there forever. pull it, pull the boat out, and lower the engine to the stand. We did a friends a similar way, he had steel trusses, but it really wasnt all that heavy. let me know when your ready to drop the new one in, and I will come down and help, ripping one out is one thing, but an extra person always helps for installation, alignment etc.

Rick

blackhawk
05-20-2010, 01:26 PM
1200 lbs!! how ?? A BBC is about 680lbs with intake and heads

..just in case intake is already off and so is exhaust.:sifone:

FYI - My 502 fully dressed weighed just under 1200 lbs, right around 1170 if i remember right.

rchevelle71
05-20-2010, 04:39 PM
FYI - My 502 fully dressed weighed just under 1200 lbs, right around 1170 if i remember right.


EFI vs carb, fully dressed vs. stripped. Heck if he had to he could get it down to pretty much a short block before removal, when there is a will, there is a way, some are just a little more dangerous:leaving:

MiamiOffshore
05-20-2010, 04:58 PM
The engine is stripped down pretty well, so it should not be a problem.
Weight of BBC without exhaust, tranny or drive is approx. 685lbs.
http://www.enginefactory.com/chevdimensions.htm

Fully dressed I can see where it could be 1100 lbs or more....plus a 502 is a little heavier from what I've read than a 454.

DAREDEVIL
05-20-2010, 05:33 PM
The engine is stripped down pretty well, so it should not be a problem.
Weight of BBC without exhaust, tranny or drive is approx. 685lbs.
http://www.enginefactory.com/chevdimensions.htm

Fully dressed I can see where it could be 1100 lbs or more....plus a 502 is a little heavier from what I've read than a 454.

Got chya...that explains why i came up with my #...we always lift it out fully dressed + tranny and its a 502 block !!!.....i think it also depends on aluminum or steel heads...thier fkn heavy !!!! lol:ack2:

blackhawk
05-20-2010, 05:59 PM
EFI vs carb, fully dressed vs. stripped. Heck if he had to he could get it down to pretty much a short block before removal, when there is a will, there is a way, some are just a little more dangerous:leaving:

Exactly, I mentioned because I too thought these engines were lighter. I don't want to see anyone get hurt.

We pulled my friends 502 with a strap and a Skytrak. Now that's the way to do it!

MiamiOffshore
05-20-2010, 06:25 PM
There's a reason those outboards are so awesome ... 300xs only weighs 505lbs. and pumps out more than 300hp.

But damn that lumpety lump sound of dry exhaust and a cam is SWEET...

rchevelle71
05-20-2010, 09:02 PM
There's a reason those outboards are so awesome ... 300xs only weighs 505lbs. and pumps out more than 300hp.

But damn that lumpety lump sound of dry exhaust and a cam is SWEET...

I hear ya, I love the lump, and told you the other day the details about the 383 in the old chevelle, heck you almost witnessed me trading my boat for same small block lump a few years back:eek:, but the outboards are a trip, 60 MPH in an old tank with 225 HP, and I can stand up and drink a beer while I wrench on it:cheers2: Cant wait to get the boat solid, so I can start modding the 250:driving:

MiamiOffshore
05-25-2010, 08:08 PM
I hear ya, I love the lump, and told you the other day the details about the 383 in the old chevelle, heck you almost witnessed me trading my boat for same small block lump a few years back:eek:, but the outboards are a trip, 60 MPH in an old tank with 225 HP, and I can stand up and drink a beer while I wrench on it:cheers2: Cant wait to get the boat solid, so I can start modding the 250:driving:

I hear you Rick...outboards ultimately are simpler and the power to weight ratio is great. Well let's see where I end up.....but I pulled the motor out today. :sifone:

DAREDEVIL
05-25-2010, 10:25 PM
I hear you Rick...outboards ultimately are simpler and the power to weight ratio is great. Well let's see where I end up.....but I pulled the motor out today. :sifone:

COOL :cheers2:

get r done

rchevelle71
05-26-2010, 08:08 AM
I hear you Rick...outboards ultimately are simpler and the power to weight ratio is great. Well let's see where I end up.....but I pulled the motor out today. :sifone:

NICE,

are you going to be around this weekend? It is a long weekend, I may get some time to make a trip to Miami and check it out.

Rick

MiamiOffshore
05-26-2010, 01:40 PM
Yea I should be here this weekend, not really planning on doing anything but just in case give me a shout first.

rchevelle71
05-26-2010, 04:59 PM
Yea I should be here this weekend, not really planning on doing anything but just in case give me a shout first.

OK,

We have plans Sunday morning, but other than that its just glasswork, if when I fee I need a break, i'll giva you a call.