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wet_rat
02-03-2010, 05:23 PM
I just took a deposit on my Velocity and will be completing the deal next week. Where are the BT for sale? Have to stay around 100K with twins. I have been in contact with the seller that had the last one on ebay, know about the red/white one at BJ marine and the overpriced 43 with 502's in LOTO. Anything else?

endeavor1
02-03-2010, 07:40 PM
The bank wont budge off of 80 for the red/white one. The 46 at perf boat brokerage is sold. The old 502 flat deck sold. For a 100k, you may be hard pressed right now. The 43 flat with trips at perf boats could be had at a decent price but the motors are up there at 400hrs. I have that 99 trip 500 boat that i would let go for around 130. I have a buddy with a 02 46EC with fresh 575sci and XRs that could e bought for around 135 and its immaculate. There is the 99 502efi 43 tall deck on boattrader for 99k in illinois i believe.

So in conclusion, i keep track of whats out there.... lol

Best of luck my friend and hopefully a welcome to the BT club

Coolerman
02-03-2010, 08:56 PM
The 46 at perf boat brokerage is sold.

Do you know where it went? :sifone: :sifone:

Monopoly 46
02-03-2010, 09:41 PM
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it is listed for 94,000 on double diamond boat brokers.com

endeavor1
02-03-2010, 09:45 PM
Do you know where it went? :sifone: :sifone:

LOL, I know a guy who knows a guy who may have it now.....:sifone:

Coolerman
02-03-2010, 10:29 PM
LOL, I know a guy who knows a guy who may have it now.....:sifone:

don't start spreading rumors like...... well, I guess I won't bring that name up! :willy_nilly::willy_nilly:

Davidmnc
02-03-2010, 10:32 PM
Do you guys know where I can get a jacket? :huh:

Coolerman
02-03-2010, 10:46 PM
Do you guys know where I can get a jacket? :huh:

Burlington Coat Factory!

wet_rat
02-03-2010, 10:55 PM
53732

it is listed for 94,000 on double diamond boat brokers.com

That's the one I was referring to that I thought was overpriced to have 502's and Bravo 1's. Boat was listed at $99K for a long time. Last time I spoke to them the seller wouldn't budge from $99K due to his recent "major engine overhaul". I would think for $95K you could atleast get a CD player vs. a cassette and a set of drives w/o chunks taken out of them.......REALLY??:rolleyes:

BDARCHER
02-04-2010, 12:38 AM
The bank wont budge off of 80 for the red/white one. The 46 at perf boat brokerage is sold. The old 502 flat deck sold. For a 100k, you may be hard pressed right now. The 43 flat with trips at perf boats could be had at a decent price but the motors are up there at 400hrs. I have that 99 trip 500 boat that i would let go for around 130. I have a buddy with a 02 46EC with fresh 575sci and XRs that could e bought for around 135 and its immaculate. There is the 99 502efi 43 tall deck on boattrader for 99k in illinois i believe.

So in conclusion, i keep track of whats out there.... lol

Best of luck my friend and hopefully a welcome to the BT club

Is this the 46 at perf boat your talking about. Priced right

Coolerman
02-04-2010, 12:50 AM
Is this the 46 at perf boat your talking about. Priced right

Hopefully the new owner will post some pics of it when they pick it up! if they are even on the board....... :seeya:

endeavor1
02-04-2010, 04:09 AM
That's the one I was referring to that I thought was overpriced to have 502's and Bravo 1's. Boat was listed at $99K for a long time. Last time I spoke to them the seller wouldn't budge from $99K due to his recent "major engine overhaul". I would think for $95K you could atleast get a CD player vs. a cassette and a set of drives w/o chunks taken out of them.......REALLY??:rolleyes:

I think that thing is way overpriced. Yes it has new motors but hell, anyone can get 502mpi engines easy now. The boat does need some updates and as you said, there are some flaws that need addressed. Look how long its been sitting. Just keep searching man, one will come along. For what its worth, the red/white boat is clean as a pin, hull is fixed and it should be a great boat. Trust me, i tryed to buy it but couldnt get the numbers right. It will be a good machine. Trailer is damn near new.

endeavor1
02-04-2010, 04:10 AM
Is this the 46 at perf boat your talking about. Priced right

Yea Bobby, i am informed that it was sold.

endeavor1
02-04-2010, 07:15 PM
Rat, heres the one i was thinking of but its 129,000. Maybe the seller will come down.
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1999-BLACK-THUNDER-430-SC-96364349

Shouldve got after my 01. I priced it right and it was a great machine. Esp. after the drive problems got fixed by bolting on actual new ones.

wet_rat
02-04-2010, 10:09 PM
[QUOTE=endeavor1;433048]Rat, heres the one i was thinking of but its 129,000. Maybe the seller will come down.
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1999-BLACK-THUNDER-430-SC-96364349
[QUOTE]

Any info on hours or rebuilds or otherwise?

endeavor1
02-05-2010, 12:57 AM
[QUOTE=endeavor1;433048]Rat, heres the one i was thinking of but its 129,000. Maybe the seller will come down.
http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1999-BLACK-THUNDER-430-SC-96364349
[QUOTE]

Any info on hours or rebuilds or otherwise?

Not sure. Dont know the boat, just saw it and knew you were looking. Some will come along some day if you can wait.

mj2562
02-05-2010, 07:50 AM
I just took a deposit on my Velocity and will be completing the deal next week. Where are the BT for sale? Have to stay around 100K with twins. I have been in contact with the seller that had the last one on ebay, know about the red/white one at BJ marine and the overpriced 43 with 502's in LOTO. Anything else?

CONGRATS Eric! Good Luck on the BT find! Your 454 and Rotating Assem. are @ the Machine shop right now and should be done within a couple days :cheers2: I will post some pics of everything when I get it back.. Thanks again W.R. once she a 496 I'm sure she will run good! LOL

wet_rat
02-08-2010, 09:12 AM
CONGRATS Eric! Good Luck on the BT find! Your 454 and Rotating Assem. are @ the Machine shop right now and should be done within a couple days :cheers2: I will post some pics of everything when I get it back.. Thanks again W.R. once she a 496 I'm sure she will run good! LOL

thanks Mike-can't wait to hear your mill:driving:

wet_rat
02-22-2010, 05:15 PM
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it is listed for 94,000 on double diamond boat brokers.com

Got an email from Diamond today to update me that the owner has dropped price to $79,000. Seems a little more acceptable

endeavor1
02-22-2010, 05:43 PM
Got an email from Diamond today to update me that the owner has dropped price to $79,000. Seems a little more acceptable

I would still hold out for a while. See what comes along. JMO though

John P
02-27-2010, 08:13 PM
I might sell mine

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sweet addiction
02-27-2010, 09:43 PM
What are you saying about the banks? I have been told that the bank is almost low balling boat loans. Even lower than NADA or Kelly Blue book. So like this maybe you want a 100k boat and they will only loan 80 so you need the 20k? So do they also require a down payment on the 80k they loan you? That was kind of a question I always had.





The bank wont budge off of 80 for the red/white one. The 46 at perf boat brokerage is sold. The old 502 flat deck sold. For a 100k, you may be hard pressed right now. The 43 flat with trips at perf boats could be had at a decent price but the motors are up there at 400hrs. I have that 99 trip 500 boat that i would let go for around 130. I have a buddy with a 02 46EC with fresh 575sci and XRs that could e bought for around 135 and its immaculate. There is the 99 502efi 43 tall deck on boattrader for 99k in illinois i believe.

So in conclusion, i keep track of whats out there.... lol

Best of luck my friend and hopefully a welcome to the BT club

Ratickle
02-28-2010, 12:23 PM
Do you guys know where I can get a jacket? :huh:

What kind of jacket?

Ratickle
02-28-2010, 12:23 PM
I might sell mine


Not for 100 I bet......

endeavor1
02-28-2010, 04:27 PM
What are you saying about the banks? I have been told that the bank is almost low balling boat loans. Even lower than NADA or Kelly Blue book. So like this maybe you want a 100k boat and they will only loan 80 so you need the 20k? So do they also require a down payment on the 80k they loan you? That was kind of a question I always had.

I dont know what exactly you are inquiring about Jared. What i was saying is the Red 97 at loto that is bank owned, the bank wont come below 80k. As far as banking goes, i have always dealt with the bank that my dads trucking company is with. Just a local place but whenever i need a loan, its just a phone call away, no questions, just go. It makes it nice having that repoir with them and also local people are easier to deal with IMO. Credit unions seem to work well also if they will do boat loans. My buddy in Houston has a 798 credit score he showed me and is getting loan approvals at 10.5-12% for 65k that are 05 and newer boats. I told him the same thing as above. Deal local as they will generally work with you better. Best of luck and go get that 35

endeavor1
02-28-2010, 04:29 PM
[QUOTE=John P;448439]I might sell mine QUOTE]

John, you ready to sell me some of your BMAX supply???? I am wanting a spare or two for my new BT.

sweet addiction
02-28-2010, 06:06 PM
I miss understood. I thought the bank would only loan 80k towards the purchase of it. Stupid me. :sifone: Getting closer on that 35'. Have a guy from Houston that wants to come look. I got her ready to go.



I dont know what exactly you are inquiring about Jared. What i was saying is the Red 97 at loto that is bank owned, the bank wont come below 80k. As far as banking goes, i have always dealt with the bank that my dads trucking company is with. Just a local place but whenever i need a loan, its just a phone call away, no questions, just go. It makes it nice having that repoir with them and also local people are easier to deal with IMO. Credit unions seem to work well also if they will do boat loans. My buddy in Houston has a 798 credit score he showed me and is getting loan approvals at 10.5-12% for 65k that are 05 and newer boats. I told him the same thing as above. Deal local as they will generally work with you better. Best of luck and go get that 35

Coolerman
02-28-2010, 07:16 PM
I might sell mine

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New trailer looks nice! How does it tow in comparison to the last one? You doin' ok after that idiot hit ya?

John P
02-28-2010, 07:24 PM
[QUOTE=John P;448439]I might sell mine QUOTE]

John, you ready to sell me some of your BMAX supply???? I am wanting a spare or two for my new BT.

Chris if I sell my boat you will have first choice, if I don't break one this year I may sell one of my extras. I have my spare set on now and I'm going to take apart the ones that I tricked out and see how they are holding up. They have about 30Hrs that is 20hrs more than they lasted before, so it's time to look inside and see how the gears are holding up. I'm also going to lose the 5 blades this year and that should also help. I also pulled 1 of the engines and went through it to see how things are holding up, just over a 100 hrs and it looked like it was just put together so I'm a very happy camper.

John P
02-28-2010, 07:30 PM
New trailer looks nice! How does it tow in comparison to the last one? You doin' ok after that idiot hit ya?

Thanks, it tows very nice I like the dual set up a lot better than the triple axle for sure. Yes I'm pretty much up to 100% and now just have to finish up with the insurance company.

John P
02-28-2010, 07:36 PM
Not for 100 I bet......

With some kind of trade maybe.

We would like a 36 or 38 this is a lot for the misses and I to move and clean up we put it in 2 to 3 times a week and thats a bunch of cleaning every time.

endeavor1
02-28-2010, 09:07 PM
John, glad to hear everythings holding up and running well. If i had the spare dinero, your boat would be atop my list for sure. Glad to hear the drives are working good for you. Im nervous and havent even drove the new one yet....... lol

Davidmnc
02-28-2010, 09:25 PM
What kind of jacket?

One that may have once been in the same general location of some one who may have been friends with a guy who knows a guy who once met a guy who lived in the same town as an off shore legend.:rolleyes:

Coolerman
03-01-2010, 12:10 AM
One that may have once been in the same general location of some one who may have been friends with a guy who knows a guy who once met a guy who lived in the same town as an off shore legend.:rolleyes:

is it for the penguin? :sifone:

Coolerman
03-01-2010, 12:12 AM
I might sell mine

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I thought you had added intercoolers on your motors? Are those older pics then?

John P
03-01-2010, 08:57 AM
I thought you had added intercoolers on your motors? Are those older pics then?

No intercoolers here.

thlwl
03-01-2010, 11:13 AM
My maiden voyage in my BT was from Miami to Key West for the races with 11 other BT's. Stayed 1 night in Islamorada. Then down to KW the next day. The 11 other BT owners all stayed in hotels as did I, not knowing any better. Then No Compromise runs down the next day and docks next to me. He gets out his elec cable, water hose, TV cable, and hooks up. I talked to him for a while and he never stays in hotels. I now only stay in boat when overnighting. He was the one that triggered me to do so! Nice couple and glad I met them. John P, I guess you bought the boat from them? And it now has BMaxes? He had oil coolers on his Imco drives at that time trying to make them last. Very nice boat. Tommy

John P
03-01-2010, 01:33 PM
Yes we did buy it from David.
I guess that was one of the reasons he sold it was drive issues, I spoke with someone who worked on it and was told 4 to 8 hrs was all they could get out of a drive. When I took them apart they were not even close to being set up correctly. So after some trial and error I have found out a few things to make them last.

endeavor1
03-01-2010, 03:24 PM
John is my personal BMAX God.....

Coolerman
03-01-2010, 03:40 PM
John is my personal BMAX God.....

i just hope our 6's and trannies stay together!..... :ack2::driving::sifone:

endeavor1
03-01-2010, 04:00 PM
i just hope our 6's and trannies stay together!..... :

:cuss: :banghead: :03: :ack2: :icon_bs: :willy_nilly: :huh: :reddevil: :sifone: Dick....LOL

thlwl
03-01-2010, 04:30 PM
I thought the 6's and trannies were pretty indestructible. Had a buddy fry a tranny. Got it fixed. Then he lost a prop shaft bearing when some minor rust formed on the prop shaft and wore out the prop shaft water shield. He always washed this area but minor amounts of salt water penetrated the water shield and you can't wash it out without opening the shield. Probably not near as big a prob in the fresh water, but keep an eye on it. Maybe the #8's will be bullet proof - LOL - NOT!!!! Wonder if anyone has done any Arneson to #6 "big power" comparisons?

Coolerman
03-01-2010, 04:35 PM
:cuss: :banghead: :03: :ack2: :icon_bs: :willy_nilly: :huh: :reddevil: :sifone: Dick....LOL

LOL, I was actually being kinda serious. We've already grenaded 1 #6 and I lost count on the trannies, I wanna say 4 of em?....... We do keep 2 spare trannies though.

Hey Tommy, I'd be curious as to how arnesons would run.....

thlwl
03-01-2010, 05:42 PM
I saw Arnesons this weekend on a tv show on a 78' boat that runs 55 mph. They looked much larger than typical power boat Arnesons. One concern I have is the trim limits. Sometimes I will trim the drives a bit to take larger waves better. I just don't know about the trim / steering limits with Anresons. Heard they have or will have a Bravo direct bolt on conversion. I hear you can throw some power at the Arnesons. Seems to me that the hull really must work well to use Arnesons cause of no skeg and such-just a direct push from the rear. You gettin your trannies done by the guy near Baton Rouge?

Coolerman
03-01-2010, 05:57 PM
I saw Arnesons this weekend on a tv show on a 78' boat that runs 55 mph. They looked much larger than typical power boat Arnesons. One concern I have is the trim limits. Sometimes I will trim the drives a bit to take larger waves better. I just don't know about the trim / steering limits with Anresons. Heard they have or will have a Bravo direct bolt on conversion. I hear you can throw some power at the Arnesons. Seems to me that the hull really must work well to use Arnesons cause of no skeg and such-just a direct push from the rear. You gettin your trannies done by the guy near Baton Rouge?

The bravo to arneson in short is not just a bolt on...... you have to reglass the transom and possibly fill in the notch, move the motors around. It's about the same work as putting on 6's, and 6's will handle more power than the arneson conversion (asd6's and 7's). Also, the bravo conversion from arneson has a deep skeg on it. Not sure about the asd 8-10's...... Those either have skegs or fins on the sides.

Also, we have Bam and Huber trannies. We think we like the bams better because they have a deeper sump, and if the pump looses pressure, the bams recover more quickly.

thlwl
03-01-2010, 06:07 PM
Was just on their website reading about them. The conversion is a direct bolt on according to them for my set up. I don't have the notch. Holes line up with Bravo holes. Trans is in the furnished standoff box. 1 yr warranty with a 750 max torque rating. What hp motor would that be? About 800 hp?

endeavor1
03-01-2010, 07:59 PM
Was just on their website reading about them. The conversion is a direct bolt on according to them for my set up. I don't have the notch. Holes line up with Bravo holes. Trans is in the furnished standoff box. 1 yr warranty with a 750 max torque rating. What hp motor would that be? About 800 hp?

Tommy, post pix of your transom. I know its different than mine but i want to see. I sent Rik pics of my 43's transom and he was thinking i would have to fill in the notch, and possibly lower my engines to get the right height. I did however speak to Bob last week and he indicated that your version of a 46 is better suited to run arnesons and that he thinks they would work well.

Cost, 24-26k each though makes me strongly think that an older wetsump 6 is a cheaper route, and as the Sax has pointed out, there are #6 boat 46 Extended cockpits out and about

thlwl
03-02-2010, 11:04 AM
Transom of 2006 and later BT's.

BDARCHER
03-02-2010, 02:34 PM
Transom of 2006 and later BT's.

tabs look to be mounted high

thlwl
03-02-2010, 03:12 PM
Yep, that was a discussion we all had on OSO. Wayyyy to high. I corrected that somewhat with 380's. Really helped. But yes, that was an error on their part. But the non-notched transom planes really well. I've been in both.

Coolerman
03-02-2010, 04:20 PM
Transom of 2006 and later BT's.

part of the reason why the tabs are mounted that high is because that was all the lower you used to be able to mount them before BT dropped the outside chines. Tommy's boat I think was the first of the new hulls with the dropped outside chines. BT should have dropped the tabs along with that.

Also, the dropped chines will help the boat plane better due to the fact that it helps lift the stern out of the water.

endeavor1
03-02-2010, 05:56 PM
part of the reason why the tabs are mounted that high is because that was all the lower you used to be able to mount them before BT dropped the outside chines. Tommy's boat I think was the first of the new hulls with the dropped outside chines. BT should have dropped the tabs along with that.

Also, the dropped chines will help the boat plane better due to the fact that it helps lift the stern out of the water.

So, The 5 blades on my new one should help lift her ass up and lay the nose down but would partially filling the notch be a worthwhile project? Big difference in the chines between the years!!!!!

thlwl
03-02-2010, 06:44 PM
If you're running big power and speed, the notched transom is gonna feed water to the props very well. The notched transom I was in just didn't maintain a slow speed (in the 20's) speed very well. BT also doubled the steps height in 06 along with transom mods. Gonna have to ask a hull expert on whether filling it in will help. Maybe PM Steve David on OSO. He helped design the 06 hull. As a safety note, always watch those high speed turns with a stepped hull, big power, and big props. The ass end can get away from you!

endeavor1
03-02-2010, 07:08 PM
If you're running big power and speed, the notched transom is gonna feed water to the props very well. The notched transom I was in just didn't maintain a slow speed (in the 20's) speed very well. BT also doubled the steps height in 06 along with transom mods. Gonna have to ask a hull expert on whether filling it in will help. Maybe PM Steve David on OSO. He helped design the 06 hull. As a safety note, always watch those high speed turns with a stepped hull, big power, and big props. The ass end can get away from you!

Ive been in a 98 big step 42 fountain and spun but i can honestly tell you that at wide open throttle, I have gone full lock in my old 43 tall deck and the old girl just dug in and turned like normal. Given, i kept my drives trimmed out and never tucked them in but BTs are very forgiving boats IMO

John P
03-02-2010, 07:18 PM
Chris I have some 5 blade 26p hydromotive props if they will work for you.

Coolerman
03-03-2010, 12:06 AM
If you're running big power and speed, the notched transom is gonna feed water to the props very well. The notched transom I was in just didn't maintain a slow speed (in the 20's) speed very well. BT also doubled the steps height in 06 along with transom mods. Gonna have to ask a hull expert on whether filling it in will help. Maybe PM Steve David on OSO. He helped design the 06 hull. As a safety note, always watch those high speed turns with a stepped hull, big power, and big props. The ass end can get away from you!

Just want to make sure that proper credit is given where due, the chines are what made the BT's maintain a slow speed crawl, and that idea was from us. It acounted for roughly 80% of the fix. I know Steve has had alot of input with props and x-dimension, but I just want to make sure that credit goes where it is due for the implemented hull mods.

The filling in of the notch helps, but dropping the chines essiantially reduces deadrise and make the back part of the boat flatter. Not only does it go faster because of the better angle of attack from more lift from the chines, but it is more stable as well because the back portion of the boat is essiantially flatter. It gives the boat a bigger footprint to sit on.

In the first pic, here is a rendering giving an idea of what the chines of the first generation 46's looked looked like (what Endeavor has). The 2nd pic is the 2nd generation BT's (what John P has), where they had added some strakes just below the chines. The filling/dropping of the chines though was the biggest help and addition to the adding of the strakes. You can see how much material was added and how much lift and stability that will improve.

Coolerman
03-03-2010, 12:14 AM
So, The 5 blades on my new one should help lift her ass up and lay the nose down but would partially filling the notch be a worthwhile project? Big difference in the chines between the years!!!!!

It would be interesting to see what dropping the chines would do on your boat and trying 6 blades with shorties, leaving the notch as is. The 6 blades might be tougher on drives though

thlwl
03-03-2010, 11:03 AM
Damn Jason, you are quick. I didn't even see you come in to my shop and do all that glass work on my hull last night. Next time though, put on some #6's and 1800 hp engines!!!!

Coolerman
03-03-2010, 01:29 PM
Damn Jason, you are quick. I didn't even see you come in to my shop and do all that glass work on my hull last night. Next time though, put on some #6's and 1800 hp engines!!!!

lol, yours would then be the 3rd generation hull! You sure you want 1800's and 6's?..... Both of them would break :driving::sifone::sifone:

Rik
03-03-2010, 07:10 PM
The bravo to arneson in short is not just a bolt on...... you have to reglass the transom and possibly fill in the notch, move the motors around. It's about the same work as putting on 6's, and 6's will handle more power than the arneson conversion (asd6's and 7's). Also, the bravo conversion from arneson has a deep skeg on it. Not sure about the asd 8-10's...... Those either have skegs or fins on the sides.

Also, we have Bam and Huber trannies. We think we like the bams better because they have a deeper sump, and if the pump looses pressure, the bams recover more quickly.

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One should try installing the #6's. Way more work, way more cost as the price of the Arneson's new include a transmission, the #6's used or new do not include these along with the necessary bell housing and drive plate and such that will be needed. One has to move the engines forward about 18" with the Merc #6's also, not the same with the Arnesons. The price will keep escalating with them once you factor in all that you will need. List on the Arneson kit is only 23K.

Our standoff box covers the Bravo cutout so there is no glassing required.

Coolerman
03-03-2010, 10:43 PM
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One should try installing the #6's. Way more work, way more cost as the price of the Arneson's new include a transmission, the #6's used or new do not include these along with the necessary bell housing and drive plate and such that will be needed. One has to move the engines forward about 18" with the Merc #6's also, not the same with the Arnesons. The price will keep escalating with them once you factor in all that you will need. List on the Arneson kit is only 23K.

Our standoff box covers the Bravo cutout so there is no glassing required.

Thanks for clearing up that info. In no way was I trying to "slam" Arneson as I really like your product. Should have put asd8's on our boat and not had to worry about blowing 6's (the #6 follows the principle of how many right angle gears can you cram into a drive? :) )..... Also, is your bravo conversion an asd6 or 7? And what's the big difference between the 6 and the 7? I was under the impression that the 7 just has a longer skeg and the same hp rating?......

Rik
03-04-2010, 05:01 AM
Thanks for clearing up that info. In no way was I trying to "slam" Arneson as I really like your product. Should have put asd8's on our boat and not had to worry about blowing 6's (the #6 follows the principle of how many right angle gears can you cram into a drive? :) )..... Also, is your bravo conversion an asd6 or 7? And what's the big difference between the 6 and the 7? I was under the impression that the 7 just has a longer skeg and the same hp rating?......

Everything is similar between the #6 and the #7M but different ranging from the steering geometry, rudder sizes, power ratings etc.. The #7M replaced the #6 Arneson.

BDARCHER
03-05-2010, 09:34 AM
Are there any BTs with Arnesons? I saw 1 with a pulse drive 4 sale a while back.

Rik
03-05-2010, 08:32 PM
Are there any BTs with Arnesons? I saw 1 with a pulse drive 4 sale a while back.

None that I know of. I've spoken with them several times and nothing ever came of it.

The one that had the Pulse Drives was not so good. Terry Sobo took it in trade at Nortec for a Nortec no less. I am not certain if Terry sold the gentlemen the BT originally when he worked there?

endeavor1
04-10-2013, 11:13 PM
Any other 46's out there for sale that arent listed?