Apache logo

[TCEd]

Anyone know why or how the boat company was named APACHE ? Did someone have a interest in indian or Apache indian history ?

ed

[Perlmudder]

cus it sounds cooler then ojibway?

[DAREDEVIL]

Because the apache warrior was a single man on a roll and always stood his ground !!!!!!

Same as the boat !!!!!:sifone:

[cashbrain]

It was an oar company

[TCEd]

OK, so the comedians got their try.
ed

[DAREDEVIL]

OK, so the comedians got their try.
ed

Mine was not a try,,,its the thruth !!!!!!!!!!!!!!:USA:

[TCEd]

That's it, nothing more ? I'm not trying to stir things up but just thought there was some history behind the name.

ed

[DAREDEVIL]

That's it, nothing more ? I'm not trying to stir things up but just thought there was some history behind the name.

ed

ALL GOOD BUDDY !!!!!!:sifone:

But thats where the idea of the name came from !!!!!!

THE LONSOM WARRIOR ?! :)

[Geronimo36]

I never asked Bobby but I would assume it's because Apache's were the most fierce warriors... Bobby Also designed the Apache nickel head, it was a modified Indian Head Nickel. Jack Kramer helped Bobby get the original trademark for it....

What's interesting is the Apache indians were screwed by the US government....they may have the same feelings for the boat company... :(

[Geronimo36]

Folks, I talked to bobby, I had some of my info wrong on the nickle. It was actually the $5 indian head coin that Bobby used for the Apache logo. Gail also did the lettering on the logo.

Also confirmed why Apache was the name.... My guess was correct for the most part but there's a lot more to it and it goes back to the Kilpatrick days when Bobby built the Squadron named Apache. All of this was before Kramer.

[Chris]

The guy in the Apache logo is actually Bobby. He's from the Awopaho tribe of Brooklyn.

[Davidmnc]

The guy in the Apache logo is actually Bobby. He's from the Awopaho tribe of Brooklyn.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Geronimo36]

The guy in the Apache logo is actually Bobby. He's from the Awopaho tribe of Brooklyn.

Nice, he'll like that one! :rofl:

[J-Bonz]

Folks, I talked to bobby, I had some of my info wrong on the nickle. It was actually the $5 indian head coin that Bobby used for the Apache logo. Gail also did the lettering on the logo.

Also confirmed why Apache was the name.... My guess was correct for the most part but there's a lot more to it and it goes back to the Kilpatrick days when Bobby built the Squadron named Apache. All of this was before Kramer.

or McManus................. :) Good investigative skills Geronimo!!

[Chris]

Nice, he'll like that one! :rofl:

It's his joke.

[boatme]

It's his joke.

Yes it is

I have heard it 100 times from him

[cashbrain]

Folks, I talked to bobby, I had some of my info wrong on the nickle. It was actually the $5 indian head coin that Bobby used for the Apache logo. Gail also did the lettering on the logo.

Also confirmed why Apache was the name.... My guess was correct for the most part but there's a lot more to it and it goes back to the Kilpatrick days when Bobby built the Squadron named Apache. All of this was before Kramer.

The original question was where did the name of the company come from...
The answer..and oar company. Reuben was Bobby's trademark,El Indio was Benny's

[Geronimo36]

or McManus................. :) Good investigative skills Geronimo!!

Thanks!

Funny part is I was told it was the $5 coin by Bob once before and had a mometary brain fart the other day when I wrote it.... The logo was sometimes referred to as the "Nickel" so I think that's what confused me. Oh well, we all make mistakes...:seeya:

[Geronimo36]

Anyone know why or how the boat company was named APACHE ? Did someone have a interest in indian or Apache indian history ?

ed


The original question was where did the name of the company come from...
The answer..and oar company. Reuben was Bobby's trademark,El Indio was Benny's

The question was "why" or "how" the way I read it, no?

I covered the why and how, you covered the where I guess..:USA:

[imco offshore]

Folks, I talked to bobby, I had some of my info wrong on the nickle. It was actually the $5 indian head coin that Bobby used for the Apache logo. Gail also did the lettering on the logo.

Also confirmed why Apache was the name.... My guess was correct for the most part but there's a lot more to it and it goes back to the Kilpatrick days when Bobby built the Squadron named Apache. All of this was before Kramer.

thanks for the answer,,, at least the answer wasn,t,,, some guy standing alone in a field ,,looking at the ground..lololo one thing about the internet if you dont know the real answer, you can make some sh1t up,,that guy amazies me,?:USA:

[Geronimo36]

thanks for the answer,,, at least the answer wasn,t,,, some guy standing alone in a field ,,looking at the ground..lololo one thing about the internet if you dont know the real answer, you can make some sh1t up,,that guy amazies me,?:USA:

Yeah, it's amazing how there's "no room for truth on the internet."


The original question was where did the name of the company come from...
The answer..and oar company.

Jack, Your information is incorrect......

When Bobby was building the Squadron for Kilpatrick they needed to name the boat. Kilpatrick was half Irish, half Indian and was also a prized fighter. Bobby came up with two names; "Apache" and "Raging Bull"... Apache was choosen because Bobby thought the Apaches (Geronimo) were fierce fighters and a few other reasons. So they settled on Apache and went racing...

Shortly afterwards Bobby started Apache, taking his idea from the Kilpatrick Squadron...:seeya:

Then Bobby came up with the "nickel" logo. He had the $5 coin in his desk and thought it would be a cool design for a boat company so he modified the coin, Gail Paik did the lettering etc. Matter of fact, the first "Nickels" said Apache Boats. Only a few of those logo's were ever made. Apache Powerboats in the logo was later....

Then Jack Kramer worked with Bobby to get it trademarked. When they submitted the logo to the TM Office it was rejected at first because they found out there was a wooden oar company that was using a similarly designed logo. Bobby's design was similar to the oar company but it was not taken from it.

A letter was sent to oar company asking if they could have permission to use Bobby's logo for the company. The oar company said; "We make wooden oars not powerboats so go ahead!"

The TM was approved and the rest is history.:driving:

Hopefully I captured all the details. Bobby tells the story much better than I can, obvisouly because he was there and did it!!! :USA:

[thedonz]

any pic of Kilpatrick Squadron ?

Mike

[Geronimo36]

Here's one!

[thedonz]

So this one was first then blue Warpath ? correct.....was it a 41 or a 38 squadron/cig

Mike

[Geronimo36]

So this one was first then blue Warpath ? correct.....was it a 41 or a 38 squadron/cig

Mike

Depends how you're looking at it but it was "named" Apache but it wasn't an Apache, Warpath was the first "41'" Apache. :willy_nilly:

Squadron was 39'.

[thedonz]

thanks..that's what i thought

Mike

[cashbrain]

[QUOTE=Geronimo36;358939]Yeah, it's amazing how there's "no room for truth on the internet."



Jack, Your information is incorrect......



A letter was sent to oar company asking if they could have permission to use Bobby's logo for the company. The oar company said; "We make wooden oars not powerboats so go ahead!"

Like I said...and Oar company..I have those docs too...

[Thunderman]

Okay let me see if I got this straight. Bobby S. thought it would be cool to use the logo of an oar and wooden nickel company for his boats. He asked Jack kramer for permission, and gave all the documents to Cashbrain. End of story.

[Chris]

A couple more of the Squadron.

Bobby and Jerry below.

[cashbrain]

Okay let me see if I got this straight. Bobby S. thought it would be cool to use the logo of an oar and wooden nickel company for his boats. He asked Jack kramer for permission, and gave all the documents to Cashbrain. End of story.

LOL....NAW. I had alot of the docs when Bobby signed the rights over to me..

[cashbrain]

A couple more of the Squadron.

Bobby and Jerry below.

Last I heard,Jerry was selling cars in South Florida

[Geronimo36]

Like I said...and Oar company..I have those docs too...[/COLOR]
Again Jack, you're wrong.... The NAME or the LOGO didn't come from an Oar company. Please don't twist what I wrote.... Read the fine print... 1. Bobby comes up with Name. 2.Bobby designs logo. 3. Logo was rejected when they went for the patent because it's "similar". 4. Oar company say's it's ok for him to use his logo not theirs....

The logo didn't come from the Oar Company as you say..... Documents you have should show a release from the oar company but they didn't "get" logo or the name from the oar company. :seeya:


Okay let me see if I got this straight. Bobby S. thought it would be cool to use the logo of an oar and wooden nickel company for his boats. He asked Jack kramer for permission, and gave all the documents to Cashbrain. End of story.

Classic! :rofl::rofl:

[cashbrain]

Word Mark APACHE
Goods and Services IC 012. US 019. G & S: Boats. FIRST USE: 19600211. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19600323
Mark Drawing Code (5) WORDS, LETTERS, AND/OR NUMBERS IN STYLIZED FORM
Serial Number 72094271
Filing Date April 4, 1960
Current Filing Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1A
Registration Number 0706228
Registration Date October 25, 1960
Owner (REGISTRANT) Delhi Manufacturing Corp. CORPORATION LOUISIANA ILLINOIS AVE. Delhi LOUISIANA
(LAST LISTED OWNER) MARK MCMANUS, INC. CORPORATION BY ASSIGNMENT, BY ASSIGNMENT, BY ASSIGNMENT FLORIDA 15821 CHIEF COURT FORT MEYERS FLORIDA 33912

Assignment Recorded ASSIGNMENT RECORDED
Attorney of Record ALAN E.J. BRANIGAN
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Affidavit Text SECT 15. SECT 8 (6-YR). SECTION 8(10-YR) 20010605.
Renewal 2ND RENEWAL 20010605
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE

[Geronimo36]

So now we're talking about Word marks???

I'll said it for the last time, if you don't believe me then I suggest calling Bobby directly. Bobby didn't come up with the name from anywhere else other than Bobby coming up with the idea because Kilpatrick was half Irish, half indian and a prized fighter..... Bobby designed his logo from an idea he got from the $5 coin..

What part incomprehensible?

FYI, the Apache indians were around long before any other company...

Florida Profit Corporation
APACHE RACING TEAM INC.
Filing Information
Document Number F70089
FEI/EIN Number 000000000
Date Filed 03/03/1982
State FL
Status INACTIVE
Last Event INVOLUNTARILY DISSOLVED
Event Date Filed 11/10/1983
Event Effective Date NONE

Principal Address
% JERRY KILPATRICK
TOLOMATO INDUSTRIAL PARK, U.S. #1 NORTH
ST AUGUSTINE FL 32084

Trademark
APACHE POWERBOATS & DESIGN OF INDIAN LOGO WITH STARS ON EITHER SIDE
Filing Information
Document Number T01049
Date Filed 04/26/1984
Expiration Date 04/26/2014
Last Event RENEWAL
Event Date Filed 11/24/2003
Event Effective Date NONE
First Used in Florida NONE
First Used Anywhere NONE
Status ACTIVE

Florida Profit Corporation
APACHE POWERBOATS, INC. Filing Information
Document Number F32467
FEI/EIN Number 592171850
Date Filed 04/28/1981
State FL
Status ACTIVE
Last Event NAME CHANGE AMENDMENT
Event Date Filed 01/11/2001
Event Effective Date NONE

Florida Profit Corporation
INSERVICE MARINE, INC.
Filing Information
Document Number 508554
FEI/EIN Number 591671848
Date Filed 06/02/1976
State FL
Status INACTIVE
Last Event VOLUNTARY DISSOLUTION
Event Date Filed 12/29/1980
Event Effective Date NONE

Principal Address
13333 N.E. 17TH AVENUE
NORTH MIAMI FL 33161
Mailing Address
13333 N.E. 17TH AVENUE
NORTH MIAMI FL 33161
Registered Agent Name & Address
SACCENTI, A. ROBERT
13333 N.E. 17TH AVENUE
NORTH MIAMI FL 33161

Florida Profit Corporation
RACE HEADQUARTERS, INC.
Filing Information
Document Number 687382
FEI/EIN Number 592043146
Date Filed 09/11/1980
State FL
Status INACTIVE
Last Event INVOLUNTARILY DISSOLVED
Event Date Filed 11/21/1984
Event Effective Date NONE

Principal Address
13333 N.E. 17TH AVENUE
NO. MIAMI FL 33161
Mailing Address
13333 N.E. 17TH AVENUE
NO. MIAMI FL 33161

[DAREDEVIL]

To stop your pi$$ing match !!!!!!!! LOL


I think the name fits and sounds cool !!!!!:sifone:
What else ???:confused:




NEXT !!!!!!!:USA:

[Geronimo36]

To stop your pi$$ing match !!!!!!!! LOL


I think the name fits and sounds cool !!!!!:sifone:
What else ???:confused:




NEXT !!!!!!!:USA:

Agreed, definitely beat to death, time to move on! :)

[ChiefApache]

Agreed, definitely beat to death, time to move on! :)

It wouldn't be a true Apahce thread unless there was controversary involved Frank. ;)

[Geronimo36]

Ain't that the truth!:03:

Hey, enjoy those beautiful KW waters and fly high on the Chief!!! You have no idea how jealous I am..in a good way of course! :)

[cashbrain]

So now we're talking about Word marks???

I'll said it for the last time, if you don't believe me then I suggest calling Bobby directly. Bobby didn't come up with the name from anywhere else other than Bobby coming up with the idea because Kilpatrick was half Irish, half indian and a prized fighter..... Bobby designed his logo from an idea he got from the $5 coin..

What part incomprehensible?

FYI, the Apache indians were around long before any other company...

Florida Profit Corporation
APACHE RACING TEAM INC.
Filing Information
Document Number F70089
FEI/EIN Number 000000000
Date Filed 03/03/1982
State FL
Status INACTIVE
Last Event INVOLUNTARILY DISSOLVED
Event Date Filed 11/10/1983
Event Effective Date NONE

Principal Address
% JERRY KILPATRICK
TOLOMATO INDUSTRIAL PARK, U.S. #1 NORTH
ST AUGUSTINE FL 32084

Trademark
APACHE POWERBOATS & DESIGN OF INDIAN LOGO WITH STARS ON EITHER SIDE
Filing Information
Document Number T01049
Date Filed 04/26/1984
Expiration Date 04/26/2014
Last Event RENEWAL
Event Date Filed 11/24/2003
Event Effective Date NONE
First Used in Florida NONE
First Used Anywhere NONE
Status ACTIVE

Florida Profit Corporation
APACHE POWERBOATS, INC. Filing Information
Document Number F32467
FEI/EIN Number 592171850
Date Filed 04/28/1981
State FL
Status ACTIVE
Last Event NAME CHANGE AMENDMENT
Event Date Filed 01/11/2001
Event Effective Date NONE

Florida Profit Corporation
INSERVICE MARINE, INC.
Filing Information
Document Number 508554
FEI/EIN Number 591671848
Date Filed 06/02/1976
State FL
Status INACTIVE
Last Event VOLUNTARY DISSOLUTION
Event Date Filed 12/29/1980
Event Effective Date NONE

Principal Address
13333 N.E. 17TH AVENUE
NORTH MIAMI FL 33161
Mailing Address
13333 N.E. 17TH AVENUE
NORTH MIAMI FL 33161
Registered Agent Name & Address
SACCENTI, A. ROBERT
13333 N.E. 17TH AVENUE
NORTH MIAMI FL 33161

Florida Profit Corporation
RACE HEADQUARTERS, INC.
Filing Information
Document Number 687382
FEI/EIN Number 592043146
Date Filed 09/11/1980
State FL
Status INACTIVE
Last Event INVOLUNTARILY DISSOLVED
Event Date Filed 11/21/1984
Event Effective Date NONE

Principal Address
13333 N.E. 17TH AVENUE
NO. MIAMI FL 33161
Mailing Address
13333 N.E. 17TH AVENUE
NO. MIAMI FL 33161


I know the story...and have talked to Bobby many,many times.Frank...ur fightin with yourself. No challenges here...

C'mon Bobby..stop gettin Frank all fired up :)

[Chris]

The pic I posted- it's Jerry, but the wrong Jerry. Jerry K had light brown, curly hair. Kinda looked like Jerry Reed. That's Jerry Jacoby in the pic with Bobby- in AJAC Hawk. Probably around '82.

Bobby called me earlier. I asked. He says he still has the release from the oar company. Frank is correct.

[cashbrain]

The pic I posted- it's Jerry, but the wrong Jerry. Jerry K had light brown, curly hair. Kinda looked like Jerry Reed. That's Jerry Jacoby in the pic with Bobby- in AJAC Hawk. Probably around '82.

Bobby called me earlier. I asked. He says he still has the release from the oar company. Frank is correct.

LOL..funny:26:

[Geronimo36]

It was an oar company


The original question was where did the name of the company come from...
The answer..and oar company.


Like I said...and Oar company..I have those docs too...


I know the story...and have talked to Bobby many,many times.Frank...ur fightin with yourself. No challenges here...

:dupe:

This is classic... now you're saying I'm arguing with myself... Nice try bud...

The fact is the name did not come from an (or as you say "and") oar company. I told you why it wasn't and you still held stake to your claim in multiple posts because of the access you had during the transaction.

I spoke to Bobby, got all the details, I didn't assume anything.. I provided the information to educate and elaborate, you still refused to acknowlege.

I have no stake in this game, I'm just an enthusiast and I'm not a bullchitter.. If I know facts I state them, I have nothing to prove. If you have questions call Bob, you know how to get a hold of him! :kiss:

Anyway, have a good weekend! :driving:

[cashbrain]

LOL..funny:26:



Like I said........

You guys take this chit waaaay too serious. Bobby...your getting these guys all worked up....
remeber the Cimino days? :)

[Chris]

I would consider Saccenti to be the ultimate authority on the matter.

[cashbrain]

Well...while you are confirming everything with Bob...maybe you should ask him about the Cherokee deal/ Apache deal that you guys think never happened. Bobby and Eric made alot of money from that deal...and I put the deal together. Oh but, wait...they never got any money(either did i) because all you guys think that deal never happened:sifone::sifone:

I just found the original transfers of Apache to me from Bobby and the notes from our meeting in Chicago...whooops..that never happened either.My BAD !!:03:

[cashbrain]

And that damn Buffalo Apache jacket that Bobby sent to me....too bad that isn't real either...:leaving::(

[ChiefApache]

Ain't that the truth!:03:

Hey, enjoy those beautiful KW waters and fly high on the Chief!!! You have no idea how jealous I am..in a good way of course! :)

Thanks and I'm sure we will! We are very excited to get started on our trip. We'll be sure to have a drink (or two or several) in your honor! There will be pics!

[OldSchool]

I just found the original transfers of Apache to me from Bobby and the notes from our meeting in Chicago...whooops..that never happened either.My BAD !!:03:

I must have slept through all of that. How did it work out?????:ack2::rofl:

Post pics of the checkbook, that'll end all doubt!!!!!:biggrinjester::sifone::26:

[cashbrain]

LOL...I'm thinkin that Chris should just confirm with the "Ultimate Authority" just like he did for the trademark. These guys go out of their way to try to prove me wrong..time to prove me right.Bobby knows the truth...

And stop sleeping on the job..what's wrong with you:sifone:

Checkbook? I have the original transfers...

[cashbrain]

I must have slept through all of that. How did it work out?????:ack2::rofl:

Post pics of the checkbook, that'll end all doubt!!!!!:biggrinjester::sifone::26:

Great ! I made money and so did Eric and Bobby...WAKE UP !!!!

[Bobby Saccenti]

Hey Jack!! What seems to be your problem with the apache LOGO.. Why are you twisting the truth and posting half cocked?? The facts you have only go back to when we met in 2003-4.. Jack there is a whole other set of facts that you seem to be misinformed about prier to our meeting.. Especially where the logo and name was originated.. I personally designed the logo using a five dolor gold coin that I hade in my desk, in the late seventies. All I did was add the wording “apache” in small letters on the top, added two starts on each side and the word “boats” on the bottom.. Gail the Apache artist changed the wording to Thunderbird fount on the logo to the way it is today. "APACHE" on top and "POWERBOATS" on the bottom. I used the Logo for a year or two with out trade marketing it.. When Jack Kramer became my partner he said we need to get the trademark registered.. When the drawings and papers were submitted to the T.M. board it was rejected because their was an ore company using a similar Indian head for its trademark.. We contacted the Ore company as per instructions of the T.M. Board and explained the situation.. The Ore company response was; although our Indian head logo is SIMULAR to the one Apache Boats planes on using. WE ARE IN THE WOODEN ORE BUSNESS, AND THEY BUILD POWERBOATS.. We have no problem with this…. So Jack where do you get off saying that I copied the trademark of a wooden ore company???? Next you are going to say that the name APACHE came out of a Cracker Jack box!!! If you have any problem with this you know how to reach me….

WISE UP STOP THE BS


Chris & Frank thanks for your support..

[Chris]

The man speaks...

...and that's the final word on the topic.

[J-Bonz]

the man speaks...

...and that's the final word on the topic.

:) :) :)

[Offshoredrillin]

Hey Jack!! What seems to be your problem with the apache LOGO.. Why are you twisting the truth and posting half cocked?? The facts you have only go back to when we met in 2003-4.. Jack there is a whole other set of facts that you seem to be misinformed about prier to our meeting.. Especially where the logo and name was originated.. I personally designed the logo using a five dolor gold coin that I hade in my desk, in the late seventies. All I did was add the wording “apache” in small letters on the top, added two starts on each side and the word “boats” on the bottom.. Gail the Apache artist changed the wording to Thunderbird fount on the logo to the way it is today. "APACHE" on top and "POWERBOATS" on the bottom. I used the Logo for a year or two with out trade marketing it.. When Jack Kramer became my partner he said we need to get the trademark registered.. When the drawings and papers were submitted to the T.M. board it was rejected because their was an ore company using a similar Indian head for its trademark.. We contacted the Ore company as per instructions of the T.M. Board and explained the situation.. The Ore company response was; although our Indian head logo is SIMULAR to the one Apache Boats planes on using. WE ARE IN THE WOODEN ORE BUSNESS, AND THEY BUILD POWERBOATS.. We have no problem with this…. So Jack where do you get off saying that I copied the trademark of a wooden ore company???? Next you are going to say that the name APACHE came out of a Cracker Jack box!!! If you have any problem with this you know how to reach me….

WISE UP STOP THE BS


Chris & Frank thanks for your support..

Classic Bobby...lol...Rob

[Buoy]

The question now remains - Was it an OAR company or an ORE company:leaving:
:)

[TMS1155]

The man speaks...

...and that's the final word on the topic.

You dont really belive that will be the FINAL word do you? It will be the final truth but not the final word.

[Chris]

I have the "Magic Button" ;)


...or at least I know the guys that do.

[TMS1155]

:sifone::sifone:
I have the "Magic Button" ;)


...or at least I know the guys that do.

:sifone::sifone::sifone:

[Thunderman]

Okay let me see if I got it straight now. Bobby S. liked the same apache as the oar or ore company so Jack Kramer bought it for hlm. Cashbrain should wise up and nobody gives a chit?

[cashbrain]

[QUOTE=Bobby Saccenti;360102]Hey Jack!! So Jack where do you get off saying that I copied the trademark of a wooden ore company????

Not what I said at all...and Bob..I have no reason nor do I care to reach you

[Geronimo36]

Bob...remember..we talked about it..I know what happened, I just like the fireworks.Man,you guys bait easy:sifone: Who gives a chit about where the trademark came from. If I hadn't revived the McManus case,you would have gotten NOTHING.
Now..why don't you tell these fine people that the Apache deal was real? AND that you and Eric made $150,000 by selling Thad Cherokee?
I brought you a very nice deal and now I'm your enemy? Nice.....that's the thanks I get...
I would have thought you would have learned more over the years...


Not what I said at all...and Bob..I have no reason nor do I care to reach you

How is it not what you said when it's exactly what you wrote?:confused:

Listen Jack, Bob has never said anything bad to me about you but in this thread you stated the name and logo came from an Oar company, then you're given the facts and history and still you say you're correct, which you were not... My intent was not to "prove you wrong" it was to lay out all the events, not just say it came from an oar company... the Oar company is not even relevant to how the name/logo came about. this didn't have to go past the first page... What could have been a very informative thread for people totally went down the crapper because you kept stating the Oar crap over and over.

An now you say you were just poking fun and that everyone gets worked up so easily? In fact, debating the facts and history of it all is an insult to Bobby.

I'm not aware of anyone denying the Apache deal ever happened nor was it a topic of this thread... In fact Bob has told me numerous times that you put it together....

FYI, I light of the events that took place after the deal it's not something I'd be proud of or boast about like you do....... It may have been a money deal in your eyes but not for everyone... I imagine you sold your first child to a drug addict and they got your kid (company) hooked on drugs?:lurk5:

Maybe you're just misunderstood but seriously dude, take a step back to reflect and take a chill pill...:kiss:

[boatme]

Cashbrain shoulda been an optomatrist he has so manny I's in this thread LOL

[cashbrain]

How is it not what you said when it's exactly what you wrote?:confused:

Listen Jack, Bob has never said anything bad to me about you but in this thread you stated the name and logo came from an Oar company, then you're given the facts and history and still you say you're correct, which you were not... My intent was not to "prove you wrong" it was to lay out all the events, not just say it came from an oar company... the Oar company is not even relevant to how the name/logo came about. this didn't have to go past the first page... What could have been a very informative thread for people totally went down the crapper because you kept stating the Oar crap over and over.

An now you say you were just poking fun and that everyone gets worked up so easily? In fact, debating the facts and history of it all is an insult to Bobby.

I'm not aware of anyone denying the Apache deal ever happened nor was it a topic of this thread... In fact Bob has told me numerous times that you put it together....

FYI, I light of the events that took place after the deal it's not something I'd be proud of or boast about like you do....... It may have been a money deal in your eyes but not for everyone... I imagine you sold your first child to a drug addict and they got your kid (company) hooked on drugs?:lurk5:

Maybe you're just misunderstood but seriously dude, take a step back to reflect and take a chill pill...:kiss:


I had NOTHING to do with what happened to the deal after I got out..FYI
I have NOTHING not to be proud of.I kept my end of the deal.I stand by my word...
I made a deal with Bobby and I told him I wouldn't stand in the way of a deal...and I kept my word.
Frank...you are COMPLETELY out of line and you have NO idea what transpired.

[Geronimo36]

I had NOTHING to do with what happened to the deal after I got out..FYI
I have NOTHING not to be proud of.I kept my end of the deal.I stand by my word...
I made a deal with Bobby and I told him I wouldn't stand in the way of a deal...and I kept my word.
.

I'm not accusing you of what happened after the deal. It was a pretty crappy chain of events.. What I'm referring to is how you constantly feel the need to tell everyone that you "owned" Apache, the BS about the jacket, the paperwork... yadda yadda yadda... Why are you defending yourself, who is saying it didn't happen? The people that need to know know how it happened... Don't concern yourself with the others who don't listen...



Frank...you are COMPLETELY out of line and you have NO idea what transpired.
Must have struck a nerve so I'll appologize to you for the previous post but you were out of line in how you kept insisting on the oar company, for that you're out of line and owe Bob an apology. I was given my information directly from the founder of the company and it's an insult and is out of line.

And as you say, don't take this stuff too seriously......:USA:


And FYI, remember when I reached out to you? I reached out because I thought you were misunderstood and I believe you were about the COPS stuff... So, know that I'm not your enemy....

I just stuck to the facts and wanted everyone to know the details of how the name was thought of and the logo was designed.... Nothing more nothing less...:kiss:

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[QUOTE=Geronimo36;360369]I'm not accusing you of what happened after the deal. It was a pretty crappy chain of events.. What I'm referring to is how you constantly feel the need to tell everyone that you "owned" Apache, the BS about the jacket, the paperwork... yadda yadda yadda... Why are you defending yourself, who is saying it didn't happen? The people that need to know know how it happened... Don't concern yourself with the others who don't listen...


No...I don't need to tell anyone that I owned Apache when Bobby wrote it off.
You would have thought when all that BS came out about my ownership that Bob would have stood up,especially after he made a killing from the deal. Great friend...
It is all the imbeciles that think it's one big friggin joke and question my integrity...The jacket..funny.Bob sent the jacket to me and these idiots had their fun.

What Thad did was nothing more than a joke...along with McManus.
I'm done(well sort of)...:sifone:

Funny thing is if Thaddeus would have listened to me for one second,APACHE would have flourished and McManus would have been Mcnowhere.We had him by the short hairs and yanked hard:driving:
Too bad..a great name in the sport ruined by a bunch of morons.Welcome to the Offshore world:dupe: