The Re-Birth of a Scout

[J-Bonz]

Well, I havent posted much on my on going project, so here it goes....

Intro:
After graduating school, my fiance got a job offer in Wisconsin. She was originally was working in NYC while I finished of my schooling in Cleveland. We both decided WI would be a good place since she had an offer and there was allot of industry for me to find work. I knew it would be tough leaving my family, Pop's, and the Top Gun. Yes, the cig is not exactly mine. My job was to drive it and keep it running. I did all the work on it except for writing the checks. How lucky was I!! On the weekends I must have looked like the biggest punk kid. That was funny considering on the weekdays I was driving back and forth to school in my rusted out Suzuki Samurai..... Since I payed for my college through co-oping, we thought to name the boat "College Tuition".... :) That never happend.

After moving up to WI and deciding on what Job offer to take, I found a 21" Apache Scout on Ebay.... I fell In love. I always knew I wanted one. Especially one with an outboard. I felt an outboard was best for being up North. No major winterization needed. This meant boating almost all year was an option. It just depended on how crazy one wanted to be. Funny thing, last weekend up here it was a high of 59°F. Yes, I would have went out. Ang agreed and so we bought it site unseen. We were totaly excited. My buddy lived an hour away in Jax, ItsPeanut picked it, made the transaction, and towed it up to Cleveland for me.

[J-Bonz]

--Continued--
Here was the Ebay description....
Vehicle Description
Apache 21’
Classic offshore deep-vee performance hull design and profile, hand built by Apache Powerboats on Powerboat Row in North Miami Beach Florida, a true legend in the industry!
Details
Hull
21’ Apache - hand lay up fiberglass, built in 1991, original gel coat, never bottom painted, always dry stored.
Motor
Mercury Offshore 200 HP - also 1991 w/ approx 218 HRS. 7 reed induction with 20 minutes on recent major service. Stainless Steel ‘thruster‘ prop.
Trailer
Continental double axle, galvanized, new tires and bearings.
Features
• White original gel coat.
• Custom one off factory original Imron graphics.
• Custom flush mount cleats and running lights.
• Custom teal and purple interior upholstery done by Cigarette factory crew.
• Gaffrig performance instruments in custom color anodized bezels.
• Hynautic steering.
• Starboard bases for bucket / bolster seats.
• Sony marine am/fm cassette stereo.
• Dual Batteries (new) with master switch.
• Bilge pump.
• Full hull cover and separate snap in cockpit cover.
• Docking lines and dock bumpers.
• Under deck cuddy with stowage well and forward anchor locker.
• Built-in cooler.
• Professionally detailed hull and interior.
• Serviced and maintained by certified Mercury Racing mechanic.
Well maintained and in excellent condition, a boat of exceptional design and quality construction. Help this incredibly unique piece of offshore powerboat history find a great home.
This boat has been valued at more than $20,000 by its last marine survey!!! Take advantage of this great deal from an extremely motivated seller!
YOU WILL NOT FIND A BOAT LIKE THIS ANYWHERE -- APACHE FOUNDER BOB SACCENTI ESTIMATES THAT FEWER THAN 60 OF THESE SCOUTS WERE MADE IN THE EARLY 1990s, AND EACH WAS COMPLETELY ONE-OF-A-KIND!
This boat is as at home on the lakes as it is in the ocean -- a truly versatile trailer boat!
Good luck and happy bidding! Please contact seller with any questions prior to submitting an offer.

[J-Bonz]

Speaking with the owner before I purchased, He said the boat was Mint!! He just replaced the water pump, carbs rebuilt, and 2 new batteries installed so the new owner was good to go..... I know this is when everybody and myself would say "Should have gotten a Survyer". I agree, I just couldnt justify spending the money on that and a plane ticket down to check it out considering the agreed upon selling price.

Well, I got the boat and this is what I found.......

[J-Bonz]

Ok, So it must be sand & dirt from the storing a dirty Anchor............ NOPE!!

[J-Bonz]

I eat, sleep, drink, read everything to do with boats since I was 5 years old. I even worked at a local marine store and moved my way up from a B.N. to the main mechanics assitent before I went to school for my engineering degree. For my fellow Notherners including myself, This boat was an all you can eat crab legs night for Termites. I HAVE NEVER IN MY LIFE, along with others, EVER HEARD OF THIS.....

[J-Bonz]

FYI, I dont believe the seller is on the forums nor do I care. The only resolution that was made was by me!! Do I fix it or sell it in the condition it is.... I knew I could not sell it. I could not scew anyone over intentionally..... I dont have that in my heart.. No matter of the circumstances. I decided on my only other alternative... FIX IT. Unfortunately my better half did not understand the whole story nor did I want to explain it to her. We enjoyed using the boat 3 times on the river in Milwaukee before I started to slowly strip the boat down.... Yes we wore life jackets the whole time and took it very easy

[J-Bonz]

So it brings me to a good year ago, pondering on my choices.... I called various glass guys to get some estimates......... over the phone... Yes, I am not that much of an idiot but I had to start somewhere. How can anyone give an estimate on replacing all the wood on a boat over the phone, now thats funny. Luckly they were all nice and gave me a guarantied starting price... :) After hearing the quotes I contemplated scuttling it. The prices to fix compared to spent was to close..... But, I knew I couldnt scuttle it!! He**, I would have bought the boat in the condition it was if i got a better price knowingly the work that needed to be done. I love this stuff to much to see any great high perf boat get chopped up and sent to the top of the hill in a dumpster..

(By no means am I looking for a pitty party... This is where I was last year this time and just wanted to give some preface to the story of how I got to where I am.. :) )
So the work began starting to strip the boat....

[J-Bonz]

--Continued--
Its late and I will continue in the AM, Gotta get ready for the trek back to OH for Turkey day....
Jr.

[ChiefApache]

As you already know Jr it will be all worth it when it's done.

Look forward to seeing it at Kelley's! :cheers2:

Happy Thanksgiving to you and Ang.

[JnT]

Talk to a local pest control guy and see if they will treat your hull or sell you some Termidor to kill the termites. Your hull is super thick, cored with plywood if its like mine.
I would assess the damage and remove what wood is damaged and then shoot epoxy into the voids. These hulls are built like a tank to begin with so after the repairs I would not sweat it a bit.
Consult a pro for sure but the little Apaches are way overbuilt for strength.

[baywatch]

Wow, I have never heard of Termites in a boat.

[JFM]

How long after you got it did you find the damage?

[xlr8by]

I am waiting for the update, this is an awesome thread! What kind of speed is the boat running?

[DAREDEVIL]

I eat, sleep, drink, read everything to do with boats since I was 5 years old. I even worked at a local marine store and moved my way up from a B.N. to the main mechanics assitent before I went to school for my engineering degree. For my fellow Notherners including myself, This boat was an all you can eat crab legs night for Termites. I HAVE NEVER IN MY LIFE, along with others, EVER HEARD OF THIS.....

Wooden boats in FL,,,TERMITES,,,very comon !!!!!!!

U know i would of done it all for u by now !!!! ?????:seeya:

[MikeyFIN]

The termites you have are land termites and got in the boat while at storage I´d say.

I´ve lived up with wooden boats all my life, did a 32 footer sailboats deck with my dad back in the day too ( after I split the deck and mast in a storm when a shroud let go)
There´s "termites" (clams) in the water too and especially in the tropics but thats a thing of the past mainly from the wooden sailship years that wood in the ships got eaten up.
With all the varnish and bottom paints if taken care a wooden boat is not a problem like a rotten plank isn´t either.

http://www.susanscott.net/OceanWatch2000/jun05-00.html

[J-Bonz]

Well,
Before I go any Further, I want to thank the following people that have greatly helped me thus far.....

1. The First has to be "GlassDave"!! He has awnsered every Question I had no matter where he was!! He took my call when he was at his marina party, In NYC for SBI, and even when he was driving to Maryland for a race. Without him I would still be reading the WestSystems book.....

2. Second is my buddy "ItsPeanut" who pushed me to work on it any given free time I have! He knew I could do it but also saw how much work it needed / still needs. All I can hear him say is "Dude, Your never going to get it done be next summer.... :)"

3. Third, My pops who never got tired of hearing about it and always wanted updates. He even came up and helped me bond a stringer together. I really have him to thank getting into this mess.... He got me started in the boating stuff when I was young enough to sit on his lap and drive... :)

4. Finally, the most important person is my fiance, Ang!! She is ok with all the hours I put in on it and cant wait to finally get back out on it. She is my Only / Main Glass Girl. She has helped out more than she can understand. She has helped me glass in all the wood so far!!!!

[J-Bonz]

So, With every thing stripped out of the boat except for the dash components, it was time to take out the removable floor over the gas tank....

[J-Bonz]

There was a "cabin" floor that I had to cut out with it. That must have not been put in from Bobby S. It seamed to me to be a Hack job. I was not impressed with that.

[J-Bonz]

Looking through all the pics, one can see all the saw dust and mud trails every were!! I couldnt wait till the day I did not see any of that!!

[J-Bonz]

Funny thing is at this point, I had the boat stored inside in a 10' x 30' Storage unit. At that time I was looking for a shop to rent to rent out. I just knew I could not do what needed to be done by working out of the storage unit with only cordless tools.... :) But, at the time that was the only option I had at the moment. I didnt know anyone up here nor could I find a place since we live out in a rural area. The closest thing I coud find was a shop with electricity only for $550 a month........... I almost had a heart attack!!!

[cigdaze]

Fvckin' Termites. I hate 'em. They're a constant worry down here, but never have I seen a boat attacked like that.

In any event, it's cool piece of history, and I'm sure a great little rocket. Good luck with the resto and we look forward to the progress.

:cool:

[J-Bonz]

That was fall time last year.... In december I towed it up to Little Tommy's buddys place and stored it over the winter till the middle of March. While looking and looking, I placed an add on CL looking for a "Shop". Low and behold, sometime in march I landed a great shop that had a large overhead door, heat, AC, and a compressor for a good Deal, I was back in buisness!! Hears some pics in winter storage...

[J-Bonz]

On ward to the shop...... I towed it there some time in March and slowly started to work in it only on the weekends.... Luckly, when I backed it in there was already a lift I could use to take the engine off. I was happy about that..

[J-Bonz]

Some more of it in the shop...

[J-Bonz]

After a shopping spree at Harbor Frieght and Menards, it was time to start working.. But, I already ran into the perverbial fork in the road. I new the transom definately needed to be replaced. Throught the hole in the transom that the speedo hose went through, I was able to slide a 1' tie wrap all the way in.... :O To replace the transom I needed to either split the top deck from the hull or cut out the inner cockpit liner... As with glass work, form what I learned thus far, there is neither a correct way.... The poison I picked was to cut out the liner.... Here some pics I sent to Glass Dave & DareDevil to get there opinion................. The read line I photo shopped in was where I was going to cut.

[J-Bonz]

After talking with the pros, I decided not to cut on the corner but decided in the middle of the "shelf". To decrease the amount of glass chipping, I used blue painters tape to cover up the glass..... Did it help, may bee. I decided to use a roto zip in the thin areas and a jig saw through the thicker areas. O yeah, I did get the engine off at this point also...

[J-Bonz]

To cut out the liner, I had to deal with the outboard cut / wash well. That was the only part of the boat I didnt like! I never like the looks of them or the functinallity. I could only think of being broke down in some rough water and having waves crash in to close to the cockpit... I got ballsy and decided to cut it out... :)

[J-Bonz]

While it look like it took a few simple cuts to get the liner out, that was not the case!! The liner was glassed in the the stingers on the bottom side. I first used a grinder with a tile saw blade to cut it... That worked good when it was able to fit... For the tighter spotts I used a dremel.... That took forever!! I finally got to a point were I could take it any longer.. From standing in the bilge where I cut the well out, I freeking yanked it loose.. I had enough!! Anger at its best. Never the less, I was able to break it free and get it out all by myself...

[J-Bonz]

Some more....

[J-Bonz]

To Get the liner out I had to cut some of the knees that connected the top of the stringers to the transom wall. That is were I found some carnage on one side! Surprisingly the other side looked good. But, just like alot of things, you never know whats inside till you start cutting.

[J-Bonz]

Here are some great shots of the matting peice I cut from the knee in the center pic

[J-Bonz]

Two more pics. Still cant beleiv I got the liner out by myself... My back was not happy.

[J-Bonz]

---To Be Continued---

[cashbrain]

What a huge job...I would hurt myself. Looking forward to seeing the finished project :cheers2:

[Geronimo36]

J-Bonz, out of curiosity do you mind letting me know what you paid? A PM is fine, no need to post it.

There's a scout at the marina that is in disarray, has a small block and an alpha ss... I'd love to pick it up and refab it!!!

[SKRAMER]

Wow!!!

[JnT]

I didn't realize how far into the project you are. Thanks for posting this.

[glassdave]

Looks good man! . . . so this is what all those calls went to :D

[Offshore Ginger]

---To Be Continued---Lookin good and when are we going to see some more pics ?

[erierunnin]

and i thought Full Fart was a Project, can't wait to see it at the Casino!

[stormrider]

Wow! Am I glad you didn't post this as it happened!!
What a great project, and Ang is a keeper!!!

Looking forward to see it finished.

[J-Bonz]

Everyone, Thanks for all the kind words....

At this point I was still needed to cut more wood or hollow glass out. Next was the area where the batterys & oil tank were fastened down...

[J-Bonz]

I knew I was close to cutting out a stringer so I wanted to support the hull as best as I could. First thing I bought were a set of four jack stands from Harbor Freight. I wanted to use the trailer for support but didnt want the boat to move when I climbed in and out. I use the stands to lift the trailer off the ground. Next, I borrowed 4 pad stands to put in all 4 corners of the boat..

[J-Bonz]

Here's some more of the inside... You can see the remenents of the mud trails from the mighty mites.............

[J-Bonz]

My next steps were to continue cutting out the cabin floor in the front. That needed to get out before I started to tackle a stringer....

[J-Bonz]

At this point the gas tank was next.. What the heck do you do with ~20 gallons of gas??? I bought 3 five gallon cans and started sifoning the gas out.. Thank god for the neighbor next door! He had a friend living with him that was layed off from work and was more than happy to put all the gas I could give him in his rusted out S-10!! What a win / win situation... After digging all the foam out as best as I could, it was time to pull the tank out... I thought the floor/liner was heavy... The tank was more :O !! But, I am proud to say I got it out!!

[DAREDEVIL]

Your stringers and fueltank are in better shape then peanuts boat was .

[J-Bonz]

some more....................

[J-Bonz]

Your stringers and fueltank are in better shape then peanuts boat was .

They did from the outside....................... :)

[DAREDEVIL]

If u cut them out, make sure to suport the hull.
The trailer bunks will not do so !!!:eek:

[J-Bonz]

Next I started on the transom.... That took a long time to start & complete.. Really didnt want to fudge it up.. The transom was complete Mulch, I could have spreed it out on the flower beds.... It was the right time of year to do that... :)

[J-Bonz]

Some more..

[J-Bonz]

The Mulcher... The best tools I found for this was the grind, flat chisel, and a hammer..

[DAREDEVIL]

Damn, Jack your going at it....your hired !!!! HAHAHA:sifone:

[J-Bonz]

some more....

[J-Bonz]

Damn, Jack your going at it....your hired !!!! HAHAHA:sifone:

Nice..... It took me a long time to get that far Scotty. I finished that some time in June. Being some what of a perfectionist, alot of things take time..

The picks in the prior posts one can see the voids the termites made.. Here are the 2 remaining pics from that weekend. Thares me old Transom....

[DAREDEVIL]

before u get ready to button in the new stringer pieces in the back at the transom,,,cut it in a 45* angle, not 90* . just a little tip.

[J-Bonz]

---2 - B - Continued---

[ItsPeanut]

Im proud of you Bones. Looks like it might be ready before the third annual. Now get of the computer and get your azz back out to the middle of that cornfield you live in and get back to work.

[Buoy]

Wow!! Big project for a small boat. I think I'm going into my third year on my 24 Pantera, and not as extensive as yours project.
It's looking good, and glad your going about it the right way.
Sometimes these smaller boats like ours don't get the respect I think they deserve.
It gets harder to get things done as they become more expensive. Trust me.
Tearing stuff apart is cheap.
It's when you go to start putting it back together that it gets expensive.
I look forward to following your project.

[Woody]

Awesome thread and it looks like you're doing a great job. Thanks for sharing.
It will all be worth it when you splash it:driving:

[fund razor]

At this point the gas tank was next.. What the heck do you do with ~20 gallons of gas???

I had to get rid of 60 when I cut my tank out this summer. I opened a free gas station for about an hour. I think that Phragle may have gotten in on it. :D
Great pics. Thanks for sharing. Keep up the great work.

[J-Bonz]

And the work progressed. These pictures were taken around May 17th. I bought the most expensive resperator I could find at the store and started to grind.... What a nasty job.... That is one thing I dont enjoy! I couldnt beleive how white the shop got. Dust every were!! I found the best thing to use for this was a grinder with a 36 grit "Abrassive Nutted Flap Disc"

[J-Bonz]

I found out, Dont use the 3M sandblaster flap disc with out using the quick change piece. I had it break apart on me. Thank the lord I was in the right place at the right time. Remenants of it is still stuck in the ceiling of the shop.....

[J-Bonz]

Holy Dust!!

[phragle]

When I did mine, I had an old craftsman 2 speed electric grinder, looked like an impact gun as opposed to a buffer. Put 30 grit on it, low speed, you could put all your weight on it and itwould brown all the lights in the neighborhood but i would just keep digging. Finally gave up on me..it had to have been 35+ years old. If anyone knows where I can get another one or a new set of gears, I would be foever gratefull!

[phragle]

get some flexible extension tubing for the shopvac, and tape it to you arm just up from your wrist.

[J-Bonz]

At this point I started to work on getting the Transom boards bonded toghether. After talking to Dave he suggested bonding them outside of the boat. I went with 3 layers of 1/2" marine ply with biax 1300 to connect them together. As Dave would say, It will be a "Bomber" set up :) ! At the same time Ang and I worked on the removable floor. That was eat'n up pretty good. Knowing that it wasnt structually, I followed the West systems book and created a grid patern on the backside and filled with thickend epoxies. I think it came out good.

[J-Bonz]

Floors done and the transom is bonded together..

[J-Bonz]

Fast foward. Its the begining of August and it was time to glass in the transom. Like I said. I was only working on it on the weekends. I missed some weekends traveling back to Ohio to go out on the gun & hangind at the Casino,

[J-Bonz]

.....................

[J-Bonz]

checking out the chain of lakes,

[J-Bonz]

Michigan City SBI,

[phragle]

J- your standing awfully close to Stecz in that picture... are you really sure you want people seeing you that close????

[J-Bonz]

and just enjoying the summer since I knew the boat wouldnt be done for summer 09'

[J-Bonz]

J- your standing awfully close to Stecz in that picture... are you really sure you want people seeing you that close????

Funny thing, I kept asking him where the kool aid and sheep were.... His response was, "All I have is this 20oz of Diet pepsi and I dont know what you mean by sheep." Too funny :)

[J-Bonz]

ok, back to work... I bonded the transom in and filled in the gaps. I thought it would stick and hold good. I came back the next day to see it spouged out.. That created more work! So I ground down what didnt need to be there and added more..

[J-Bonz]

Ang wetted it out and we applied 3 layers of 1700 biax plus tabbing.

[phragle]

Funny thing, I kept asking him where the kool aid and sheep were.... His response was, "All I have is this 20oz of Diet pepsi and I dont know what you mean by sheep." Too funny :)


The funny thing is that the Pepsi he is holding isn't diet... that could explain why he looks 7 1/2 months pregnant.....

[J-Bonz]

That was a big task completed. I was happy to have that behind me but, still knew there was alot of work ahead of me.... Before I cut out the stringes, I made some jigs to help keep them in place while glassing them in. I thought I would use my 2 levels to make sure they were straight and vertical and use door shims with the keep them in place. O yeah, I spent almost a whole Sunday making my pattern of the stringer to replace. Talk about art and craft fair. Fyi, I lucked out and found posterboard on sale at walgreens.... 5 cents a sheet... I cleaned them out :) To connect all the pieces together I used a hot glue gun and strips of cardboard to increase the rigidity of them.

[J-Bonz]

After completing that task I started to utilize after work hours on the weekdays. The first stringer was cut out. Yes I did find more damage from the mites. At this point I didnt care to take to many pics of the distruction. I was over it and was moving on! I started to think more of the fun times to come...

[J-Bonz]

All the voids in the wood was from the mites......

[J-Bonz]

Now to the month of September.... The stringer was cut out and alot of grinding needed to be done to make way for the new stringer. Talk about alot of dust!! I found the grinder with the flap disk to do the job the best. I didnt take pics of making the stinger but I bonded together 1/2" thick marine plywood. To get the length and keep the strenght I staggered the joints. To bond together I used the 1300 biax that Dave suggested. Oh yea, I never said but, I did go the epoxy route. I sourced it from US Composites..

[J-Bonz]

I thought fitting in the stinger would be a breeze. Boy, was I mistaken. This took about a week using after work hours. For this stringer I only used a belt sander. I quickly wisened up after that and bought a planer. That did save alot of time. But remeber, once the wood is taken away, there is no way of adding it back.... "Measure once and cut twice.... or something like that" :)

[J-Bonz]

a few more.....

[J-Bonz]

---- 2 Be Continued ----

I also cant forget to thank one of my best friend Larzs.... If there is anything in life he taught me is, You can do anything if you put your mind to it!! Thanks bro!!

[OldSchool]

Man Bonz, I feel for you. That's an azzload of work that your doing....but think of the satisfaction when you're done. You should be proud!!!!
Talk about "making it your own"...WOW!!!

Cheers to you!
Craig

[old377guy]

WOW, a truly amazing thread - good job

[J-Bonz]

Thanks for the kind words guys. I will start posting again on the project this weekend. I have to give a shout out to my bud ItsPeanut. He helped out tremendously a few weeks back. In fact, for my birthday present we along with Ang got the outer two stringers installed. Now thats progress!!! Now that the holiday break is over and I am back in WI, the work starts up again..... :)

[ItsPeanut]

Jack, get some of this pics posted. Somehow i deleted them all out of my phone.

[J-Bonz]

Alright Nut, pack to posting some pics... From where I left off above. The stringer was fitted and ready to be glassed in. Unfortunately I left the camera at home a few weekends and did not take any pics. Ang and I got it glassed and and I made a template for the starboard stringer. I cut the boards out and my Pops came up to help bond them together. We had a good time! He was happy to see the progress in person.

[J-Bonz]

With the stinger bonded together, It was time to cut out the existing one. At this time I also cut out the two bulkheads that hold the gas tank in. Once cut out, It was back to the joys of grinding... :)

[J-Bonz]

I finally got the grinding done and was happy to know I was closer to having the 2 out 4 stringers replaced...

[J-Bonz]

After the inside was all ground down. The next following week I spent fitting the stringer in. I was happy I broke down and purchased a planer. That definately speeded up the process. Once fitted, Ang came out to help bond the stinger in. The next day while the filler was still tacky we glassed it in..

[J-Bonz]

To keep the stinger in placed I made some braces. To keep the stinger level and the braces tight, I used wood door shims from the local Menards.

[J-Bonz]

FYI, Working with the bonding filler I used the West Systems sticks and many of the techniques presented in there books.. I found the braces to work good. It just made it interesting getting out from under the deck. I felt like Twister, Left hand on yellow......

[J-Bonz]

The next day we got back and put 3 layers of 1700 biax in. Not to many pics, didnt have time...

[J-Bonz]

After the stringer was installed it was time to replace the bulkheads that hold the gas tank in. Since the inside was prepped already, all I had to do was cut, fit, bond, and glass them in. Again, I left the camera at home for a good amount of the following work. I used the same processes as I did with the stringers. Once installed I decided to tackle the last two stringers at the same time. Winter was coming and I wanted to speed it up. I made a template of one of the stringers and used it to cut all the peices. I bonded them up using to layers of 1/2" ply. In between them, just like the transom, I used one layer of1300 biax and made sure to stagger the joints. I did all the bonding while the shop was clean still from installing the stringers & bulkheads. Once bonded, I then cut out the old and prepared for the new. That brings me to the pics below...

[Biggus]

Man what a project! Nice work J-Bonz, you are fortunate to have good friends who are willing to help! :cheers2:

Thanks for the thread, great reading on a O degree morning!

Kurt

[Ratickle]

What an incredible job. And an incredible amount of work. You'll never be able to part with that boat......

Love the thread.....

[Sean Stinson]

Nice work dude....

[JFM]

Keep up the good work

[Roger 1]

Man what a project! Nice work J-Bonz, you are fortunate to have good friends who are willing to help! :cheers2:

Thanks for the thread, great reading on a O degree morning!

Kurt

X2........except it was -11 here.:(

[J-Bonz]

Yeah, It has been a fun project so far.. Alot of work but, still fun.... I will say I did gain alot of respect for guys that do glass work full time!! I just found some of the pictures of the bulkheads going in and thought I would post. The clamps worked great at holding them in place. I used cut up plasitc bags from the store to keep them from direct contact with the thickened epoxy. That worked good! The plastic peeled right off after it was set up...

[J-Bonz]

Got the bulk heads bonded in on a saturday and came back the next day to glass them in...

[J-Bonz]

Here some pics of the two outer stringers cut out. I am glad I decided to replace them. They were also pretty well chewed up. It was great to see more new wood bonded in than old... :)

[J-Bonz]

Next, I will post some pics of the great stringer install with Ang and my buddy Pat.. That should then bring the project up to date. I didnt realize how much time it would take. I also didnt realize how much time I put in on the weekdays at work. That only leaves about 2 hours to work at the shop. Until then, I have to give a shot out to Cash..... :)

[Nykamp]

Looking Good man, hope all is well.

[ItsPeanut]

Bonz. Cash is ****ed. His first picture for the world to see and you called him Turbo.

[Wild]

great thread, good job, way to stick with it and save a legend

good work

[J-Bonz]

Looking Good man, hope all is well.

All is good here other than alot of work..... My Pops and I still talk about how much fun we had hangin out back in Sandusky. I hope all is well with you and hope you get that boat out soon. Have you talked to Tommy lately?
Jr.

[J-Bonz]

great thread, good job, way to stick with it and save a legend

good work

Thanks Wild!!

[J-Bonz]

Jack, get some of this pics posted. Somehow i deleted them all out of my phone.

Well, Its funny how this boat stuff goes..... I may be young but, I have learned little through the years... Some of the best boating times/stories dont revolve around whether you have the latest & greatest 100 foot cigarette that has more colors on it than a rainbow and can go 200mph.... Its about the genuine people you meet along the way!! While my buddie Patryk, aka ItsPeanut, has not been raised on boating like myself, He has trully been bitten by the bug and its in his blood. He is one of my best friends and I appreciate the freindship. This brings the project progress up to about Dec 10th when I get a phone call saying, "Hey, I am coming up to work on the boat! We are not partying when I come up a**hole! Lets get some stuff done!!" The dude leaves FLA in December to work on a boat in snowy cold Wisconsin..... Got a love it!! Well, I picked him up Thursday night at the airport and we started working Friday morning bonding in the last 2 stringers...

[J-Bonz]

Time to put down the beer and put a few stringers in..... :) One getting bonded in and the heat's blarring........ Gotta keep it warm!

[J-Bonz]

Once the stingers were intalled we used the "West Systems" sticks to create fillets between the stringer and the hull..

[J-Bonz]

Thanks to our Poparratzi, Ang, for taking the pics...

[J-Bonz]

Stringers were in and off to the Farmington Inn we went for some wine & spirits, oh, and food. Oh yeah, it was past midnight so I got one birthday gift. Got a love the shirt!!

[J-Bonz]

Although hungover, we woke up and headed back to the shop to glass them in... Like the rest of the process, 3 layers of 1700 biax... Epoxy from US Composites..

[J-Bonz]

Starboard stinger done quick... Thanks to Ang wetting out the wrong layer at the wrong time..... :) On to the Port

[J-Bonz]

Time to roll................

[J-Bonz]

All stringers in and bulkheads to go..... THANKS NUT!!!!!

[ItsPeanut]

Its almost their. Get those bulkheads ready and ill get back up too help finish it up. I wanna see some pictures of it at the casino.

[JFM]

That is a good friend. :cheers2:

[Roger 1]

This is one of the best threads ever!

Roger

[C M R]

Great thread JR! Glad to see your posting the progress. It's almost there! :cheers2:

[ItsPeanut]

You better stay away from the samuri and keep you azz on that boat.

[MrCig]

Looking good Jack. Can't wait to see it this summer.

Bring it to Michigan City for the Races this year

Mark

[J-Bonz]

Looking good Jack. Can't wait to see it this summer.

Bring it to Michigan City for the Races this year

Mark

Thats what I am hoping to do Mark! Are you reserving docks? Can I slip in between?
Jr.

[J-Bonz]

Well, I have been still working on the boat... I have to thank ItsPeanut for Grinding out the mid ship bulk heads on his last day in WI before heading back to FLA... That gave me a good head start on the front bulkheads.. That was before the holidays. Sometime in January, My pops and good bro brought up my next project. As peanut said above, its been hands off on that till the apache is done....

[38fountainSC]

You got get it done for the wiener run. Looks good though.

[J-Bonz]

You got get it done for the wiener run. Looks good though.

I hear ya on that... I would love to be running in that!!

Well back to the project, Some point In Jan. I got the front bulk heads out...

[J-Bonz]

A few more pics of my next projec.....
Next it was back to arts & craft.... I made all the templetes for the front bulkheads.. Ang came out but was painting sea shells... Thats another project all in its own...

[insanity]

Cool. Coming right along. Do you have any idea how thick the coring in the hull sides is?

[J-Bonz]

Still making templates... Ang took some action shots............. :)

[J-Bonz]

Time to cut some wood and get them fitted............. Also started to cut some glass...

[J-Bonz]

Well, at this point it was a saturday and it was time to bond them in.. We didnt get out of there until 2:30 am... We did get some help from my buddy Larry that lives next door. He's a great guy and has given me help whenever I needed a third hand...

[J-Bonz]

Still bonding...... Oh what joy that was.. Befer we laid the glass the next day, Ang left here mark.... :)

[J-Bonz]

With a little amount of sleep and a fresh day in front of us we started glass. Ang was rocking on wetting out. She had everything ready when I needed it. Even with all here help, we didnt get out of there until Midnight on a Sunday.... Lets just say work on Monday was a blast!!

[J-Bonz]

The following week Ang had to take a break... I think she had enough fun glassing so I was all on my own for the remaining 4 pieces I had cut and ready to install... This is pretty much how it sits now. I have started to cut the rear bulkheads out that connect to the hull. I also spent alot of time prepping the cockpit to be re installed in the boat. I just need to figure out how I will fill in the old outboard well........... Glass Dave........... Your phones ringing.............. :)

[J-Bonz]

Cool. Coming right along. Do you have any idea how thick the coring in the hull sides is?

No, I didt make a mistake when drilling and cutting yet...... :)

[insanity]

No, I didt make a mistake when drilling and cutting yet...... :)

I only ask because I'm doing about the same thing to my Baja, and I was going to add some ribs and bulkheads but not sure if I should double up the coring in the sides to help distribute the load over a wider area from the bulkhead hard point. Measuring where my bilge pump fitting was I have 3/8" sides and the bottom is 5/8".


And if you are still glassing/grinding a good place to buy cheap suits is Magid glove www.magidglove.com. I've tried a couple different ones and the CVZ3's are a pretty good as far as durability and price. I usually get them 25 at a time and order XXXL's so they don't rip out when I'm contorted all over the place and I can tuck the legs into my shoes to keep my ankles itch-free.

[ItsPeanut]

Looking great. Lookin like third annual will be the best yet. I still hope your not staring at the sammy.

[TexomaPowerboater]

Sweet retoration. Thanks for posting all this.

[jaysflatdeck]

Look's good J-Bonz nice to see that ur wife dosen't mind to get her hands dirty

[J-Bonz]

Look's good J-Bonz nice to see that ur wife dosen't mind to get her hands dirty

She definately is a Huge Help!! Just got the tank foamed in this weekend.... Hows your project going??
Jr.

[jaysflatdeck]

She definately is a Huge Help!! Just got the tank foamed in this weekend.... Hows your project going??
Jr.

I just went out to have a look at it 2day all the cockpit is painted they hope to paint the deck tomorrow I'm going to post some pics up as soon as they have some paint on the deck

[DAREDEVIL]

J, looks great...i tought since Santa helps u, in his off time u would be on the water by now ?????? LOL

[ItsPeanut]

Looking good Jack. When we mating the two together.

[J-Bonz]

J, looks great...i tought since Santa helps u, in his off time u would be on the water by now ?????? LOL

One would think but, remember, Santa only works one night out of the year. The other days he just Party's............. :eek: :cheers2:

[J-Bonz]

Looking good Jack. When we mating the two together.

Hopefully soon. Just plugged the speaker holes and 2 others in the cockpit. Going to start working on filling the back next.. I will post some pics when slow down pace up here to the velocity of the earths travel........... :willy_nilly:

[modvp]

Any updates?

[J-Bonz]

Any updates?

Cockpit is about ready to go in.... I had to take a break and help out in Ang's and I's wedding plans... Hope to be back on it in July..... Thanks for asking!!

[ItsPeanut]

Dont people usually boat in july? Just bustin ballz Bonz. Good luck this weekend.

[J-Bonz]

Dont people usually boat in july? Just bustin ballz Bonz. Good luck this weekend.

Yup, Its just the way it goes sometimes.... C-ya this weekend... Thanks for the support..............:cheers2:

[modvp]

Good luck/congrats on your wedding. You're thread has been very informative.

[JFM]

Look's good J-Bonz nice to see that ur wife dosen't mind to get her hands dirty

That is so she knows all about the boat when she is selling it to pay for the wedding. Just kidding, looking good keep up the good work.

[ItsPeanut]

Alright. Weddings over. Hope you had a good time on the honeymoon. I had a blast at the wedding but its time to get back in that garage Bonz. You will have 6 weeks to make the third annual. Lets do this.

[J-Bonz]

Alright. Weddings over. Hope you had a good time on the honeymoon. I had a blast at the wedding but its time to get back in that garage Bonz. You will have 6 weeks to make the third annual. Lets do this.

Hmmmm, Just may show up on a Stinger................:eek:

[ItsPeanut]

You gonna show up with the Boy from san francisco. You ride with anyone, you ride with me.

[cashflow998]

hey are u interested in selling this boat ive been looking for one for sopme time now email me back at lilcash51@hotmail.com or if u know someone that has one they are looking to sell

[J-Bonz]

Skramer found its twin... Not a bad price

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1996-21-FOOT-APACHE_W0QQitemZ110580116916QQcategoryZ63686QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m 444QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DCRX%26its%3DC%252BS%26itu%3DSI%252BUA%252BLM%252BLA%2 6otn%3D1%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D5982341147173884207

[ItsPeanut]

Just rerread the whole thread again. I love it. Lets get some updates jack

[quicklt1]

WOW...thats alot of work..think i would have went the insure it and sink it route...

[J-Bonz]

WOW...thats alot of work..think i would have went the insure it and sink it route...

Some days I wish I would have..........:cheers2:
but, I will post some new pics in a few days...
Jr.

[J-Bonz]

Just rerread the whole thread again. I love it. Lets get some updates jack

Your help was huge this past winter... Wish you closer... It probably would be done.........:beatdeadhorse5:

[erierunnin]

So....................................:seeya:

[J-Bonz]

Just got back from the shop.. Finally got back on it... Will start posting when I get some more time!! How you B ErieRunnin?

[erierunnin]

Just got back from the shop.. Finally got back on it... Will start posting when I get some more time!! How you B ErieRunnin?

bout to head out shortly to the island, can't wait to try this costume out!

[J-Bonz]

bout to head out shortly to the island, can't wait to try this costume out!
Post some pics Bro!

[233lsthunder]

This thread is why I joined this forum. J-B talk about determination

[J-Bonz]

This thread is why I joined this forum. J-B talk about determination

Thanks 23, I have to find some time to get back to posting.. Its been a while.. Need to give some updates.....
Jr.