The Apache Still has it...

[MikeyFIN]

Got to tell you guys about a funny episode ( well fun now...not at the time)
which happened at Chicago International gate when I left Clearwater.

I was proudly wearing my Team Warpaint-T (thank you Mr & Mrs Vesper) with a Jerseez longsleeve under it walking and looking around with my eyes wide open at everything when I saw a Customs official in his late 40´s stare like me like hes had golfballs going to orgasm for eyes and staring right at the Apache Powerboats Logo...

Well Benny...seems they still remember....:dupe:

[Sean Stinson]

And how......

[MikeyFIN]

I dunno I´m just an innocent foreigner who got the T- for present ;)
On the other hand at Cowes 2009 an Apache41 showed good form.

[Sean Stinson]

There's not much that will stay with it in the rough even in todays technology!!!!

[MikeyFIN]

Well in the rough the new technology isn´t for any help if the A41 is also a light Racer as the speeds stay low.
But make a A41 with nowadays Resins and layup... then see what happens.
And in Cowes a boat from 1984 creamed everyone... dueling with the A41.

[THEJOKER]

Well in the rough the new technology isn´t for any help if the A41 is also a light Racer as the speeds stay low.
But make a A41 with nowadays Resins and layup... then see what happens.
And in Cowes a boat from 1984 creamed everyone... dueling with the A41. Let me know when you want one.

[Sean Stinson]

Well in the rough the new technology isn´t for any help if the A41 is also a light Racer as the speeds stay low.
But make a A41 with nowadays Resins and layup... then see what happens.
And in Cowes a boat from 1984 creamed everyone... dueling with the A41.

Thats not what I was saying....what I am saying take any Apache Raceboat 41/47 from 84-94 as that was the original Apache years and put it up against anything from today in 6'+ seas and you will be amazed as to the outcome 9 out of 10 will go to the Apache!!!

[MikeyFIN]

Let me know when you want one.

Which molds of the A41 you got ?
Just curious... I remember you having access or something of one ?

[MikeyFIN]

Thats not what I was saying....what I am saying take any Apache Raceboat 41/47 from 84-94 as that was the original Apache years and put it up against anything from today in 6'+ seas and you will be amazed as to the outcome 9 out of 10 will go to the Apache!!!

And it´s not the only boat from the old days capable of that in 6´s and up...unless it´s a buzzi or some other behemoth.
Apache is a legend no doubt about it but not the only one either.
Thenagain I reckon any other powerboat-T wouldn´t gotten the officials attention...

[Dude! Sweet!]

And it´s not the only boat from the old days capable of that in 6´s and up...unless it´s a buzzi or some other behemoth.
Apache is a legend no doubt about it but not the only one either.
Thenagain I reckon any other powerboat-T wouldn´t gotten the officials attention...

Why do I do stuff like this... :sifone:

[Comanche3Six]

On the other hand at Cowes 2009 an Apache41 showed good form.

Flyin Falcon?

[TMS1155]

Why do I do stuff like this... :sifone:

Because you can!

[fund razor]

Got to tell you guys about a funny episode ( well fun now...not at the time)
which happened at Chicago International gate when I left Clearwater.

I was proudly wearing my Team Warpaint-T (thank you Mr & Mrs Vesper) with a Jerseez longsleeve under it walking and looking around with my eyes wide open at everything when I saw a Customs official in his late 40´s stare like me like hes had golfballs going to orgasm for eyes and staring right at the Apache Powerboats Logo...

Well Benny...seems they still remember....:dupe:
Benny wasn't there.
The customs (or maybe TSA) were in the moment.

It's called profiling. You can wear whatever you want and the customs people will look at you extra. :)

[MattBMiller]

Why do I do stuff like this... :sifone:

:eek:

[Magnum Mark]

and how......

how!

[Geronimo36]

Flyin Falcon?


Papache's old boat
http://www.flickr.com/photos/39781242@N08/3918604353/
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3457/3918604353_dd9339fd8a.jpg

[Geronimo36]

Why do I do stuff like this... :sifone:

Sorry meng but that boat don't say anything sexy like an Apache...:lurk5:

Great pic though!!!:driving:

[Sean Stinson]

Flyin Falcon?

For some reason I have Jack Herricks old boat in my mind!!!! The one with the sprial graphics down the side!!!!

[Geronimo36]

For some reason I have Jack Herricks old boat in my mind!!!! The one with the sprial graphics down the side!!!!

The one Papache claimed ran 119 mph or something like that! ;)

[Sean Stinson]

The one Papache claimed ran 119 mph or something like that! ;)

That be the one brother!!!!

[Geronimo36]

And it´s not the only boat from the old days capable of that in 6´s and up...unless it´s a buzzi or some other behemoth.
Apache is a legend no doubt about it but not the only one either.
Thenagain I reckon any other powerboat-T wouldn´t gotten the officials attention...


"Austrian Hannes Bohinc and his Wettpunkt.com team were cruelly denied victory in the Cowes-Torquay-Cowes when a ruptured fuel tank forced the Buzzi-designed powerboat to retire just 1.5 miles short of the finish after almost four hours of gruelling race action. Heading for the record books as only the fourth man in history to win the coveted Beaverbrook Trophy on three occasions, the abrupt ending allowed Cinzano, piloted by Marcus Hendricks, Tim Grimshaw and Eric Smilie to take the chequered flag in a time of 3hrs 35.20, seconds ahead of Hot Lemon, the race leader for much of the 170 nautical mile distance. "

[DAREDEVIL]

The one Papache claimed ran 119 mph or something like that! ;)

I thought ALLEZ VITE was the fastest evr build ????? @ 108-9ish ??

[Geronimo36]

Not according to Papache! ;)

LOL

[Sean Stinson]

I thought ALLEZ VITE was the fastest evr build ????? @ 108-9ish ??

It was and probably still is @ 106 mph....like I said many times show me a 41 with an AB8 HIN # that breaks 110 and you have accomplished a feat that no one else has......I think I even offered to pick up a bar tab at an establishment that promoted pole dancing!!!!!

[Geronimo36]

Sean, same power (1000+ hp??), if it were a "pleasure version" with the cabin liner, what do you think Alez would have run???

[Sean Stinson]

Sean, same power (1000+ hp??), if it were a "pleasure version" with the cabin liner, what do you think Alez would have run???

The only thing I can use as a comparison is Desert Warrior....it weighed in at about 14592 according to the Scale at the Truckstop...with low fuel!!!

Anyway w/Chief engines @ 800 + HP each it ran a solid 80 on any day on good days 83-84....That was on 3 1/2 lbs boost if I changed the pulleys the boost went to 7 lbs with 36' of timing and good gas like 110 it ran low 90's like 91-92

[Thunderman]

I was told Predator did well over 110 mph. I believe it. They had Chief engines backing them and there have been many advances in engine thecnology since Alez Vite.

[DAREDEVIL]

I was told Predator did well over 110 mph. I believe it. They had Chief engines backing them and there have been many advances in engine thecnology since Alez Vite.

I don't believe it, the boat is a little heavyer then Allez Vite and at one point it really does not matter how much horses are pushing. ITS CALLED HULL SPEED and u can't get away from that.

[Thunderman]

Did Allez Vite run normally aspirated or S.charged

[DAREDEVIL]

Did Allez Vite run normally aspirated or S.charged

I think N/A 540 CI ?! but not shure.

STINSON WOULD KNOW !!!!!!!

And ofcoarse the owner.lol

[phragle]

I don't believe it, the boat is a little heavyer then Allez Vite and at one point it really does not matter how much horses are pushing. ITS CALLED HULL SPEED and u can't get away from that.


Dude..what are you takng about?? without the exact figure before me, the 41 what is the length at waterline of a 41?? for a rough calculation, I used 37' so Knots : 8.15 or Miles per hour : 9.38 or hull seed = 1.34 * the square root of the length at waterline. It is the speed at which a vessle cannot overcome the trough of the bow and stern wave, theoretically unable to go any faster. A planning vessle overcomes this by it's very nature of planing (the act of overcoming the bow wave). If you really wanted too, you could put tripple T44's in a 41' and increase the speed beyond stability.

[DAREDEVIL]

Dude..what are you takng about?? without the exact figure before me, the 41 what is the length at waterline of a 41?? for a rough calculation, I used 37' so Knots : 8.15 or Miles per hour : 9.38 or hull seed = 1.34 * the square root of the length at waterline. It is the speed at which a vessle cannot overcome the trough of the bow and stern wave, theoretically unable to go any faster. A planning vessle overcomes this by it's very nature of planing (the act of overcoming the bow wave). If you really wanted too, you could put tripple T44's in a 41' and increase the speed beyond stability.

Your just NUTZ !!!!!!:rofl:

[Thunderman]

Assuming that Allez Vite had 800 hp engines, and that Predator had 1200 hp engines #6 dry sump drives, with the more modern prop thechnology even if it weighed slightly more. Why would it be difficult to believe Predator would be faster?

[DAREDEVIL]

Assuming that Allez Vite had 800 hp engines, and that Predator had 1200 hp engines #6 dry sump drives, with the more modern prop thechnology even if it weighed slightly more. Why would it be difficult to believe Predator would be faster?

#3'a #5 and #6's use THE SAME PROPS !!!!!!!!!!!

Allez Vite had #6's also !!

Its because the boat was dialed in better ( THE BEST ) and was lighter.....

[Roger 1]

Dude..what are you takng about?? without the exact figure before me, the 41 what is the length at waterline of a 41?? for a rough calculation, I used 37' so Knots : 8.15 or Miles per hour : 9.38 or hull seed = 1.34 * the square root of the length at waterline. It is the speed at which a vessle cannot overcome the trough of the bow and stern wave, theoretically unable to go any faster. A planning vessle overcomes this by it's very nature of planing (the act of overcoming the bow wave). If you really wanted too, you could put tripple T44's in a 41' and increase the speed beyond stability.


I was told there would be no math...................

[Sean Stinson]

Did Allez Vite run normally aspirated or S.charged

Originally Cobra SC then Merc 1000 SC then Zul SC on #6 drives

Predator ran Stotler NA on #3 then #5 and finally ended up with Chief Engines SC I believe

[Sean Stinson]

Assuming that Allez Vite had 800 hp engines, and that Predator had 1200 hp engines #6 dry sump drives, with the more modern prop thechnology even if it weighed slightly more. Why would it be difficult to believe Predator would be faster?

You guys have your boats backwards.....Allez Vite was the SC/#6 drive while predator was a Nat Asp/#3 then #5 boat.....

Predator was a bit lighter I am sure and Allez Vite was dialed in!!!!

[Sean Stinson]

Dude..what are you takng about?? without the exact figure before me, the 41 what is the length at waterline of a 41?? for a rough calculation, I used 37' so Knots : 8.15 or Miles per hour : 9.38 or hull seed = 1.34 * the square root of the length at waterline. It is the speed at which a vessle cannot overcome the trough of the bow and stern wave, theoretically unable to go any faster. A planning vessle overcomes this by it's very nature of planing (the act of overcoming the bow wave). If you really wanted too, you could put tripple T44's in a 41' and increase the speed beyond stability.

LOA on a 41 Apache was 41' 3" no swimstep included.....I think that waterline length might be a tad more than 37....All I can say is that at speed the water should have been breaking off the vee about 5' forward of the transom....which means it was breaking off the chine at the transom for all intense purposes use those assumptions for your calcs...

Another note.....alot of the 41's seemed to run into a wall in the mid to high 90's so to overcome that took alot of work dialing them in!!!!

[Sean Stinson]

Papache's old boat
http://www.flickr.com/photos/39781242@N08/3918604353/
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3457/3918604353_dd9339fd8a.jpg

If you use this photo and try to tell me it's running over 100 your full of :icon_bs:.....it's not running 90 in this photo....suffice it to say maybe 80!!!! That's only based off THIS photo however!!!!

[DAREDEVIL]

If you use this photo and try to tell me it's running over 100 your full of :icon_bs:.....it's not running 90 in this photo....suffice it to say maybe 80!!!! That's only based off THIS photo however!!!!

On that photo i think its more like 65,,,,,its barely on plane.

[Roger 1]

I thought that Predator was a light lay-up.

[Sean Stinson]

I was told Predator did well over 110 mph. I believe it. They had Chief engines backing them and there have been many advances in engine thecnology since Alez Vite.

If Predator ran 110 it did it on something that pulled it on the trailer that fast......let's not go over this again....been there done that already!!!!

My Briggs and Stratton runs a 8.496 quarter mile too!!!!:icon_bs::icon_bs::icon_bs::icon_bs:

[Sean Stinson]

I thought that Predator was a light lay-up.

It was and I am sure it's a bit lighter than Allez Vite

[Sean Stinson]

Like I said Allez Vite was dialed in.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pDV7vHF2G4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUwi9gxSAp0

[Sean Stinson]

Predator is from the 3:20- 4:21 mark you guys be the judge!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdzJDnEx5AI&feature=related

[Nykamp]

Perdator is a ways light then my 41, I know the deck along is much lighter. I walked down both of them, Allez Vite deck is way stiffer. I have old lake X sheets from Pete that she ran 105 at one point with the 540 ci 1000 MERC's. In the print offs she hit 108 on the speedo and was still climbing at the end of the kilo run. When I bought her TNT had pulled out the 1" spacer that lake X had found to be the best setup, at that time Johhny T had her running 96 to 97 mph with the old Zul's in her. I hope to put the new 975's in her this spring and put the spacer back in the drives, then we'll see what she can do.

[xlr8by]

Stinson what would a boat like Predator or Allez Vite run with these 1750 hp motors? http://www.stotlerracing.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=41&Itemid=98 Do you think the boat will hit 120 with that kind of power? :) What is the most powerful Apache you guys know of?

[tonyto]

If you use this photo and try to tell me it's running over 100 your full of :icon_bs:.....it's not running 90 in this photo....suffice it to say maybe 80!!!! That's only based off THIS photo however!!!!

You are completely right the boat was probably running 80, we ran the boat for fun in a short course from Cowes to Poole and back to Cowes while the Cowes- Torquay- Cowes was in progress and had a great time. Unknown to us a 42 Fountain was entered at the last minute with a couple of merc 600 sc which I know runs 98mph, at the start of the race the Fountain took off in relatively calm water but as we entered the bay the waves were running 6-8, the fountain soon slowed and we took the lead, the Apache was awesome in the rough and left the Fountain behind. We then led for the rest of the course but once we re- entered the Solent the water calmed and the Fountain cruised by us to win by 12 seconds.

I bought the boat from Papache, I have to say I have never been able to get the same speeds as he did. We have since completey stripped the boat and re rigged and now fitted a couple of NA 572's which took a year of weekend working, we use the boat for fun and plan to do the CTC next year as it will be the 50th anniversary.

I believe the boat was the JH electric/ Doller marine boat in a previous life and intend to keep the same paint job.

Here are a couple of pics when she was running in her element.

[MikeyFIN]

Tony, that´s a NICE A41 you got there and I´m Happy to hear you don´t overdo it.
With an Apache It´s more than just top speed...

[Thunderman]

One last time. from solid sources. Predator weighed in the 10,000 to 11,000# range and with its best set up (1200hp) ran 113 mph. Theres no reason for these people to lie, and they knew the inside story of this boat very well

[DAREDEVIL]

[QUOTE=Thunderman;340400]One last time. from solid sources. Predator weighed in the 10,000 to 11,000# range and with its best set up (1200hp) ran 113 mph.




NO WAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I also thought its a tat lighter then 10,000 #

[Geronimo36]

You are completely right the boat was probably running 80, we ran the boat for fun in a short course from Cowes to Poole and back to Cowes while the Cowes- Torquay- Cowes was in progress and had a great time. Unknown to us a 42 Fountain was entered at the last minute with a couple of merc 600 sc which I know runs 98mph, at the start of the race the Fountain took off in relatively calm water but as we entered the bay the waves were running 6-8, the fountain soon slowed and we took the lead, the Apache was awesome in the rough and left the Fountain behind. We then led for the rest of the course but once we re- entered the Solent the water calmed and the Fountain cruised by us to win by 12 seconds.

I bought the boat from Papache, I have to say I have never been able to get the same speeds as he did. We have since completey stripped the boat and re rigged and now fitted a couple of NA 572's which took a year of weekend working, we use the boat for fun and plan to do the CTC next year as it will be the 50th anniversary.

I believe the boat was the JH electric/ Doller marine boat in a previous life and intend to keep the same paint job.

Here are a couple of pics when she was running in her element.

Cool story and thanks for all the info!!!!!! :)

I have the same problem as you do in the rough water!!! When ever I run in the rough with some of the 100 mph boats they some how turn into 80 mph boats and they accuse me of being a 100 mph boat if ya know what I mean! ;)


And in Cowes a boat from 1984 creamed everyone... dueling with the A41.
Mikeyfin had mentioned the Cinzano boat beat an Apache in that race. I didn't know what he was talking about so I tried finding your entry and couldn't find it but now I know why (you weren't entered in the race with them).. I could only find wetpunkt and one other boat who was leading until their fuel tank ruptured.

So it seems either there was a 2nd apache in that race???? or Mikeyfin's information was skewed?:lurk5:

[Geronimo36]

Perdator is a ways light then my 41, I know the deck along is much lighter. I walked down both of them, Allez Vite deck is way stiffer. I have old lake X sheets from Pete that she ran 105 at one point with the 540 ci 1000 MERC's. In the print offs she hit 108 on the speedo and was still climbing at the end of the kilo run. When I bought her TNT had pulled out the 1" spacer that lake X had found to be the best setup, at that time Johhny T had her running 96 to 97 mph with the old Zul's in her. I hope to put the new 975's in her this spring and put the spacer back in the drives, then we'll see what she can do.


Man, I love when facts are posted!!!:USA::driving:

BTW, got the cylinder head last week.

[MikeyFIN]

So it seems either there was a 2nd apache in that race???? or Mikeyfin's information was skewed?:lurk5:

My Bad Actually.
I somehow mixed the two races.

[Sean Stinson]

Stinson what would a boat like Predator or Allez Vite run with these 1750 hp motors? http://www.stotlerracing.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=41&Itemid=98 Do you think the boat will hit 120 with that kind of power? :) What is the most powerful Apache you guys know of?

Kemosabe was probably one of, if not the fastest Apache of all time....I believe it ran at 118 with 1300hp each in it!!!!

Apache Heritage probably ran in the same neighborhood as well as the pizza boat!!!!!

[Sean Stinson]

You are completely right the boat was probably running 80.

I bought the boat from Papache, I have to say I have never been able to get the same speeds as he did.

I believe the boat was the JH electric/ Doller marine boat in a previous life and intend to keep the same paint job.

Here are a couple of pics when she was running in her element.

Thats because the boat never ran 117 or 115 or 110 for that matter but what that boat did was annihilate the competition in the rough seas...Thats where she shines!!!!!!

[Geronimo36]

Thats because the boat never ran 117 or 115 or 110 for that matter but what that boat did was annihilate the competition in the rough seas...Thats where she shines!!!!!!

Musta had a pair of matched super special labbed props on it! ;)

(throw back from days of thunder):driving:

[Sean Stinson]

One last time. from solid sources. Predator weighed in the 10,000 to 11,000# range and with its best set up (1200hp) ran 113 mph. Theres no reason for these people to lie, and they knew the inside story of this boat very well

I feel a bet coming on here because I know alot of the history of that boat!!! I have to say someone is going to get a great night at an establishment with naked women if you can prove to me beyond a reasonable doubt that she ran 110+.....Like I said she might have went 110 but it was behind something that would pull it that fast down the highway!!!!

[Thunderman]

I feel a bet coming on here because I know alot of the history of that boat!!! I have to say someone is going to get a great night at an establishment with naked women if you can prove to me beyond a reasonable doubt that she ran 110+.....Like I said she might have went 110 but it was behind something that would pull it that fast down the highway!!!!

What would beyond reasonable doubt constitute for you? I just dont find it as hard to believe as you do. Predator had the right people working on it to run hard.

[Dude! Sweet!]

I love this... I think someone needs to set up one of those internet donation sites to fund a heads up race between all these boats. Fastest boat that also runs the claimed speed takes home the money. If no one runs the claimed speed the money gets split equal between me (for coming up with the idea) Stinson for calling bullsh*t and because I like his first name and the owner of the fastest boat...

[Dude! Sweet!]

Maybe we can get that D-bag from the TV show "Pinks" in on it to lend some modern-era TV style credibility to the whole thing! :sifone:

[Sean Stinson]

What would beyond reasonable doubt constitute for you? I just dont find it as hard to believe as you do. Predator had the right people working on it to run hard.

Beyond a reasonable doubt is me in the boat with a competent driver and throttleman and a GPS or radar gun....I have watched Predator run many times bud and really don't remember it even breaking 100 let alone 110!!!

[Sean Stinson]

I think we have a new concept here....Baddest Apache Contest!!!!!

[OldSchool]

I think we have a new concept here....Baddest Apache Contest!!!!!

This one wins...hands down!!!! ;)

[Sean Stinson]

this one wins...hands down!!!! ;)

agreed!!!!!

[Thunderman]

Beyond a reasonable doubt is me in the boat with a competent driver and throttleman and a GPS or radar gun....I have watched Predator run many times bud and really don't remember it even breaking 100 let alone 110!!!

You are making no sense here. If it helps any, Im not looking to take you up on the booze and whores offer. 1200 HP motors. #6 dry sumps,set up with the help of Tommy Chief and (according to you lighter than Allez Vite) and cant hit 100 mph? How fast do you think it was?

[DAREDEVIL]

You are making no sense here. If it helps any, Im not looking to take you up on the booze and whores offer. 1200 HP motors. #6 dry sumps,set up with the help of Tommy Chief and (according to you lighter than Allez Vite) and cant hit 100 mph? How fast do you think it was?

Strippers are NO whores #1,

Second i do think it runs more then 100, but not 110 !!

38 Cig, 1200 Chiefs,,in race setup 105+ and its lighter then 41 Apache.

Then again ,,who really cares about the speed,,,they are just awsome Boats !!!!!!!!!!

[TMS1155]

Maybe we can get that D-bag from the TV show "Pinks" in on it to lend some modern-era TV style credibility to the whole thing! :sifone:

Standing on a block of styrofoam between all the boats starting at once!

[MikeyFIN]

You are making no sense here. If it helps any, Im not looking to take you up on the booze and whores offer. 1200 HP motors. #6 dry sumps,set up with the help of Tommy Chief and (according to you lighter than Allez Vite) and cant hit 100 mph? How fast do you think it was?

Who said anything about whores?

The bet was about seeing naked ladies and enjoying adult beverages.
Guess for you looking at playboy means you got laid...:sifone:

but Back to track.

If you want speed argue about Fountains or Hydros.

A´s seldom hit triple digits and for some reason especially not 41´s.

[Sean Stinson]

You are making no sense here. If it helps any, Im not looking to take you up on the booze and whores offer. 1200 HP motors. #6 dry sumps,set up with the help of Tommy Chief and (according to you lighter than Allez Vite) and cant hit 100 mph? How fast do you think it was?

Unless someone put dry sump #6's, not that, that really matters, it had #5's on it and when Tommy put a set of motors together for it it was set-up to run P-3 which was the 90mph class and he ran it pretty much on the pins the whole race he dialed it in for the turns!!!!!

OK I will agree with you IF it had 1200+ HP on a good day it would run over 100......BUT the bet still stands it wont break 110.....If you want phone numbers to several people that can justify this statement by all means contact me!!!!!!

And there's a difference between a whore and a stripper!!!!

[Thunderman]

Strippers are NO whores #1, !!!!!!!!!!

My deepest apologizies, to anyone I might have offended. I wasnt thinking clearly when I confused strippers with whores, and in no way did I mean to offend the stripper sensitives.

[Sean Stinson]

I am sorry it was P-2

[DAREDEVIL]

My deepest apologizies, to anyone I might have offended. I wasnt thinking clearly when I confused strippers with whores, and in no way did I mean to offend the stripper sensitives.

Ok,,,NOW LETS GET IN THE NEXT STRIPCLUB AND HAVE SOME FUN !!!!!:sifone:

[DAREDEVIL]

I am sorry it was P-2

Which was 102 MPH absolute max and most of them them did not run that.

[Thunderman]

Which was 102 MPH absolute max and most of them them did not run that.

What are the rules? Would it be an advantage to have a boat thats faster than 102mph as long as you dont break out? or to have a boats that with a different set up would have a higher top speed but is set up for acceleration and throttle response. which I was told was Predators case. Listen Im not a Predator Grupy or anything like that, I couldnt care less if the boat did 80 mph or 120. But it just so happens that i had been told by people that knew the boat, and I believe arent lying the boat did 113, and I was specifically told that after that they changed that set up, looking for more acceleration instead of ultimate top speed. Impossible?

[Geronimo36]

If anyone hasn't done so already, go to http://www.predator41.com/ and watch the 2006 races.....

2006 Key West Race 1, 98 mph @ 5400 rpm.
2006 Key West Race 3, 101 mph (6 minutes in; "whoah, 101, god damn it, we're ok tuck it in")

They were consistently watching their speed in race 3 which leads me to believe the boat is sub 101+ mph. I don't how much above 101 but logic would lead me to believe it's definitely over 101

Great way to start any day! :)


2006 SBI NATIONAL RACE RESULTS
Miami, FL 1
Ft Lauderdale, Fl 1
Marathon, FL 1
Hollywood, FL 2
Sarasota, FL 1
Dania Beach, Fl 1
Washington, NC 1
Panama City Beach, FL 2
New York, NY 1
Morehead City, NC 1
Deerfield Beach, FL 1

[Sean H]

I am sorry it was P-2

they raced the 2006 season in P3

[DAREDEVIL]

What are the rules? Would it be an advantage to have a boat thats faster than 102mph as long as you dont break out? or to have a boats that with a different set up would have a higher top speed but is set up for acceleration and throttle response. which I was told was Predators case. Listen Im not a Predator Grupy or anything like that, I couldnt care less if the boat did 80 mph or 120. But it just so happens that i had been told by people that knew the boat, and I believe arent lying the boat did 113, and I was specifically told that after that they changed that set up, looking for more acceleration instead of ultimate top speed. Impossible?

That would be sandbaging and was/is not allowed......but yes that could be the case.
Still don't think its 110+ WOT..........
Does anybody tell the truth on the top speed ??????? mmmmmhhhh:sifone:

[Offshoredrillin]

If anyone hasn't done so already, go to http://www.predator41.com/ and watch the 2006 races.....

2006 Key West Race 1, 98 mph @ 5400 rpm.
2006 Key West Race 3, 101 mph (6 minutes in; "whoah, 101, god damn it, we're ok tuck it in")

They were consistently watching their speed in race 3 which leads me to believe the boat is sub 101+ mph. I don't how much above 101 but logic would lead me to believe it's definitely over 101

Great way to start any day! :)


2006 SBI NATIONAL RACE RESULTS
Miami, FL 1
Ft Lauderdale, Fl 1
Marathon, FL 1
Hollywood, FL 2
Sarasota, FL 1
Dania Beach, Fl 1
Washington, NC 1
Panama City Beach, FL 2
New York, NY 1
Morehead City, NC 1
Deerfield Beach, FL 1

come on Frank, you know better than to post facts....:rofl:

[Geronimo36]

come on Frank, you know better than to post facts....:rofl:

:willy_nilly::seeya::26::26:

[Sean Stinson]

If anyone hasn't done so already, go to http://www.predator41.com/ and watch the 2006 races.....

2006 Key West Race 1, 98 mph @ 5400 rpm.
2006 Key West Race 3, 101 mph (6 minutes in; "whoah, 101, god damn it, we're ok tuck it in")

They were consistently watching their speed in race 3 which leads me to believe the boat is sub 101+ mph. I don't how much above 101 but logic would lead me to believe it's definitely over 101

Great way to start any day! :)


2006 SBI NATIONAL RACE RESULTS
Miami, FL 1
Ft Lauderdale, Fl 1
Marathon, FL 1
Hollywood, FL 2
Sarasota, FL 1
Dania Beach, Fl 1
Washington, NC 1
Panama City Beach, FL 2
New York, NY 1
Morehead City, NC 1
Deerfield Beach, FL 1

I can buy 100+ but 110+ isn't happening....sorry most of Tommys engines are 5800 RPM so 400 rpm wont give you 12mph hell I will even give you 6200 and it wont give you 12 mph

[Sean Stinson]

they raced the 2006 season in P3

According to the SBI standings for 2006 it was P2 thats why I corrected myself I thought it was a P3 boat as well just didn't have the photo in front of me!!!! Anyway P3 at 101 is really breaking out if you ask me!!!!

[Sean Stinson]

Hold on a second it was a P2 boat for awhile

[Sean Stinson]

And in that photo it's definitely hauling a$$

[Sean H]

they ran p3 during the season, and I believe were moved up to p2 for kw. the shamoo fountain won p2 national title that year i believe.

[DAREDEVIL]

they ran p3 during the season, and I believe were moved up to p2 for kw. the shamoo fountain won p2 national title that year i believe.

I think SHAMOO was P3 !!!!

[14 apache]

MY BOAT NO BS WILL RUN BETTER THAN 105MPH ON A GOOD DAY WITH 950HP NA ENGINES. IN A BOAT VERY CLOSE TO THAT ONE IN WEIGHT. GOOD PROPS HALF LOAD FUEL 6700RPM 29"PROPS SLOWER PROPS ON GPS 30" 6200 103MPH WITH A ENGINE EATING A PISTON IN FLAT WATER. :sifone:

[Thunderman]

[QUOTE=DAREDEVIL;342537]

38 Cig, 1200 Chiefs,,in race setup 105+ and its lighter then 41 Apache.

Someone should have told them to pull out the anchor. :biggrinjester:

[Thunderman]

MY BOAT NO BS WILL RUN BETTER THAN 105MPH ON A GOOD DAY WITH 950HP NA ENGINES. IN A BOAT VERY CLOSE TO THAT ONE IN WEIGHT. GOOD PROPS HALF LOAD FUEL 6700RPM 29"PROPS SLOWER PROPS ON GPS 30" 6200 103MPH WITH A ENGINE EATING A PISTON IN FLAT WATER. :sifone:

Love your 41. In my opinion one of the best. Dont you think your boat could go another 8mph faster if it had 500 hp more?

[14 apache]

Yes I do! I think my boat will run 109 every thing right. Thats fresh water cooled extra 300lbs in boat + running circulator pumps!:drool5:

[Sean Stinson]

MY BOAT NO BS WILL RUN BETTER THAN 105MPH ON A GOOD DAY WITH 950HP NA ENGINES. IN A BOAT VERY CLOSE TO THAT ONE IN WEIGHT. GOOD PROPS HALF LOAD FUEL 6700RPM 29"PROPS SLOWER PROPS ON GPS 30" 6200 103MPH WITH A ENGINE EATING A PISTON IN FLAT WATER. :sifone:

Nobody is disputing that fact.....I am disputing 113 in a 41 period.....The possibility exists but the probability does not!!!!

[Sean Stinson]

I think we should have a contest of all the fastest Apaches to come and run in a winner take all kind of contest!!!! But you have to break 110!!!!

[Sean Stinson]

StarChaser ran in the mid to high 90's with 780 HP N/A Zul's back in the day....

[Thunderman]

Yes I do! I think my boat will run 109 every thing right. Thats fresh water cooled extra 300lbs in boat + running circulator pumps!:drool5:

Have you weighed Starchaser? How much does it weigh?

[DAREDEVIL]

All this about who has the fastest sounds to me like back when i was young,,,who has the biggest...PEOPLE,,its what u do with it and how !!!!!!:biggrinjester:


Who cares how fast and which one the fastest is ,,they are all cool boats and people that own them and take care should be proud !!!!!!!!!:USA:

[MikeyFIN]

Scotty Scotty..now all Apache threads turn into P- contests...so you should know better ;)

Now ONCE AGAIN Which one is the Fastest Apache, LOL... ???:beatdeadhorse5::rant::banghead::huh::party::nopity::bump::grouphug:

[14 apache]

Have you weighed Starchaser? How much does it weigh?

The boat weight is around 9600.lbs may be a little lighter than that.

[Sean Stinson]

I was told it was 9200 lbs dry.....original set-up!!!!!

[thedonz]

Predator ran P3 one full season with us, than when they switched to #6 drives they ran P2 and won that same yr the worlds. It was fast they were leaving behind most of the super v's. The yr they won the worlds ( 2006 i think )instead of trailering it back to key largo they ran it back by water. I have ridden that boat and it's fast. Our gun with twin 1200 Cheifs has runs 112mph.....

Mike

[MikeyFIN]

And Predator is faster....so light is right :)
How about a number on Predators weight...close to Magnum Marks @ 8600 (loaded I´ve heard) ?

[MikeyFIN]

So it seems either there was a 2nd apache in that race???? or Mikeyfin's information was skewed?:lurk5:

Tony Was at the Cowes-Poole- Cowes(?) race and got beat barely by a Fountain and Flying Falcon was at the Cowes-Torquay-Cowes Race and got beat by a CUV...


I had a gut feeling about this but couldn´t find proof.

Dunaruna posted on the other site about Flying Falcon.

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/attachments/apache/367940d1226795373-apaches-europe-vlcsnap-2797591.jpg
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/attachments/apache/367939d1226795373-apaches-europe-flying-20falcon-1.jpg

[Comanche3Six]

Flyin Falcon................One of the finest!