Noxcat

[shifter]

Nicolini has a new cat for outboard class....

Looks nice.

pat W

[Ratickle]

Looks very nice.....

[Sean H]

I like the prop wall in the background.

[WeaponX]

Looks like a Doug Wright killer.:sifone:

[DAREDEVIL]

Looks like a Doug Wright killer.:sifone:

+1 , maybe i should go there !!!!!!!!!!!!:drool5:

Anybody whants to buy my boat ???

[Sean Stinson]

Nice......X-Cat needs to come to the states.....Nicolini builds some bada$$ stuff.....

[Pete B]

What a concept! Build a boat for a class thats established.

Best of luck to their upcoming season!

[skaterdave]

Looks like a Doug Wright killer.:sifone:

was over doug's shop the other day and he's got next generation 32 done and almost ready for paint. considering his boats are a top 3 contender now the new one will awesome to see run.

one thing that quite noticable is the size difference. dougs 32 looks so much bigger.

i just hope x-cat doesn't turn into all flat water racing.

does anyone know if nicolini has built any more of his class one type hulls ??

[Ryan Beckley]

They told us in Abu Dhabi last year that the course would ONLY be run inside the break wall in the future.

[2TR]

Would you have any more pictures of the transom area and underneath?

Looks like a (shrunken) MTI from the angle the pictures are taken.

[Ryan Beckley]

It looks similar to the QATAR boat which he built with a newer canopy. The transom looks weird , almost like they may put a rudder on it......

A new X-Cat boat will run you about $200,000.00 , get it to the middle east, fly back and fourth, hotels, entries, insurance, fuel, rental cars, fuel.........

Why don't we just run these boats, here, in the states and build this class to what it should be.......looks like we'll be 8 boats strong in KW......

[skaterdave]

ryan you guys ever think of allowing the 300 xs motors and letting them knock off some weight to level the field.

is there a rule agianst the rudder ?

the bustle seems to be the wrong way ? receased instead of extended

[Ryan Beckley]

In OSS, ANY STOCK outboard is allowed 300HP or less......I do not know what the recess is for a rudder maybe or a trim ram for a tunnel tab.....I don't know the exact rules or legality of either over there. I know Qatar's tunnel tab WAS deemed illegal.....

[Sean H]

I was gonna guess a vertical ram for a tunnel tab that extends into the tunnel.

[2TR]

It looks similar to the QATAR boat which he built with a newer canopy. The transom looks weird , almost like they may put a rudder on it......

A new X-Cat boat will run you about $200,000.00 , get it to the middle east, fly back and fourth, hotels, entries, insurance, fuel, rental cars, fuel.........

Why don't we just run these boats, here, in the states and build this class to what it should be.......looks like we'll be 8 boats strong in KW......

Almost looks like it can be rigged with triples.

[Sean Stinson]

It looks similar to the QATAR boat which he built with a newer canopy. The transom looks weird , almost like they may put a rudder on it......

A new X-Cat boat will run you about $200,000.00 , get it to the middle east, fly back and fourth, hotels, entries, insurance, fuel, rental cars, fuel.........

Why don't we just run these boats, here, in the states and build this class to what it should be.......looks like we'll be 8 boats strong in KW......

Well that's a thought.....I have been somewhat vocal in the past about this.....I agree with you bro!!!!!

Now then between you guys and SVL there's the making of some good competitive racing with boats actually having to work for their trophy and flag!!!!!

[Ryan Beckley]

I've actually talked to 4 new people, in the last week, that are talking about RACING in the states in an SS boat next season, so if we actually get a couple of those it will be a step in the right direction.....

[skaterdave]

ryan i question would be, would you let the 'truely" stock outboard boats weigh less since the 300xs gives up about 2000 rpm ?

[Ryan Beckley]

When someone actually builds a RACEBOAT and shows up with one that bridge will be crossed. People have asked that the other motors be made legal and they WERE at the beginning of the year. STILL no one has shown up with a boat with ANY motor other than a 2.5/280.

People have asked for the rules to be changed, they were , now there asking for them to be changed AGAIN but still no boats?

The rules are, what they are for the 280, they really have not changed in 11 years, why not run with what the other 35 Xcat boats in the world are already running????

[skaterdave]

some people would like to be able to use their race boats as pleasure boats.
i was just trying to get a sense of what your thought was on that aspect.

theres a lot of guys, i think that would like to have a race boat and still have go-fast pleasure boat. honestly, i not trying to irratate you just wondering your opion.

having owned cats with 300x's and having been around people that have used the 2.5s for pleasure and race the 300xs would fill that gap for both race and pleasure.

next, i think thers a lot of people would like to do some races but don't have the money for just a purpose built race boat.

just throwing ideas out there.

[Ryan Beckley]

Well, YOU among other people asked for it last year, so we changed that rule, here we are a year later and you want another concession. "IF" someone were to build a boat to run in the class or show up with one, then it would be talked about. The problem is, I don't know how you think it would ever be made to be fair.

You can't make the guys with the boat now add weight, so the new guy coming in for a race or two a year can be competitive. You can't take enough weight out of a new or old boat to make up the difference. The 300XS boats out there are 5-8 mph slower top end than a 280 boat, I have no idea how they run between 75-105 which is where we race at.

That is part of the problem, the 2.5 280, is what it is and has been since 1998. We all run 2:1 gears, all the boats run withing 5mph of each other in race trim. There are 35 + of these boats in the world. You can't TAX the current RACE BOATS is someone wants to run there pleasure boat.

The 300XS has a different torque curve. Different HP, Different Gear Ratio, Different RPM.......were would you want to start to make this work? I don't know? You've asked it to be allowed, it was, before you ask for something else, someone PLEASE show up with a boat. As far as I know there IS NOT a full canopied , 300XS cat out there so until there is the point is kind of mute......

[Sean H]

some people would like to be able to use their race boats as pleasure boats.
i was just trying to get a sense of what your thought was on that aspect.

theres a lot of guys, i think that would like to have a race boat and still have go-fast pleasure boat. honestly, i not trying to irratate you just wondering your opion.

having owned cats with 300x's and having been around people that have used the 2.5s for pleasure and race the 300xs would fill that gap for both race and pleasure.

next, i think thers a lot of people would like to do some races but don't have the money for just a purpose built race boat.

just throwing ideas out there.

put some 300xs's on this and see how it runs...

[skaterdave]

ryan, i didn't know i had so much pull. next i'll be blamed for sbi not having the TV.

honestly though, when i built my 32, it was a choice between 300x's or inboards. i got some input from colabella and big john and decided to go with inboards.

back then big john was working on engines for a couple of o/b teams. the feedback i got was the costs of running a cat o/b was high, atleast the way the teams he was working for ran their program. we've already been thru the build times and costs on early threads.
my point was i didn't know people like you back than and from the people i asked the 2.5 was the only choice for racing. so i went with inboards. if the choice of running 300xs are there then good. i think it would be cool to see someone run that package.


so maybe, someone here will see this thread and say : hea i always thought about having a race boat but still wanted a pleasure boat. this might be a cool option.

[skaterdave]

put some 300xs's on this and see how it runs...

going to be intersting with the changes.

[Ryan Beckley]

The stock 2.5/280's we just took apart off of my boat, last had new pistons put in them in October of last year. We RACED 10 races on them AND the gearcases since KW of last year till now. I am putting new pistons in now and rebuilding the gearcases. I know some people think they have to rebuild every 2-4 races but that is only if you have money to burn....The 280 IS a great motor and VERY reliable when it is run STOCK at 8200rpm.

[skaterdave]

is that the class limit ?

thought it was 8600 ?

ryan just throwing ideas out there, okay ?

[Ryan Beckley]

It's ALL GOOD.....it is 8250 (STOCK) in OSS & XCAT, the SBI rule book just says boxes may be reprogrammed.

[Dunbar 104]

if it really matters I ran almost 2 years and 2200 miles on Ryans old take out pistons and rings.

[Sean H]

GB ran either 7 or 8 races before freshening his before LOTO, thats pretty much a full season as well.

[Ratickle]

When I was talking to Ryan, and Rick, about the 2.5's, it surprised me how reasonable they really were to run one season and then rebuild barring misfortune. I'd also heard the expense was tremendous per season compared to an IO boat.

[2TR]

When I was talking to Ryan, and Rick, about the 2.5's, it surprised me how reasonable they really were to run one season and then rebuild barring misfortune. I'd also heard the expense was tremendous per season compared to an IO boat.

Just don't expose them to an open flame and your good .... :willy_nilly:



I know a few outboard guys that race and pleasure run there boats for 2 plus years before rebuilding them.

[skaterdave]

hea where did you guys find these pics ?

[Sean H]

hea where did you guys find these pics ?

you gotta know the right people.

[Sean H]

some more

[Sean H]

more

[Sean H]

a few more

[Wahoo 214]

Looks like the SS guys will have to get there check books out. That is awesome.

[Wahoo 214]

Sean, I know the tunnel is wider and it is cut down but are the running surfaces different than the previous model?

[Sean H]

I don't know how much is actually different or not, if I could read Italian better I probably could tell ya more....

The new DW should be interesting if it can run with these smaller new boats like Nicolin's.

[cowisl]

Thanks for the pics!

[Sean H]

should be interesting in Xcat next season...

[Dr Speed]

put some 300xs's on this and see how it runs...

Is that the new DW that Stihl is trying to get ready for KW?

[Ryan Beckley]

The last picture Sean posted are of the Nicolini in ITALY. The pictures of the DW are not Stihl's but Grant is rigging it.....

[Sean H]

yeah, what he said.

[cowisl]

The last picture Sean posted are of the Nicolini in ITALY. The pictures of the DW are not Stihl's but Grant is rigging it.....

any pics?

[kiwiracer]

i ran 280's on my 28ft robson designed cat and changed it to 300x and had a marked speed difference of 5-8mph increase, we were able to run at 110mph in race trim, the rules here in new zealand we put a 200kg additional weight to the minimum for running the 300hp motors.